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Just signed an AHL deal with the Toronto Marlies. Needs to work on his skating but, kid can snipe from the few games I saw him play against Hamilton.
2019 Draft Discussion
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Just signed an AHL deal with the Toronto Marlies. Needs to work on his skating but, kid can snipe from the few games I saw him play against Hamilton.
No Name The Nameless
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Judging from that clip I really like his poise, passing ability, willingness to defend. I like his willingness to shoot or pass. Quick shot. His slap shot looks neither heavy nor accurate.
Raccoon Jesus
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The Arizona Cardinals May Have Stumbled Into a Revolutionary Idea
Interesting premise. A bit different because of the positions in the NFL, but the 'volume' idea is sound to a degree.
Interesting premise. A bit different because of the positions in the NFL, but the 'volume' idea is sound to a degree.
TopT
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For a sure top player I would like to see close to 2PPG, Krebs is a wildcard cause of the bad team he plays on.
Getzlaf was drafted 19th cause of his lack of production, Point was drafted in the third round, both of them exceeded expectations. Sure Cozens and Dach can become 1C if they exceed expectations but based on their numbers in junior I wouldnt bet on it. I believe there is an analysis that predicts points in NHL based on junior.
You want another RNH or Nolan Patrick with our pick ? If you have a week draft you chose best you can.
We have a defender in the same league that puts up similar points than Dach or Cozens.
To summarize, for me 1.24 PPG in junior are not good enough numbers to be a projected 1C in the NHL without exceeding expectations
Just for example, Akil Thomas had 1.19PPG in his draft year and we all know when he was drafted
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King'sPawn
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It's an interesting article. There are different ways to dissect it and apply it to hockey.
I think, ultimately, it is just a rehash of the already existing strategy: draft the best (most valuable) player, regardless if it meets a need or not.
Another consideration is the immediacy in which drafted NFL players play.
I think in this vein, the best position to draft by volume would be defense. Goaltenders don't carry the same value and they take longest to develop. There is a higher quantity of forwards, so it's harder to manipulate the market on them (plus, at most, they play 20 minutes/game).
It's a lot to digest.
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So you want the 3rd-5th overall pick to be John Tavares to feel they are not exceeding expectations of becoming a #1 C?
Again, these are unrealistic expectations.
There are fewer players than you think who put up those numbers during their draft year in juniors. Off the top of my head, I would say Tavares, Kane, Crosby, Marner, and McDavid approached or exceeded 2 points/game during their draft year in juniors. Only one of those was NOT the first overall pick.
TopT
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I want our 3-5 pick have a realistic chance to be a first line player, that is why I dont want Dach or Cozens. In my opinion Turcotte, Byram and Podkolzin have that chance without exceeding expectations. Not sure about Krebs
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The thing that always gets thrown out in discussions is how a player will keep developing. Trying to project that a guy will or will not be in 3-5 years is hard and the scouts get it wrong all the time. You can only take the raw skills along with size and the mental makeup to try and figure it out. The mental makeup is what gets overlooked a lot. The top 10 is pretty deep. It will matter more if a kid is willing to put in the work and if a team develops him well than if one kid has a .30 PPG average more in Juniors than another kid.
Both Dach and Cozens will need to put in the work and how hard a kid works and how he adapts to the NHL matters more to me since both of them have the tools. I think often times people spend more time talking about what a kid won't be than what he could be.
Both Dach and Cozens will need to put in the work and how hard a kid works and how he adapts to the NHL matters more to me since both of them have the tools. I think often times people spend more time talking about what a kid won't be than what he could be.
TopT
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Sure I agree but how many times have we heard " oh he is a big buy, has all the tools for NHL but for some reason is not producing in junior". I am getting quite scared of this kind of reports. I dont know, its just my opinion that there are better prospects in 3-5 spot
DoktorJeep
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Having won cups as a franchise recently, we don’t have the urgency to immediately draft generational players to give us a shot at something we’ve never had. I’m just fine with a competitive roster who is a solid second round team and isn’t scrapping for a wild card spot.
So getting players that project as #2 C and D is a reasonable goal for this draft based on needs and picks we own. For a C, coming in at 18/19 yo, you want 19 minutes a game, 75+ games and 45 pts. Could Cozens hit that number? Maybe, if you think guys like Kotkaniemi, B Tkachuk, Elias P. And maybe Mittelstadt are comparable.
For a defenseman it’s a lot harder to expect them to play a bunch of minutes and put up 35+ as a rookie. But I would hope the Kings are looking for those types of projections with their picks.
So getting players that project as #2 C and D is a reasonable goal for this draft based on needs and picks we own. For a C, coming in at 18/19 yo, you want 19 minutes a game, 75+ games and 45 pts. Could Cozens hit that number? Maybe, if you think guys like Kotkaniemi, B Tkachuk, Elias P. And maybe Mittelstadt are comparable.
For a defenseman it’s a lot harder to expect them to play a bunch of minutes and put up 35+ as a rookie. But I would hope the Kings are looking for those types of projections with their picks.
I am actually more curious as to what they will do with their 2nd and 3rd early picks because we will get a really good player with our first one and it could potentially be great with some things aligning.
If they are in the early 20's do they go for one of the Dmen that could be there or take another Forward if a guy like Caufield is around? I think they will take a Dman with one of their first 3 picks. It will probably depend on who is sitting there as BPA with the 2nd pick.
If they are in the early 20's do they go for one of the Dmen that could be there or take another Forward if a guy like Caufield is around? I think they will take a Dman with one of their first 3 picks. It will probably depend on who is sitting there as BPA with the 2nd pick.
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The Kings have totally nailed the last 4 years in Rd 2:
2015 Cernak
2016 Clague
2017 Anderson-Dolan
2018 Thomas
So, I have a feeling they will land 2 gems at apx 24 and 33. They know this is a critical draft.
If you have guys like Caufield, McMichael or Suzuki available at the 2nd first round pick or Heinola, Honka, Broberg, York, Haley as examples would you take the Dman or the Forward?
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I'm not sure...BPA is the way to go. Any pick beyond the #1 pick will need 2+ years to get to NHL. Harley and Broberg will be gone before the Kings TOR pick. Harley was voted #1 offensive defenseman in his league and getting ranked higher on lists. York is rising some too. Any of those could end up being King picks. Who knows?
Yeah, the only way the NHL would be similar is if they drafted from the AHL every year. The NFL is unique in that when you get drafted, you either make the cut or you're done. There's no development league. College is the development league.
Frolov 6'3
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Call me confused as well.
84 points in 68 GP is good. That is the same pace as Gabe Vilardi.
Were you expecting over 100 points ?
TopT
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I guess our expectations differ; dont know what you mean as Vilardi, has he proven anything...he was drafted 11th, now we have a top 5 pick.
Its also the same pace as Akil Thomas.
For me 1.24PPG is not good enough for a top 5 pick especially for a guy that should be dominating juniors with size and speed
Frolov 6'3
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Suddenly you dont see Vilardi anymore as potential 1st line center because he was picked 11th ? C’mon dude. You know what I mean. His pace wasnt more than 85 points either.
Akil Thomas was a 2nd round pick.
Our expectations do not differ. Like some have said already. Your expectations are not realistic.
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Worth noting that the CHL, BCHL, USNTDP and other leagues are not apples-to-apples.
That's why just reading box scores is a bad idea.
That's why just reading box scores is a bad idea.
TopT
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Who projected Vilardi as 1C ? wasnt me, maybe some guys here on the forum.
Yeah Thomas was a second round, it just shows you that 1.2 are not that great numbers for a top 5 pick.
4 guys in this draft have clearly better numbers than Cozens and that its the russian guy that is hard to compare; so how are my expectations not realistic, wanting one of this guys over Cozens
I ll even go further; please find me the last guy this big that had around 1.2PPG in CHL draft year and became a good NHLer; I have problem finding them; most of them are disappointments, the last one being Logan Brown
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TopT
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true, that is why we compare them to players that played in those leagues in previous years
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Frolov 6'3
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That is strange.
Here you said Vilardi is a gem. That he would win the Calder in 2019 & that you thought he would go around 3rd overall in last years draft.
Prospect Info: - Kings Prospects in the CHL/College
Calder Finalists 2019
C Gabriel Vilardi - Kingston Frontenacs, OHL (2017, 11th, LAK)
Now he suddenly isnt 1st line material anymore.
TopT
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he he; come on man, he is (was) a gem; the rest of it you know what homers do on main boards
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