2019/20 Roster Thread XXX - AKA the Ghost Thread

[wankstifier]

This team would be all sorts of dangerous with Patrick, Lindblom, and Frost on the roster and optimal usage of Gostibehere. Combo of horrible luck and management.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Did you bang your head ?

You think Myers has played well recently? I don’t. I hold my breath when he’s out there because I don’t know what he’s going to do. He’s crazily inconsistent. Capable of good plays but mixes in a lot of bad.

 

[wankstifier]

Can someone wrangle up the advanced stats on our d-men? Braun is only only minus on the team other than Ghost.

No way we sit Myers for Ghost, purely from an eye-test anyways.

Hagg blows donkey dick. Braun has been solid

 

[wankstifier]

You think Myers has played well recently? I don’t. I hold my breath when he’s out there because I don’t know what he’s going to do. He’s crazily inconsistent. Capable of good plays but mixes in a lot of bad.

Like others have said, he needs to be auditioned for a bigger role.

Sure, Myers is risky. I saw a few instances of mistakes last night: a bad pinch that led to a near breakaway, a poor breakout pass (I think?), maybe something else. However, Myers can recover quickly with his skating and reach. I'd like to see the team put the upside to the test with more minutes. He's a better fit for the Flyers moving forward than Hagg, so he shouldn't be getting Hagg icetime. He's not going to learn on the bench...

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Can someone wrangle up the advanced stats on our d-men? Braun is only only minus on the team other than Ghost.

No way we sit Myers for Ghost, purely from an eye-test anyways.

What advanced stats do you want?

xGF%
Niskanen 53.65
Provorov 52.83
Braun 51.22
Sanheim 50.66
Myers 48.82
Ghost 46.18
Hagg 44.65

HDCF%
Provorov 54.81
Niskanen 54.58
Braun 51.49
Sanheim 49.69
Myers 47.59
Hagg 46.84
Ghost 44.39

CF%
Braun 52.41
Provorov 52.40
Sanheim 52.37
Niskanen 52.05
Ghost 51.82
Myers 50.82
Hagg 45.57

For whatever it’s worth.

 

[BiggE]

Hagg is bad. If you cannot see this, call an optometrist

 

[TB87]

Hagg is bad. If you cannot see this, call an optometrist

The majority of us: “This Defenseman is performing poorly.”
GhostsBeer: “He’s playing the best hockey of his career.”


This is his thing. Being contrary just to be contrary. An odd thing to do but he absolutely loves it...so yeah.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What advanced stats do you want?

xGF%
Niskanen 53.65
Provorov 52.83
Braun 51.22
Sanheim 50.66
Myers 48.82
Ghost 46.18
Hagg 44.65

HDCF%
Provorov 54.81
Niskanen 54.58
Braun 51.49
Sanheim 49.69
Myers 47.59
Hagg 46.84
Ghost 44.39

CF%
Braun 52.41
Provorov 52.40
Sanheim 52.37
Niskanen 52.05
Ghost 51.82
Myers 50.82
Hagg 45.57

For whatever it’s worth.

THese aren't great for your "Hagg over Myers" wishes.

Or your heavy implications that Hagg is better than Ghost.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

THese aren't great for your "Hagg over Myers" wishes.

Or your heavy implications that Hagg is better than Ghost.

You should read what I actually write instead of projecting what you want me to be saying into it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You should read what I actually write instead of projecting what you want me to be saying into it.

Oh we've all read it and seen your heavy insinuations. I've asked you directly to clarify your point and you've refused the opportunity. Don't hold me responsible for the things you choose to say and do.

If you're trying to communicate anything else besides "Hagg is better than Ghost" (or really, better than any dman on this roster or half of LHV) than you should do so, and stop being ambiguous about whether you believe that or not.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Hagg can both be horrendous and have had a couple of games above his usual standard recently. Everyone has stretches of respectability. The issue is that he can't sustain that because it's come in ways that no Skater can possibly maintain.

When we have to hold up a game here and there as proof, it speaks volumes. There's no need to do that if you have a bigger picture point to make.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Just a reminder that the PK actually isn't improved this year. It improved when it became more aggressive after Hak was fired.

81.1% right now
82.2% last year post-Hak.

I assume it's just Hayes' flashy PK scoring/puck holding that is sticking out in peoples minds and giving the illusion of improvement.

Regardless, the point is that the PK isn't a problem, so that's nice. It's everywhere else that needs to see changes.

I was about to fight about this, but it’s really close. NHL.com has a net pk stat which includes impact of short handed goals to that value. During Gordon’s time, they had a 83% rate for 19th in the league; this year, they are at 84.2% for 16th. I think when you combine both stats, it bears out they are a more aggressive pk, which leads to more chances going the other way but can open things up in zone.


The terrifying things to consider are when it’s compared to hakstols era. During his last season, they had a net pk of 76.5 for 27th.

But wait!! There’s more!!!

during his entire tenure, they had a net pk of 79.7 which was good for 31st. Of course people complaining about it the whole time he was here were wrong and the coach was right.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Hagg can both be horrendous and have had a couple of games above his usual standard recently. Everyone has stretches of respectability. The issue is that he can't sustain that because it's come in ways that no Skater can possibly maintain.

When we have to hold up a game here and there as proof, it speaks volumes. There's no need to do that if you have a bigger picture point to make.

The wonders of low expectations...

 

[Tripod]

You think Myers has played well recently? I don’t. I hold my breath when he’s out there because I don’t know what he’s going to do. He’s crazily inconsistent. Capable of good plays but mixes in a lot of bad.

You don't believe proof when it's shown to you anyways if it goes against what you "think".

Myers last 6 games NOT PLAYING WELL ACCORDING TO YOU:

66.67 CF%
43.24%
64.29%
65.38%
56.67%
53.13%

Hagg in thost SAME last 6 games:

64%
42.11%
55.56%
37.14%
20%
39.13%

So Myers has been better statistically every single game and only lost 1 possession game....Hagg lost 4. Hell, Hagg has only won 2 out of his last 12 games possession wise. He has been the luckiest player it seems the last 15 games to only be on the ice for 1 goal against.

But you know all this, but never will admit you are wrong. Impartial indeed.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Oh we've all read it and seen your heavy insinuations. I've asked you directly to clarify your point and you've refused the opportunity. Don't hold me responsible for the things you choose to say and do.

If you're trying to communicate anything else besides "Hagg is better than Ghost" (or really, better than any dman on this roster or half of LHV) than you should do so, and stop being ambiguous about whether you believe that or not.

It clearly doesn’t help for me to repeat “Ghost is better than Hagg” & “Hagg stinks” for the thousandth time because you’re one of those people who ignore what people actually say & instead tell them what they think.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Would not at all be surprised to see Myers come out for Ghost. Myers is not playing well. He’s an adventure.

He’s a yute who needs the opportunity to continue to grow.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It clearly doesn’t help for me to repeat “Ghost is better than Hagg” & “Hagg stinks” for the thousandth time because you’re one of those people who ignore what people actually say & instead tell them what they think.

Then you make cryptic posts using cherrypicked stats that run contrary to that statement, so yeah, there's a reason it's confusing.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

You don't believe proof when it's shown to you anyways if it goes against what you "think".

Myers last 6 games NOT PLAYING WELL ACCORDING TO YOU:

66.67 CF%
43.24%
64.29%
65.38%
56.67%
53.13%

Hagg in thost SAME last 6 games:

64%
42.11%
55.56%
37.14%
20%
39.13%

So Myers has been better statistically every single game and only lost 1 possession game....Hagg lost 4. Hell, Hagg has only won 2 out of his last 12 games possession wise. He has been the luckiest player it seems the last 15 games to only be on the ice for 1 goal against.

But you know all this, but never will admit you are wrong. Impartial indeed.

Got it. You think Corsi is a definitive, unassailable player rating system.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Then you make cryptic posts using cherrypicked stats that run contrary to that statement, so yeah, there's a reason it's confusing.

If you think that’s “cryptic” I’d hate to see you following traffic signs. *Plows thru intersection*

 

[Tripod]

Got it. You think Corsi is a definitive, unassailable player rating system.

So you are saying those stats are wrong or don't mean anything and Myers is playing poorly....and also saying Hagg is playing well, correct?

 

[Beef Invictus]

If you think that’s “cryptic” I’d hate to see you following traffic signs.

What else are we supposed to conclude when people are criticizing Hagg and you hop in with single stats trying to show Hagg is better than Ghost?



As for Myers vs Hagg, it is far more important for this team to develop Myers through his struggles and get him playing time to develop instead of finding out for the umpteenth time what happens when Hagg's luck suddenly matches his level of play.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The majority of us: “This Defenseman is performing poorly.”
GhostsBeer: “He’s playing the best hockey of his career.”


This is his thing. Being contrary just to be contrary. An odd thing to do but he absolutely loves it...so yeah.

You don’t think Hagg right now is playing the best hockey of his NHL career?

 

[dragonoffrost]

You don’t think Hagg right now is playing the best hockey of his NHL career?

Playing his best hockey doesn't mean shit if he's still the 7th best guy on the roster....

 

[Beef Invictus]

I see the same old Hagg. Routinely either completely passive while the other team works around him with impunity, or wildly chasing around out of position while the rest of the team scrambles to figure out where to be. Making incomprehensible offensive and NZ decisions that hang partners and goalies out to dry.

The team and his goalies have bailed him out. That's not a situation likely to continue indefinitely, as we've seen multiple times now. Let's not forget the start to this season and last when he was riding luck benders while playing individually awfully and it was proclaimed that he is now a Good Defenseman, only for reality to set in. Reality will set in again. His results are not a result of the processes he's following. Eventually they will be.

 

[TB87]

NHL Player Ratings Explained - Corsica Hockey


- The rating captures all contributions made by skaters – offensive, defensive, even strength or special teams! All player ratings are updated daily to reflect the latest information.


This is an interesting rating system for skaters IMO.


Hagg=108th ranked LHD (114 total LHD in this dataset)
Myers=38th ranked RHD (102 RHD in dataset)