2019/20 Roster Thread XXX - AKA the Ghost Thread

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Being a Hextall fan boi is

... a meme that I was referencing and nothing else.

 

[Starat327]

St Louis was starving for wins and also called up Kyrou, but sent him down. They kept the more mature player.

We've pretty much did the same w Frost and Farabee.

So pointing out the Thomas situation as good development and ours as bad decision making seems like shiny new toy syndrome

Clearly our coaches letting Farabee, Nak and Myers work thru the NHL shows they have some handle also on development.

It's hardly brand new toy. Kyrou wasnt really capable of floating between a 4th line role and 3rd line w role as necessary. Frost is likely capable of doing that(thought I wont speak to it definitively because it hasn't actually been tried much, if at all). Thomas was the more flexible player in a system that was flush with forward depth. Being the better player didnt hurt, but I'd be willing to wager that if Steen and Thomas(ie if they lost two top 9 players) went down, Kyrou wouldve come up, and not some random collection of inferior first year players (Bunny).

Labeling it as shiny new toy is an extremely lazy narrative.

 

[TheKingPin]

Im definitely of the mind that we should not add a big ticket pending UFA.

A more minor deal could work out. Remember when Pitt traded Perron for Hagelin then won the Cup? Thats the type of low-cost gamble you take.

Bruins adding coyle too. That’s the highest level I’d go. Not that I want to pay that price. No way can you get pageau after already having Hayes.

 

[landsbergfan]

A guy has to be physically and mentally ready for the game. I don't see Frost as a guy who looked like the NHL was too fast for him, quite the opposite actually. He has time and space on the Phantoms that he simply won't have in the NHL. Could he be more ready physically? Sure, but so can pretty much any guy under 21-22 years old. He is smart enough to work around it, much the same way as Farabee has had to do.

The biggest knock on Frost has always been his pace, and how he was going to struggle with it at the NHL level. Call me crazy, but I really don't see how playing at an NHL pace isn't the best way to adjust to that.

 

[Striiker]

Seriously. It's like if I had a conversation with you about your boss in front of your boss. Then used it as proof that all bosses must know what their doing because of the things you said about yours.

Did people not watch the Ottawa uber video? I bet I could find a thousand quotes from those guys that surprise surprise have a very positive tone.

It just goes to show how desperate these people are to come up with excuses to defend the staff.

They reach for anything... even if it makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[flyersnorth]

It's not an exact science but since Hart is capable of playing at the NHL level is it fair to say having him play in a less challenging league when he should be learning against stronger competition would have been the wrong decision?

Would it have helped him if he was still in the AHL at this point likely putting up not stellar numbers because the team in front of him is hot garbage?

This is why lots of people say over baking can be detrimental.

Like I said, it's not an exact science. Hart got a shot due to circumstances and he freaking made it count. He's also a bit different than others in that he's been labeled a franchise saviour for a long time now - lofty expectations for sure, but he's a special kind of human, and he was well-prepared for it. I love everything about him as a player and him as a person.

So yes, it was the right decision to bring him up, I'd say. But it's also not a decision that would have been made without the exigent circumstances we had last year.

Is there anything more iconic than this shot from last year?

Hart did more than just stop pucks. He elevated the entire team. His teammates were deadset on playing balls to the walls for him in his first few starts. He's that kind of guy.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Jankowski seems like perhaps the most likely backup option if they can’t find a deal for a bigger impact C.

Even though Calgary is a playoff team, he’s on the outs this season, not producing, & they may not even want to qualify him as an RFA this summer.

He’d be attainable for cheap, it wouldn’t be hard to find a way to fit his contract, & the Flyers could use his size in the bottom six.

Is he ideal or a major improvement? No, but as a fallback option he seems to fit.

 

[Tripod]

NAK....waived...then 8th callup and played well...PRAISE MGT

Yet a certain group of people were ripped when they said it wa stupid to risk losing him to waivers and that he should be the 13th forward to start the year.

I think there is a name for this...

 

[dragonoffrost]

Seriously. It's like if I had a conversation with you about your boss in front of your boss. Then used it as proof that all bosses must know what their doing because of the things you said about yours.

Did people not watch the Ottawa uber video? I bet I could find a thousand quotes from those guys that surprise surprise have a very positive tone.

So let's take the two teams that have been a total disaster for decades to prove a point that a team that is currently no where near those tire fires as an organization is doing things wrong. We should be better than that. This board goes to the extreme to make a statement to discredit any opposing viewpoint. Do we really need to be so hyperbolic?

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Bruins adding coyle too. That’s the highest level I’d go. Not that I want to pay that price. No way can you get pageau after already having Hayes.

Bruins also needed a long term fix at 3C since there was no long term solution in place. Especially since they know they need to push hard for a cup over the next like 3 years.

I don't want to throw assets at a 3C unless we are sure Patrick and Lindblom won't ever play again. Which I doubt they can be confident about until next season.

I would rather keep all the assets we have. And in the off season if those two are done forever then you target a current top 9 winger or center that can transition to wing and then pray Frost develops quickly.

Also that top 9 player could potentially be one of Laczynski or Allison. This isn't our year, with or without adding a rental 3C. I really believe that. But next year if Patrick is back, Frost improved and one of the college guys can help move the needle in the bottom 6 and Lindblom comes back by the end of next season we could do damage. The team is being line up to be a player next season, save the assets to fill needs this off season or next year.

 

[Starat327]

A guy has to be physically and mentally ready for the game. I don't see Frost as a guy who looked like the NHL was too fast for him, quite the opposite actually. He has time and space on the Phantoms that he simply won't have in the NHL. Could he be more ready physically? Sure, but so can pretty much any guy under 21-22 years old. He is smart enough to work around it, much the same way as Farabee has had to do.

The biggest knock on Frost has always been his pace, and how he was going to struggle with it at the NHL level. Call me crazy, but I really don't see how playing at an NHL pace isn't the best way to adjust to that.

You're crazy.

 

[Tripod]

Quick...trade for the guy with the stat line: 40 games, 2 goals, 1 assist, 3 points, -12

Our 4th line can't function without adding him!

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Like I said, it's not an exact science. Hart got a shot due to circumstances and he freaking made it count. He's also a bit different than others in that he's been labeled a franchise saviour for a long time now - lofty expectations for sure, but he's a special kind of human, and he was well-prepared for it. I love everything about him as a player and him as a person.

So yes, it was the right decision to bring him up, I'd say. But it's also not a decision that would have been made without the exigent circumstances we had last year.

Is there anything more iconic than this shot from last year?

Hart did more than just stop pucks. He elevated the entire team. His teammates were deadset on playing balls to the walls for him in his first few starts. He's that kind of guy.

This is my point. How many times in the past would the right decision been to bring a player up but they weren't. Had their hand not been forced they would have made the wrong decision but we never would have been able to prove it.

That's why point to cases of guys that stayed in the AHL longer and then succeeded when they were brought up proves nothing. Because it could have been a mistake the whole time.

 

[Illini Flyer]

Like I said, it's not an exact science. Hart got a shot due to circumstances and he freaking made it count. He's also a bit different than others in that he's been labeled a franchise saviour for a long time now - lofty expectations for sure, but he's a special kind of human, and he was well-prepared for it. I love everything about him as a player and him as a person.

So yes, it was the right decision to bring him up, I'd say. But it's also not a decision that would have been made without the exigent circumstances we had last year.

Is there anything more iconic than this shot from last year?

Hart did more than just stop pucks. He elevated the entire team. His teammates were deadset on playing balls to the walls for him in his first few starts. He's that kind of guy.

The face on #38 for the Preds is hilarious and I wish I was on my phone so I could zoom in on it and take a screenshot lol

 

[Striiker]

NAK....waived...then 8th callup and played well...PRAISE MGT

Yet a certain group of people were ripped when they said it wa stupid to risk losing him to waivers and that he should be the 13th forward to start the year.

I think there is a name for this...

Hypocrisy.

Or dishonesty?

Hard to tell these days.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

So let's take the two teams that have been a total disaster for decades to prove a point that a team that is currently no where near those tire fires as an organization is doing things wrong. We should be better than that. This board goes to the extreme to make a statement to discredit any opposing viewpoint. Do we really need to be so hyperbolic?

My apologies I have no other leaked videos of NHL players having honest conversations to point too.

But I assume you have a lifetime of experience in a workplace environment. It's pretty universal as a human being that you aren't totally honest about how you feel about your job or management with total strangers.

 

[Tripod]

oh...just to add more info to the convo...Jankowski possibly scratched for next game?

 

[tucson83]

The Edmonton Oilers, from 2010/11 through 2018/19, went under .500 & missed the playoffs in 8/9 seasons.

That’s despite fast-tracking tons of extremely young, highly touted prospects. Not sure what happened, since this board tends to assert that more innate skill & talent always = the “better” player; always = a “better” team; & always equals an increased chance to win.

We’ll just pretend the Oilers didn’t happen over a huge sample size & learn nothing from it. Or, most likely, deflect the blame onto the multiple different coaches, because that’s what fans do.

BTW, is Zherdev still around? Now that guy was incredibly skilled & talented, & a high pick. Surely he could increase the Flyers chances to win by slotting ahead of the less-talented Pitlick.

yup i agree, prospects loving fans dont get it, you dont play the young players for sake of it, you play them if they have talent like mcdavid or if there are injuries to the team or they can help the team's cap situation so they have the money to spend on talent whether it's trades or free agency.

the oilers are perfect example of why it's a failure, it's the fact the most the players they drafted were not talented like mcdavid, if they were talented like mcdavid, they wouldnt be tanking for 10 years, it's the fact that not every draft is going to have a crosby like star.

 

[Striiker]

My apologies I have no other leaked videos of NHL players having honest conversations to point too.

But I assume you have a lifetime of experience in a workplace environment. It's pretty universal as a human being that you aren't totally honest about how you feel about your job or management with total strangers.

Especially when everything you say will 100% get back to them and be heard by thousands of people. Not to mention the media is just dying to have some kind of controversy to write about.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Spending assets on getting a bubble team into the dance, which has no real realistic chance at winning the cup.

I want to see the playoff fun too, but what St Louis did last year is going to have these moron GM’s thinking stupid shit.

Assets for minor pieces that won’t push us to the brink of contention is a waste of time. Stand pat, and call up Frost.

Jankowski is a fart in a windstorm.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Also intriguing to me to keep bashing the Oilers, who yes have made a lot of mistakes - but let’s not pretend the Flyers have been the beacon of light in how to properly run an organization either.

The high horse is more like a very short mule.

 

[Striiker]

Yeah guys, if your prospect isn't McDavid don't call him up.

Smart.

 

[landsbergfan]

This is my point. How many times in the past would the right decision been to bring a player up but they weren't. Had their hand not been forced they would have made the wrong decision but we never would have been able to prove it.

That's why point to cases of guys that stayed in the AHL longer and then succeeded when they were brought up proves nothing. Because it could have been a mistake the whole time.

Ghost is the best example of this. Ghost happened to be NHL ready at the same time the team needed someone to run point on their power play. Flyers are development gods

 

[Ghosts Beer]

oh...just to add more info to the convo...Jankowski possibly scratched for next game?

Like I said: he’s on the outs in Calgary & you could get him for basically nothing. He’s a fallback option for C depth w/ size in case Patrick doesn’t return & you aren’t able to work out a trade for a better C.

Frankly, he’s more in the mold of a 3C than a grinding 4C.

 

[Striiker]

Imagine thinking that the Oilers failure to build a decent team is because they didn't give their young top forwards years of AHL time instead of how they never had decent depth, defense, or goaltending.

If only Hall, McDavid, RNH, Draisaitl, etc had been in the AHL...