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TopT said:
I guess our expectations differ; dont know what you mean as Vilardi, has he proven anything...he was drafted 11th, now we have a top 5 pick.
Its also the same pace as Akil Thomas.
For me 1.24PPG is not good enough for a top 5 pick especially for a guy that should be dominating juniors with size and speed
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Cozens has great character too. 6'3.5" `185 now and will be 6'4" 200. His dads a judge and moms an attorney. High achieving family and yes, that can mean something. He's been Ast Captain on Team Canada and led Lethbridge in scoring at 8 pts in the playoffs.
He's much stronger than Thomas and will always be. Thomas was said to lack strength and 2-way play last year - in which he's improving on.
Cozens is a much better and well rounded player, at 18 than Thomas was at 18.
 
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so anyway, no more thread derailing;I think most of us agree on the first 4 picks

Kakko Hughes
Turcotte
Byram

Lets hope it does not come to 5 :D
 
I think Turcotte, Byram, Dach and Cozens are pretty much equal, it's a matter of preference. If you like the size and you want a player who is gonna be a Center, it's Dach, the issue with Cozens is some think he may wind up a wing. Turcotte probably has the most complete game, but he lacks a bit in size that you'd like from a top center. Then, of course, Byram if you want a defenseman.
 
I hope We can trade up, using the Leafs' pick , to reach a good prospect. I've seen some Krebs videos. He seems a really interesting player.
 
TopT said:
Who projected Vilardi as 1C ? wasnt me, maybe some guys here on the forum.
Yeah Thomas was a second round, it just shows you that 1.2 are not that great numbers for a top 5 pick.

4 guys in this draft have clearly better numbers than Cozens and that its the russian guy that is hard to compare; so how are my expectations not realistic, wanting one of this guys over Cozens

I ll even go further; please find me the last guy this big that had around 1.2PPG in CHL draft year and became a good NHLer; I have problem finding them; most of them are disappointments, the last one being Logan Brown
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- Most draft picks don't make it to the NHL.
- How many guys Cozens' size ACTUALLY score 1.2 points/game in their draft year?

You are purely looking at numbers and stat watching, which is not a fair or logical way to evaluate or compare. You are ignoring team composition, role, development, and overall skillset, which numbers don't see.

Mat Barzal? Bo Horvat (actually less than a point/game his draft year)? Gabriel Landeskog? Mark Scheifele? These are all smaller players but didn't dominate the opposition in their draft year. They all scored <= 1.3 ppg in their draft year.
 
AzKing said:
I don’t think that the Kings will take Byram with their pick no matter if it’s 3, 4 or 5. I think they are 100% focused on a Forward.
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It depends if they feel like there are good defenseman that should be available with the TOR pick. I hope they're aggressive and get who they want.
 
Let s not all forget the reports that Blake and company really want Hughes Depending on the cost i would not be surprised to see Blake use Toronto pick as a part of some sorta package to move up to get him. I honestly shudder to think what kinda package it would be
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
Let s not all forget the reports that Blake and company really want Hughes Depending on the cost i would not be surprised to see Blake use Toronto pick as a part of some sorta package to move up to get him. I honestly shudder to think what kinda package it would be
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Grundy, Toronto 1st and our #2-5, whatever it ends up being, for the 1st overall?(Not that I would do this)
 
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KingCanadain1976 said:
Let s not all forget the reports that Blake and company really want Hughes Depending on the cost i would not be surprised to see Blake use Toronto pick as a part of some sorta package to move up to get him. I honestly shudder to think what kinda package it would be
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That would be the dumbest thing they could do if they packaged 2 first rounders to move up from their pick if it’s not #1. That’s the kind of thing that gets you fired.

First round picks are valued more than ever right now. The fact that so many teams didn’t want to trade them at the deadline shows that. The Kings essentially have 3 with their 2nd pick being so high. It’s a potentially massive harvest that they can’t afford to pass up.

If they want to move a guy like Toffoli and the Toronto pick then that could be interesting. Maybe they could move AMart and get another 1st rounder as well.

I do think that the Kings will be trying to deal players for picks and/or prospects at the Draft.
 
King'sPawn said:
- Most draft picks don't make it to the NHL.
- How many guys Cozens' size ACTUALLY score 1.2 points/game in their draft year?

You are purely looking at numbers and stat watching, which is not a fair or logical way to evaluate or compare. You are ignoring team composition, role, development, and overall skillset, which numbers don't see.

Mat Barzal? Bo Horvat (actually less than a point/game his draft year)? Gabriel Landeskog? Mark Scheifele? These are all smaller players but didn't dominate the opposition in their draft year. They all scored <= 1.3 ppg in their draft year.
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thats my point; in junior you should be able to dominate with size and strenght much more than in NHL; I would draft a guy at 6′1″ before a guy at 6′4″ both with 1,2 PPG if we were looking just at size and potential 1st line spot; game has changed.

Logan Brown is one. Pavel Zacha is another ( he had lower PPG) but I heard the same thing as for Cozens; big can skate, easy transition to the NHL.

Well, I am not a pro scout so all I can do is evaluate stats and read the scouting reports.
 
AzKing said:
I’m assuming that you are kidding. That would be such an extreme overpay that Blake would be vilified in every NHL media outlet.
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It's an overpay if we secure pick 2 but if we have 3-5 it's not bad at all. If you believe in a guy being a likely superstar then you should consider trading a guy who could be a very good and two who would assumedly have a chance at being role players.
 
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AzKing said:
I don’t think that the Kings will take Byram with their pick no matter if it’s 3, 4 or 5. I think they are 100% focused on a Forward.
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I think you're right. The Kings put out an article today looking at the Top 5 NHL prospects ahead of the draft lottery and they listed them as:

1) Hughes
2) Kakko
3) Podkolzin
4) Dach
5) Cozens

Not sure this is hockey ops exact top 5, but if the organization puts out an article with only forwards listed in the top 5, it seems they are most likely targeting one of them.
 
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Hoping for Hughes/Kakko/Turcotte with our first pick, Robertson,Harley, or Caufield with the Toronto pick, and if he’s still available, Vlasic with the 33rd pick...
 
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