2019/20 Roster Thread XXX - AKA the Ghost Thread

[Starat327]

The No. 1 approach is to chuck turds — excuse me, “funnel the pucks” — for screens and rebounds. On the PP. In the years of our Lord, 2019-2020. That was the preseason game plan. We know most of this from watching, but it’s nice to have incompetence confirmed at the source, with a not so subtle whiff of galaxy brain pride. D to the o to the ooooomed.

"If you get pucks to the net you never know what might happen."

Therrien is literally the single cell organism that came before the dinosaurs.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

We're on a 99 point pace after losing Patrick and Lindblom, and Hart struggling.
I'm sure a Real HC would have us on a 110 point pace with a team that had 86 points last season.

And still on the playoff bubble.

yes or no, would a more efficient and effective power play make us more likely to be in the playoffs?

 

[Starat327]

And still on the playoff bubble.

yes or no, would a more efficient and effective power play make us more likely to be in the playoffs?

Well you see, if you take the inverse tangent of the angle from which Giroux used to shoot.....

 

[Chinatown88]

Yesterday seemed kind of tame so I skipped a day. But here is your daily dose of animal gif.

 

[Deadpool8812]

The No. 1 approach is to chuck turds — excuse me, “funnel the pucks” — for screens and rebounds. On the PP. In the years of our Lord, 2019-2020. That was the preseason game plan. We know most of this from watching, but it’s nice to have incompetence confirmed at the source, with a not so subtle whiff of galaxy brain pride. D to the o to the ooooomed.

Literally the dumbest thing I have ever read regarding a PP approach. The fact that they are still trying to do this and how bad it's working out, says a lot about this coaching staff

 

[Starat327]

Yesterday seemed kind of tame so I skipped a day. But here is your daily dose of animal gif.

MOAR

 

[Domino666]

Watch the Flyers get into the playoffs and all of a sudden the PP goes back to normal, that would be master level trolling, maybe or MT worked out his brain cramp

 

[Starat327]

Literally the dumbest thing I have ever read regarding a PP approach. The fact that they are still trying to do this and how bad it's working out, says a lot about this coaching staff

Oh, great. Another guy who thinks he's smarter than an actual hockey coach. Like AVs track record lends itself to him being capable of making mistakes. Pfft.


/s

 

[BiggE]

And still on the playoff bubble.

yes or no, would a more efficient and effective power play make us more likely to be in the playoffs?

Here is what Dead and his ilk don’t get. AV can be a good coach overall yet still make the major mistake of putting his imbecile friend Michel in charge of the powerplay. Sure, it’s great to be on a 99 point pace, but they’re still on the bubble.

If they had someone competent running the pp, perhaps they’d be on a 104-106 point pace and wouldn’t have to play every remaining game on the schedule like it’s a playoff game just to get in.

 

[Striiker]

Literally any mistake the coaches make is fine. It doesn’t matter at all.

One PP isn’t enough to get you a goal.
One goal isn't enough to decide a game.
One win isn’t enough to decide who makes the playoffs.
And making the playoffs isn’t enough to decide if you have a chance to win a Cup or not.

Don’t forget everyone, #NothingMatters. Appeal to authority, always.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Here is what Dead and his ilk don’t get. AV can be a good coach overall yet still make the major mistake of putting his imbecile friend Michel in charge of the powerplay. Sure, it’s great to be on a 99 point pace, but they’re still on the bubble.

If they had someone competent running the pp, perhaps they’d be on a 104-106 point pace and wouldn’t have to play every remaining game on the schedule like it’s a playoff game just to get in.

Even on that pace we'd still be in the rat race for 3 in the metro/WC spots. The East if f***ed up it has 7 of the top 10 teams in the league. Pittsburgh is on a 110 point pace. Which is probably where you need to be comfortable right now. A 5 game win or losing streak could make or break a team right now. The Flyers are 5-0-1 in their last 6 and still really haven't moved. That should tell you how messed up things are.

 

[BiggE]

Even on that pace we'd still be in the rat race for 3 in the metro/WC spots. The East if ****ed up it has 7 of the top 10 teams in the league. Pittsburgh is on a 110 point pace. Which is probably where you need to be comfortable right now. A 5 game win or losing streak could make or break a team right now. The Flyers are 5-0-1 in their last 6 and still really haven't moved. That should tell you how messed up things are.

Yup, with the beauty of 3 point games, I could see a team in the East missing the playoffs with 100 points. Boston, Tampa, Washington and Pittsburgh are locks but I can see Philly, NYI, Carolina, CBJ, Florida and Toronto all finishing in the 99-102 range. It’s going to be infuriating when 2 to 5 teams in the West make the playoffs with 94-96 points while 2 in the East are out with better records.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Here is what Dead and his ilk don’t get. AV can be a good coach overall yet still make the major mistake of putting his imbecile friend Michel in charge of the powerplay. Sure, it’s great to be on a 99 point pace, but they’re still on the bubble.

If they had someone competent running the pp, perhaps they’d be on a 104-106 point pace and wouldn’t have to play every remaining game on the schedule like it’s a playoff game just to get in.

Finally someone that gets it. I hope this doesn’t get glossed over.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I wonder if that hot start means Provy is locked into PP1 for the next decade. I've never seen a player, so unaccomplished in one area of the game, get so much rope. Even if you include this season, he's still only ahead of Duncan Keith in PP scoring/60 over the last 3 seasons (400+ min.)

I know having said that he'll have 3 points on Thursday, but it's been pretty rough for a while now and combined with the first 3 years of his career...If you're looking to gain an advantage in a race this close, you might want to think about making a change there.

 

[Appleyard]

I wonder if that hot start means Provy is locked into PP1 for the next decade. I've never seen a player, so unaccomplished in one area of the game, get so much rope. Even if you include this season, he's still only ahead of Duncan Keith in PP scoring/60 over the last 3 seasons (400+ min.)

I know having said that he'll have 3 points on Thursday, but it's been pretty rough for a while now and combined with the first 3 years of his career...If you're looking to gain an advantage in a race this close, you might want to think about making a change there.

I would rather play him an extra 2 minutes 5v5 a game and 1 min PK than PP really... he is such a good 5v5 player, especially in terms of getting up ice. Just more value there.

Maybe he can develop into a kind of Kimmo role on the PP with a more dynamic partner, a la Kimmo-Pronger, and just facilitate. But he just seems so much more unsure when he has time to play a puck. When he has no time he generally makes good plays!

 

[Tripod]

I wonder if that hot start means Provy is locked into PP1 for the next decade. I've never seen a player, so unaccomplished in one area of the game, get so much rope. Even if you include this season, he's still only ahead of Duncan Keith in PP scoring/60 over the last 3 seasons (400+ min.)

I know having said that he'll have 3 points on Thursday, but it's been pretty rough for a while now and combined with the first 3 years of his career...If you're looking to gain an advantage in a race this close, you might want to think about making a change there.

Sanheim has looked very good on the PP in his time....and it seems they want Nisky on the PP.

Ghost might have lost ALL his PP time....how dumb is that??????

 

[Striiker]

@Appleyard

Saw you say this on twitter during the game yesterday:



That could definitely explain (or at least be part of) the lack of goals for Giroux lately.

As I've mentioned and discussed before, he definitely doesn't look "slow" and he's definitely not playing "bad", but he didn't seem to look quite the same as he had previously. That line with Giroux and Hayes was a disaster for many reasons and now this trio with JVR and TK have been good, but Giroux hasn't been getting as many scoring chances himself... and I think what you said could be the explanation.

Maybe the fact that he's at C and with two non-ideal defensive players has him intentionally in a more passive/safe role. Different from how he's played on the wing the previous two years. Not that he hasn't been good or getting chances himself, he definitely has, but just that his focus has slightly shifted.

 

[Curufinwe]

He can take some shifts on the wing to make up for it.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Ghost might have lost ALL his PP time....how dumb is that??????

Doubt it. Think they'd scratch him before it got to that. Sanheim will come off.

 

[Tripod]

He can take some shifts on the wing to make up for it.

Giroux....or Ghost?

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Well you see, if you take the inverse tangent of the angle from which Giroux used to shoot.....

Something something angle of the dangle.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Giroux....or Ghost?

BOTH!

Ghost can be our Pysyk

 

[prototypical4thliner]

@Appleyard

Saw you say this on twitter during the game yesterday:



That could definitely explain (or at least be part of) the lack of goals for Giroux lately.

As I've mentioned and discussed before, he definitely doesn't look "slow" and he's definitely not playing "bad", but he didn't seem to look quite the same as he had previously. That line with Giroux and Hayes was a disaster for many reasons and now this trio with JVR and TK have been good, but Giroux hasn't been getting as many scoring chances himself... and I think what you said could be the explanation.

Maybe the fact that he's at C and with two non-ideal defensive players has him intentionally in a more passive/safe role. Different from how he's played on the wing the previous two years. Not that he hasn't been good or getting chances himself, he definitely has, but just that his focus has slightly shifted.

Seriously small sample size but g was very noticeable in the d zone and back checking. I felt he was “late” leaving the zone multiple times.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Here is what Dead and his ilk don’t get. AV can be a good coach overall yet still make the major mistake of putting his imbecile friend Michel in charge of the powerplay. Sure, it’s great to be on a 99 point pace, but they’re still on the bubble.

If they had someone competent running the pp, perhaps they’d be on a 104-106 point pace and wouldn’t have to play every remaining game on the schedule like it’s a playoff game just to get in.

It all counts. It’s even more prominent when there is a lot of good going on and we have this egregious err in judgement that is very possibly going to cost us a playoff berth. Overall 5 on 5 has been MUCH improved, pk has been a revelation compared to previous. But we are loosing valuable points due to the power play. The argument that, well ES and PK have improved does NOT validate having an inept power play, especially when they are completely different facets of the game. Just reverting the setup to the original umbrella would be effective, without a single change in personnel.


It’s a somewhat bold suggestion, but with how effective coots has been at even strength and how our secondary pk guys have been, id almost consider giving coots a reprieve of pk duties. Max out the first unit with g—ghost—voracek with coots and tk patrolling the slot. Give them 90 seconds to do their work before sending the second group out.

 

[Striiker]

Just a reminder that the PK actually isn't improved this year. It improved when it became more aggressive after Hak was fired.

81.1% right now
82.2% last year post-Hak.

I assume it's just Hayes' flashy PK scoring/puck holding that is sticking out in peoples minds and giving the illusion of improvement.

Regardless, the point is that the PK isn't a problem, so that's nice. It's everywhere else that needs to see changes.