AV’s here for another 1 1/2 to 2 season tops. You can’t keep calling out players by name to media. The team will quit on him. Fletcher is likely hear for a long long time.
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2019/20 Roster Thread XXXVIII
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FlyerNutter
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Lol. For Christmas I’ll buy you a pair of nipple clamps to further torture yourself with.
Striiker
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I'd be shocked if AV isn't here much longer than that. The fact that the team will carry him to playoff series wins and Fletcher is equally as stupid will be enough to save him.
There's a lot of people who think AV deserves credit for the teams "success" this year and I'm sure Fletcher and Scott are included in that group.
FlyerNutter
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Meh if you want to get really fun with conspiracies.
Look no further than the head of the snake. Essentially nothing more than a likely bobblehead now, Holmgren was allowed to ride this bitch into the ditch at the end of his tenure. Oversee the Hakstol era as president. Then help hire our next leadership in the genius that is Fletcher after the truly remarkable job he did with Minnesota for years.
He’s lucky he’s kind of been hiding in his role because if he was in the spotlight as much as Shanahan he would have had his meddling incompetent hands cut off.
Happy Monday haha.
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I consider myself to be much more of an optimist than a pessimist in life. But, I'd be lying I said I wasn't if concerned about this management and what their going to do in the next few years.
Fletcher has said a few things throughout his tenure that I have perceived as positives. He's referenced, at least to some degree the use of 'advanced stats' to inform him and the coaching staff. He kept the scouting department together, which has been pretty good for a while now. He doesn't seem to hold onto sunken costs (Hartman, as an example).
However, he's also provided some real head scratching moments. Weird buy-outs, paying a bit too much in contract negotiations, paying too much in trades, signing guys like Stewart, trading for Thompson and Grant.
Fletcher has inherited a top 10-15 on-paper roster, and even if he doesn't do anything this year, it's going to be better through player development and getting healthy.
I very much worry that the moves he's going to make are going to hurt this team. So far, he hasn't shown, to me anyway, any area of above average general managing. I'm not excited about his future tenure with the club. I hope he can prove me wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
Until they can prove they can make the playoffs in back to back years, I wouldn’t count on it. If this team falls flat next year, they will lose all the new found fan interest. That’s what determines coaching longevity for the Flyers now: money.
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I hope that's true (about AV, anyway), and I can actually see that as a possibility.
It's been pretty clear that Fletcher is attempting to develop a mentally tougher hockey club. He brought in Hayes, Niskanen, Braun, and Stewart - all known for their hockey culture. He brought in AV, a guy known for structure (I don't mean his hockey structure), they brought in a group of seasoned assistant coaches.
It could be that Fletcher just wanted to develop a tougher hockey team, and saw these players and this coaching staff as the foundation. Maybe he sees it a short-term thing. In a vacuum that makes some sense...
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But it’s factually untrue. Patrick was not on ltir longer than on the ice. He traded Schenn and signed jvr the next off season. Not the same. Jvr looked to be more the Simmonds replacement
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That's exactly the problem. Fletcher says the right things and then he goes out and makes mistake after mistake after mistake that completely contradict everything his statements suggested he understood.
Even if he looks at advanced stats once in a while, he's proven he doesn't care at all about them when it comes to roster building, which defeats the whole purpose. If he did this roster would look wildly different than what we just saw. Nobody who cares at all about statistics adds guys like Stewart, Thompson, Grant, Braun, or leaves Hagg on the roster.
I'm terrified of him doing anything this offseason. He's proven he can't be trusted and will just make the team worse.
While I'm as pessimistic as humanly possible when it comes to the staff, I have tons of faith in the majority of this roster. They carried these idiots to the playoffs this year and I think they'll do it again.
They just need AV to back to his horrible regular season coaching, instead of his borderline-suspicious playoff coaching, and Fletcher needs to stop giving him all these terrible players to overuse.
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AV isn't going anywhere for another 2 seasons at minimum - dude was just a finalist for the Jack Adams. You're nuts if you think he should be fired after 1 season here.
He messed up badly in the playoffs, but they've invested a lot in him and they're going to give him a fair shot in this org.
He messed up badly in the playoffs, but they've invested a lot in him and they're going to give him a fair shot in this org.
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The only way that it remotely makes any sense is that, he believe this team needed 'structure' or a stronger mentality (see my post above)...
As I said earlier, I'm an optimist, so I'm hoping that the case...But I know how unlikely that is.
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Really hate the Twitter. It’s only ever partial quotes. For hot takes. And adjustments if too much backlash
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Fletcher also faced a donut, as we saw with injuries, most of the young forward prospects were a year away, and the veteran defensemen he inherited along with a bunch of young defensemen were MacDonald and Gudas, who he replaced with Braun and Niskanen.
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My point was, if Hextall had known Patrick's health would be an issue going forward, he probably wouldn't have signed JVR because there wouldn't have been a top 6 center for JVR to play with.
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How anyone can have faith in this team's management is beyond me.
I edited it because I meant to say another 1 1/2 to 2 seasons which would pretty much follow the pattern for this team. Make the playoffs, miss the playoffs and then come out flat the next season to get the coach fired.AV to be fired before the expansion draft. You heard it "hear" first.
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Reddit is no better. Someone is saying Grant should be re-signed for the 4th line center spot because he's "reliable defensively and good on the PK"
Grant is neither of that
Striiker
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I don't see any reason to believe that was a problem that needed to be fixed, but even if we assume that was true and that's why Fletcher did it, it'd still be 100% indefensible because you don't do that by adding people who can't play hockey and make you worse on the ice. Actual playing ability is always more important than intangibles.
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Glad I got the first word in. Someone be sure to bump it if he re-signs.
Speaking of bumping, someone sure was drinking the Kool-Aid. Embarrassing actually.
Adtar02
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The post I quoted said the opposite
And Hextall wanted to sign a center. Not jvr. Jvr seemed like the consultation prize FA signing. It made no sense.
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