2019/20 Roster Thread XXIX

[FlyerNutter]

Well, sadly, they are too stupid then. Cuz they fired the voice of reason...Hextall

The biggest light bulb should be that they sacrifised the devolpment of Hart all in order to win a few hockey games.
I doubt another GM, coach or goalie coach would have ever recommded or championed that move last year.

Follow that up with the aggressive summer and team of coaches we hired....I'd say that's your answer right there.

Triggered 10/10.

Hextall wasn’t a voice of reason. He quickly showed himself to be an incompetent moron that tied his noose right along side his idiot coach. Performed some half ass pathetic retool where the only real aggressive move to bring in higher end talent was trading up for Konecny. Otherwise he sat on his ass and walked up to the podium in his spot. He’s rightfully unemployed. f*** him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Robert Hagg has as many ES points as Ghost (& twice the ES assists) in 9 fewer games played.

That’s not a big loss to the lineup. The D corps hasn’t looked any worse without him, & arguably better.

Fascinating how you elect to ignore the importance of competent defense and transition play and focus solely on the current weak part of his game, which exists because he's passing to 4th liners.

You're heavily biased assessment would prove to be wrong, just as your assessments of Hakstol, Gordon, and Stewart have been wrong. You have to choose to ignore far too many factors to maintain your points.

 

[renberg]

I simply don’t think trading Ghost is anywhere near the big loss many are making it out to be.

He’s an 18 minute 3rd pairing, PP2, non-PK defender with 12 points in 40 games.

Trading him for Getzlaf or even Carter would be an immediate substantial team improvement.

Moving him out for Getzlaf or Carter wouldn't be the worst move but I'd like to see Fletcher be more creative and aim for a a younger productive player like Ehlers or such. In a year and a half the Flyers will only get to protect three defensemen in the Seattle draft. Provorov, Sanheim and Myers are the three. Ghost is a goner under these circumstances. Anytime between now and then, if he can be moved for helpful return, it has to happen.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Triggered 10/10.

Hextall wasn’t a voice of reason. He quickly showed himself to be an incompetent moron that tied his noose right along side his idiot coach. Performed some half ass pathetic retool where the only real aggressive move to bring in higher end talent was trading up for Konecny. Otherwise he sat on his ass and walked up to the podium in his spot. He’s rightfully unemployed. **** him.

And then he set up absolutely idiotic imaginary and unimportant hurdles for talent to overcome.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I really don’t think Hart playing in the NHL last year or this year is an issue. You can maybe argue relying on him as much as they have wasn’t the most calculated of bets (with the addition of Elliott) but he should be fine as we move along. Last season when they called him up obviously was a lost cause in terms of team success.

Goaltending by nature can be pretty erratic in general regardless of age.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I really don’t think Hart playing in the NHL last year or this year is an issue. You can maybe argue relying on him as much as they have wasn’t the most of calculated of bets (with the addition of Elliott) but he should be fine as we move along.

Looking back with the joys of hindsight I think last year was the perfect time to get him in. No expectations for the big club that clearly had thrown in the towel. It’s partly why I think he did so well.

It worked out. I’d like to look to someone other than Elliot next year. Khudobin or Halak although the market is pretty bare, and those guys might not even hit FA.

 

[backburner]

Hart has a lot of confidence right?

 

[TCTC]

It’s not that simple though. Even taking away my distaste for Getzlaf and Carter at this point in their careers, it’s replacing Ghost with Hagg full time. At least that’s the logical assumption.

Friedman should be the one playing instead of Hagg but having chased Braun they overloaded on R handed Dmen who are really only comfortable playing that side.

Trading for Braun was the right decision, imo. We needed more experience on defense. I think this also is a good chance to ease Friedman into the lineup. He gets a few games here and there and when Braun leaves he can be the one to take over.
Just throwing Friedman into the lineup and make him a full time NHL defenseman would've been a mistake.

 

[Curufinwe]

Not sure how Hart's development was sacrificed. If he had struggled in the NHL he would have gone back down again. But he didn't struggle, he thrived, and got plenty of game time.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Hextall was hardly the voice of reason.

He was 100% the voice of reason for patience and timing. He was fired for it infact.

And that's the current subject no...patience?

 

[Curufinwe]

Hextall was fired cause the team was 26th and it was his 5th year in charge.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Moving him out for Getzlaf or Carter wouldn't be the worst move but I'd like to see Fletcher be more creative and aim for a a younger productive player like Ehlers or such. In a year and a half the Flyers will only get to protect three defensemen in the Seattle draft. Provorov, Sanheim and Myers are the three. Ghost is a goner under these circumstances. Anytime between now and then, if he can be moved for helpful return, it has to happen.

Ehlers would be great, but I don’t see any way Winnipeg would trade him for Ghost.

Roslovic, maybe you could get. But he’s playing mostly wing, & Winnipeg already has two small PP defensemen in Morrissey & Pionk. So I don’t think Ghost is the type of D they’re looking for.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Hart has a lot of confidence right?

Not at home he doesn't. And he was either really good or really bad. Not awhole lot of inbetween

I just recently listened to a coach attribute that to maturity and being called up too early. I'd say i concur

 

[Striiker]

We need someone in the middle of Hextall and Fletcher.

Not a stubborn fool who is completely cemented into his long term vision and also not a panicking shortsighted fool who takes action for the sake of taking action.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Hextall was fired cause the team was 26th and it was his 5th year in charge.

Cuz he refused to spend asset to buy wins. Unlike Fletch

That = patiance. We also know know it was patience b/c he flat out said so........many times

 

[bobbythebrain]

We need someone in the middle of Hextall and Fletcher.

Not a stubborn fool who is completely cemented into his long term vision and also not a panicking shortsighted fool who takes action for the sake of taking action.

Or perhaps fire Holmgren...who very well could be steering the ship.

 

[Tripod]

and GM's never lie...

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Fascinating how you elect to ignore the importance of competent defense and transition play and focus solely on the current weak part of his game, which exists because he's passing to 4th liners.

You're heavily biased assessment would prove to be wrong, just as your assessments of Hakstol, Gordon, and Stewart have been wrong. You have to choose to ignore far too many factors to maintain your points.

There’s no bias in pointing out that 5 on 5:

Hagg 425.55 minutes, 1 goal, 6 assists, 7 points, TOI% QoT 26.61

Ghost 582.35 minutes, 2 goals, 3 assist, 5 points, TOI% QoT 26.77

 

[Beef Invictus]

He was 100% the voice of reason for patience and timing. He was fired for it infact.

And that's the current subject no...patience?

There's a difference between patience and the unreasonable, interminable inaction Hextall exhibited.

 

[Beef Invictus]

There’s no bias in pointing out that 5 on 5:

Hagg 425.55 minutes, 1 goal, 6 assists, 7 points, TOI% QoT 26.61

Ghost 582.35 minutes, 2 goals, 3 assist, 5 points, TOI% QoT 26.77

It becomes biased when you're choosing to ignore the good aspects of his game to build a one-sided and poor narrative.


What are you trying to say here? That Hagg is better than Ghost? His equal? Let's clarify exactly what you're trying to do.

 

[TCTC]

The only difference between Hextall's Flyers and the Oilers was that Hextall was better at drafting and worse at tanking.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Or perhaps fire Holmgren...who very well could be steering the ship.

They essentially did already when he stepped down from his president role. It’s Fletcher & Dave Scott at the top now.

 

[Rebels57]

Cuz he refused to spend asset to buy wins. Unlike Fletch

That = patiance. We also know know it was patience b/c he flat out said so........many times

He also wouldnt fire the worst coach in team history. Lets not look back on Hextalls tenure with rose-tinted glasses and ignore the issues. He had to go before we could move forward.

As for Fletcher, he's barely done anything yet. As far as major stuff goes, he's made a good trade (Niskanen), a mediocre trade (Braun), a polarizing signing that has so far improved the team (Hayes), nailed his first draft, and did a good job on all of the RFA extensions. He also called up Farabee and Frost quickly. Too soon to tell how his tenure will go though. It's not like he is Chiarelli or early Benning with his head clearly up his ass.

 

[Striiker]

Ghost has been unlucky. Hagg has been lucky.

Not difficult to figure out. Next?

 

[wasup]

I don’t agree with it, but to a degree I do get that desire to “force things”.

The empty seats are evident. The news of Patrick’s migraine issue was known before signing Hayes. Let’s not pretend he was a reliable player to stay healthy even before that came to light.

This year, is essentially what last year SHOULD have been. A step forward, and seeing some real growth in the young kids. Which imo has happened.

It’s unfortunate that they didn’t kick Hextall out on his ass sooner, when it became clear he was fully aligned with Hakstol- amongst other things like fully neglecting the goalie position.

They panicked after last year. I just hope they don’t do anything dumb.

Neglected the goalie position , What . He drafted one every year and fairly high as well . He wanted to draft and get one from within instead of searching the UFA market and causing us to over pay . You have a cap in the show and just thinking you can just go sign a top UFA is just going to cause you pain else where .

You can pile on Hexy for a few things for sure , Hak and micro managing etc ... but the goalie thing is a reach .