2019/20 Roster Thread XXIX

[Ghosts Beer]

Frost has 4 points in his last 4 games.

Pointing out that a player they just called up has been hot lately doesn’t imply others haven’t also been hot.

But Rubtsov plays the same position as Raffl & his recent run probably explains why he got rewarded with a call-up over Andreoff or other 4th line wing options.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Pointing out that a player they just called up has been hot lately doesn’t imply others haven’t also been hot.

But Rubtsov plays the same position as Raffl & his recent run probably explains why he got rewarded with a call-up over Andreoff or other 4th line wing options.

We also know who and what Andreoff is at an NHL level. We don't really know for sure what Rubstov is. One of the things that has been quite nice about Fletcher is that for once we will be leaving a season with a much better idea of what a good chunk of our prospects may be NHL-wise for the first time in ages. This is what you have to do to find cheap bottom six talent instead of constantly bringing in declining players who cost too much. Maybe Rubstov will suck. Oh well. Better to find out, and better to take a chance at a guy putting it together and becoming an NHLer, than to find the latest Lehtorgo.


Also this gives us a chance to talk about Rubbing one out if he scores. There are possibilities here.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Galchenyuk is available. Anyone thinks Fletcher would go after him?

No way. His knee is an issue & I don’t think you want to bring him into a young locker room.

 

[tictactoe]

I hope Rubtsov does not play center against Pens. I could be wrong but normally Crosby or Malkin preys on 4th line center like that.. If AV messes up line matching Rubtsov will find himself in a world of shit.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

We also know who and what Andreoff is at an NHL level. We don't really know for sure what Rubstov is.


Also this gives us a chance to talk about Rubbing one out if he scores. There are possibilities here.

It also lets Rubtsov show his stuff at LW, which I think is his better position & certainly a less demanding NHL position.

 

[wasup]

I hope Rubtsov does not play center against Pens. I could be wrong but normally Crosby or Malkin preys on 4th line center like that.. If AV messes up line matching Rubtsov will find himself in a world of ****.

Yup , if you are going to bring up Rubtsov , fine but the Pens are not the team to start him against .

 

[Tripod]

Pointing out that a player they just called up has been hot lately doesn’t imply others haven’t also been hot.

But Rubtsov plays the same position as Raffl & his recent run probably explains why he got rewarded with a call-up over Andreoff or other 4th line wing options.

And that's all good.

At least we have established that 4 points in 5 games int he AHL is hot....and 4 points in 9 games in the NHL is "not effective".

 

[bobbythebrain]

And that's all good.

At least we have established that 4 points in 5 games int he AHL is hot....and 4 points in 9 games in the NHL is "not effective".

Sure, if you actually think development is all about point production.

There's much more to being effective besides assists

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sure, if you actually think development is all about point production.

There's much more to being effective besides assists

He won't learn that under Gordon.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I want to see more of the Farabee - Bunnaman - Pitlick line, they've looked pretty decent the last couple games.
Bunnaman has picked up his skating (clearly faster than Vorobyev) and this group has potential as a solid 4th line.

It's not Bunnaman v Frost, Frost is top 9 or bust, Bunnaman is clearly slotted as a 4C.

You're damned right, you wonderful man.

Great post.

 

[baudib1]

Just spit balling here but I wonder if the Flyers and Wild would be interested in a swap of young defenseman. Maybe not during the season but in the off season.

Ghost for Dumba trade.

maybe the Flyers try to find a way to get Kirill Kaprisov in the deal? Just a thought. And of course the Fletcher connection.

If Fletcher was going to make a deal with the Wild, he should have done it in the offseason when his moron successor was still there. Of course, Fletcher isn't really concerned about getting value in trades, he wants to keep both sides happy in order to have continued good working relations with them so he can maintain mediocrity forever.

 

[bobbythebrain]

He won't learn that under Gordon.

Generally, when a player is sent down it's w/ some instruction.

Gordon's job now is more of as tab keeper.

It's painfully obvious that Haks legacy has left such a bitter pill that AV is being lumped into the same category, like he's NEVER developed a player before

 

[Beef Invictus]

Generally, when a player is sent down it's w/ some instruction.

Gordon's job now is more of as tab keeper.

It's painfully obvious that Haks legacy has left such a bitter pill that AV is being lumped into the same category, like he's NEVER developed a player before

Uh. no. The problem is Gordon, not AV. It doesn't matter what Frost was told to work on, playing in Gordon's "system" is detrimental.

 

[Tripod]

Sure, if you actually think development is all about point production.

There's much more to being effective besides assists

Actually, I don't think that.

But it goes both ways....certain people point out Frost having 4 points in 16 games as a reason to demote him. Right? Or saying he isn't "dominating" the AHL so he's not ready.

Frosts last 5 games, he was on the ice for goals against in 1 game....the SJ game where he got demoted afterwards. And in that SJ game, he was still a 52.17% CF. So he wasn't dominated or anything.

And on the season, he has a 51.85% CF so he is winning the possession game when on the ice. Meanwhile, we just promoted Rubstov with these numbers:

3 games
outchanced 7-19
26.92% CF.....for reference, Stewart is 33.68%

Rubstov SHOULD be playing big minutes in the AHL for his development. SInce being drafted in 2016, he has played 144 games.

Frost was drafted a year later, and has played 203 games.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Actually, I don't think that.

But it goes both ways....certain people point out Frost having 4 points in 16 games as a reason to demote him. Right? Or saying he isn't "dominating" the AHL so he's not ready.

Frosts last 5 games, he was on the ice for goals against in 1 game....the SJ game where he got demoted afterwards. And in that SJ game, he was still a 52.17% CF. So he wasn't dominated or anything.

And on the season, he has a 51.85% CF so he is winning the possession game when on the ice. Meanwhile, we just promoted Rubstov with these numbers:

3 games
outchanced 7-19
26.92% CF.....for reference, Stewart is 33.68%

Rubstov SHOULD be playing big minutes in the AHL for his development. SInce being drafted in 2016, he has played 144 games.

Frost was drafted a year later, and has played 203 games.

The average fan has the luxury of sitting at home typing what is best for the player, and citing some stats to make a point.

Coaches and GMs have alot more responsibility, info and criteria to go off.

I heard what Fletch said about that situation and Frosts next call up, and funny and ironically enough, it's the complete opposite of what is being said here.

So who's right?
The coaches are stupid crowd probably think they are 100% correct

 

[Beef Invictus]

The average fan has the luxury of sitting at home typing what is best for the player, and citing some stats to make a point.

Coaches and GMs have alot more responsibility, info and criteria to go off.

I heard what Fletch said about that situation and Frosts next call up, and funny and ironically enough, it's the complete opposite of what is being said here.

So who's right?
The coaches are stupid crowd probably think they are 100% correct

The "Coaches are stupid" crowd have been routinely correct over your esteemed authorities for several years now.

 

[bobbythebrain]

The "Coaches are stupid" crowd have been routinely correct over your esteemed authorities for several years now.

Remember when Berube was stupid?

Literally every fanbase boasts a coaches are stupid crowd

 

[Beef Invictus]

Remember when Berube was stupid?

Literally every fanbase boasts a coaches are stupid crowd

That's because Berube was stupid. Remember how he played Mason while he was still recovering from a concussion and also sincerely believed Vinny was a better player than Couturier? Those were pretty stupid things, weren't they?

If you're going to make appeals to authority, don't expect it to go over well. We are only days removed from being finally and totally confirmed as being correct about Stewart when the geniuses were wrong (particularly using the reasoning of those devoted to the infallibility of coaches), and NAK shortly before that. I even remember when the Stewart move was defended using the exact same reasoning you're using here, that these people have some secret arcane knowledge plebs like us could never grasp. As well as NAK, as well as TK, as well as Sanheim, as well as Ghost, as well as Couturier, and on and on. Yeah, that didn't work out those times either.

 

[bobbythebrain]

The "Coaches are stupid" crowd have been routinely correct over your esteemed authorities for several years now.

Better yet having someone type tooth and nail on how best to develop a player, despite probably never even developing anything more than a role of film, if that
Yet claiming that the current coaches who have arguably made key decisions that developed hundreds of players, are being stupid in this case.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Better yet having someone type tooth and nail on how best to develop a player, despite probably never even developing anything more than a role of film, if that
Yet claiming that the current coaches who have arguably made key decisions that developed hundreds of players, are being stupid in this case.

Pointing out that NHL development is best done in something like NHL conditions instead of Gordon's pond hockey isn't rocket science.

 

[Striiker]

It's nice being able to sit back and watch, instead of participate.

 

[tucson83]

No way. His knee is an issue & I don’t think you want to bring him into a young locker room.

i think it's more of question is this team sellers or buyers? i mean is their anyone on the block that can move the niddle for this team? if not, i would be sellers because of this team's inconsistency and we are just a wild card team.

 

[FLYguy3911]

They won't sell.

 

[Tripod]

It's nice being able to sit back and watch, instead of participate.

Yeah I am tapping out. He clearly has the opinion that coaches/mgt can do no wrong.

Odd since this we just saw Stewart on this roster for 3 months.

Oh...and waived NAK and kept Stewart.

I guess they know best and are always right.

 

[Prongo]

With all the talk about getting back to the playoffs and such in the off season and signing Hayes, there is probably 0% they sell at the deadline.