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2019/20 Roster Thread XXX - AKA the Ghost Thread

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WeHaveBeenFletched said:
I dont agree with Frost being on the 2nd line. You say you dont want Giroux with Hayes but you want to put JVR with him? JVR needs the puck on his stick. He is a shoot first player.
There are probably no easy answers to this if we also want to keep Farabee with Couts
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"I do not think that means what you think it means"
 
Beef Invictus said:
Imagine watching Voracek and thinking he's half-assing it.
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I was also just kidding around, but yeah, the people saying he’s lazy or doesn’t care deserve to get mocked by him. :laugh:

Critiquing a players ability and critiquing their effort are very different things, I think.
 
TB87 said:
Bobby Two Hits has had a horseshoe up his ass since the new year:


5v5 Score & Venue Adjusted Stats:
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Also, The Bobby Two Hits-Braun pairing has been an abomination:
5v5 Score & Venue Adjusted Stats (12/31/19-Present):

*Limited Sample for Hagg-Braun (5GP)....but what a failure of spectacular proportions it has been in said sample*
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I’m pretty sure Ted has me blocked but I just want to say how much I enjoy these posts dumping on Bobby Two Hits :laugh:

They nourish my soul like anti-Hayes posts nourish @Captain Dave Poulin
 
Just a reminder on JVR who doesn't "fit" with anyone.

He is 4th on the team in ES points....more than Hayes and Giroux
He is T2nd in ES goals....trailing only TK

Farabee Couts Jake
G Frost TK
JVR Hayes NAK/Pit
Laughton Raffl Pit/NAK

I think that is the best lineup without acquiring anyone and without Patrick coming back.
 
Tripod said:
Just a reminder on JVR who doesn't "fit" with anyone.

He is 4th on the team in ES points....more than Hayes and Giroux
He is T2nd in ES goals....trailing only TK

Farabee Couts Jake
G Frost TK
JVR Hayes NAK/Pit
Laughton Raffl Pit/NAK

I think that is the best lineup without acquiring anyone and without Patrick coming back.
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JVR is another player, in addition to Voracek and Giroux, who repeatedly gets accused of being slow or bad as soon as he has a scoring slump. Then as soon as they starts scoring again, suddenly they're fine again.

At some point you'd think people would realize the pattern and notice that they're imagining it.

I mean, we've literally heard this about Jake and Giroux every single year for who knows how long. Scoring slump = "they look slow/injured". Like clockwork.
 
Tripod said:
Just a reminder on JVR who doesn't "fit" with anyone.

He is 4th on the team in ES points....more than Hayes and Giroux
He is T2nd in ES goals....trailing only TK

Farabee Couts Jake
G Frost TK
JVR Hayes NAK/Pit
Laughton Raffl Pit/NAK

I think that is the best lineup without acquiring anyone and without Patrick coming back.
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Being 4th on our team isn’t a Ringing endorsement.

We may not have a 25 goal scorer.

I always liked JVR and defended the signing ,but f*** me the defending of some of these guys. Anything less than 25 goals is a massive disappointment.
 
One reason to use advanced metrics is goal scoring is stochastic, players like JVR will have 10 game streaks where he goes without a goal, then put up 7 or 8 goals the next ten games, as long as he's generating scoring chances you just have to be patient.

If you bring up Frost, put him between JVR and TK, they've been carrying Giroux, they can carry Frost - they seem to have great chemistry.
 
bennysflyers16 said:
Being 4th on our team isn’t a Ringing endorsement.

We may not have a 25 goal scorer.

I always liked JVR and defended the signing ,but **** me the defending of some of these guys. Anything less than 25 goals is a massive disappointment.
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Still ignoring context.

This is why your complaints are so irrational.
 
deadhead said:
One reason to use advanced metrics is goal scoring is stochastic, players like JVR will have 10 game streaks where he goes without a goal, then put up 7 or 8 goals the next ten games, as long as he's generating scoring chances you just have to be patient.

If you bring up Frost, put him between JVR and TK, they've been carrying Giroux, they can carry Frost - they seem to have great chemistry.
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ZERO chance I put JVR with Frost.
 
bennysflyers16 said:
Being 4th on our team isn’t a Ringing endorsement.

We may not have a 25 goal scorer.

I always liked JVR and defended the signing ,but **** me the defending of some of these guys. Anything less than 25 goals is a massive disappointment.
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He is still top 30 in goals at ES, and overall goal for LWers.
And top 35 in ES points and overall points for LWers.

And we all know, he "would" have been 2nd or 3rd on our team in LW depth...behind G and battling Lindblom.

What JVR is...is CRAZY streaky:

First 7 games: 0 points
Next 9 games: 9 points
Next 8 games: 0 points
Next 13 games: 14 points
Next 8 games: 0 points
Last 7 games: 7 points

Not sure I have even seen anyone be that back and forth. If he has a few games in a row without points, certainly seems like it is going to continue for a bit!
 
Tripod said:
He is still top 30 in goals at ES, and overall goal for LWers.
And top 35 in ES points and overall points for LWers.

And we all know, he "would" have been 2nd or 3rd on our team in LW depth...behind G and battling Lindblom.

What JVR is...is CRAZY streaky:

First 7 games: 0 points
Next 9 games: 9 points
Next 8 games: 0 points
Next 13 games: 14 points
Next 8 games: 0 points
Last 7 games: 7 points

Not sure I have even seen anyone be that back and forth. If he has a few games in a row without points, certainly seems like it is going to continue for a bit!
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Do his struggles happen more on the road ?
Do you have that info, seems like it does
 
bennysflyers16 said:
Do his struggles happen more on the road ?
Do you have that info, seems like it does
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Yes...but we are also a much worse team on the road vs home so it's just not him. It's a team issue.

26 home games: 19 points, +7
26 road games: 11 points, -6

But look at this:

28 team wins: JVR 26 points
17 team loses: JVR 4 points

Some other interesting splits:

Vs Central 7 pts in 8 games
Vs Atl 11 pts in 15 games
Vs Metro 9 pts in 15 games
Vs Pacific 3 points in 15 games...woof
 
Here are the splits for Hayes.

26 home games: 19 points, +4
26 road games: 12 points, -15

He is getting way more abused on the road.
 
So JVR is blamed for Gs scoring slump.

AV was criticized for putting that line together 5 games ago

Now ppl who criticize JVR are being called out as the ones being irrational

You can't make this s*** up:laugh:
 
For any honest people wondering...

To start, nobody ever said "JVR is to blame for Giroux's lack of points".
It's true that he's missed chances that Giroux set up for him and that means Giroux doesn't get an assist, but that's not the same thing as being blamed. Every player whiffs on chances and many players have whiffed on chances set up by Giroux this year. That's why he only has 2 primary assists at 5v5 this year... which is clearly a fluke since he's obviously our best passer. It's just bad luck for him, not really the other guys faults or a representation of their overall play.

JVR's shooting 12.09% at 5v5. That's not bad at all and it's pretty close to recent his career norm, but even that means that 87.91% of the time his shots don't go in. It just so happens that many of the chances that Giroux has set up for have fallen inside of that 87.91%, instead of the 12.09% that ends with a goal and a point for Giroux. That doesn't mean that JVR is bad or that he's playing bad this season overall, it just means that Giroux has been unfortunate... aka "unlucky".

As @Tripod pointed out, JVR is doing a good job of scoring at ES and it's the PP that's hurting his goal totals. We all know the problem with the PP, which is out of the players hands, so people blaming JVR for not hitting their arbitrary benchmark of 25 goals, as if that means he's playing poorly, are not being reasonable in their complaints... hence "irrational".

So, as we can all see, there's no contradiction here.
 
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