2019/20 Roster Thread XXIX
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Maybe we should trade Couturier for a 3C. We went on a 10 game winning streak without him so we obviously don't need him.
3C is the most important position in the sport, obviously, and it's not as if we already have Hayes there and Frost waiting to come back up. Better to trade a top pair quality defensemen on a great contract.
3C is the most important position in the sport, obviously, and it's not as if we already have Hayes there and Frost waiting to come back up. Better to trade a top pair quality defensemen on a great contract.
There have only been like 2 cup teams in the last 10 years to have a forward pace for over 90 points on the year.
Mean while those teams are littered with elite defenceman and high end D cores and goalies.
The "stacked forward groups have done better than stacked D groups" argument is one that collapses under the barest scrutiny.
We have our 3c in Frost so I wouldn't give up assets to get a 3c for half a season and until Frost is up I would leave Giroux at center. 4c is the weak spot in our lineup that could use an upgrade given the cost.
Which Pageau though? The 2019-20 version with excellent shooting luck and top line ice time or the guy he was the rest of his career?
I completely understand that you're operating in hypotheticals and I won't put the specificity into your mouth. Show me a Middle 6 Center that makes sense and I'm not against it, but I suspect our standards will be different for what constitutes a suitable Middle 6 Center. I would also need to know what the Defense is going forward. If it's status quo with Hagg staying in the lineup with everyone healthy, I'm not sure there's any reasonable option that makes sense.
I think it would be a serious mistake to go "all in" this season, Hart isn't ready to carry a team through the playoffs, so no improvement can make them a SC Contender until he reaches that point - unless you think Elliott can carry the team through 15-20 playoff games!
On the other hand, a low cost center who is an upgrade over Bunnaman/Vorobyev, and could let them bring Frost along slowly could make sense.
I don't see much point trading Ghost, you need to replace him with a LHD better than Hagg, and next year replace Braun as well.
Trading him before the ED makes a lot more sense.
On the other hand, a low cost center who is an upgrade over Bunnaman/Vorobyev, and could let them bring Frost along slowly could make sense.
I don't see much point trading Ghost, you need to replace him with a LHD better than Hagg, and next year replace Braun as well.
Trading him before the ED makes a lot more sense.
kudymen
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kudymen
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It is not even an argument, I just saw a quote stating this, ending with "imo". Literally no support in stats, evidence from the past or anything. It's just a splash just like many things mango spouted for example
I rather have drafted a guy who never made the NHL over playing Hagg 150+ games now. Participation is not a plus when the player is actively a drag on your team.
mja
Everything was beautiful, and nothing hurt
This is an incredibly bad way of looking at the thing. First of all, only 8 2013 2nd rounders HAVEN'T played an NHL game. 12 have played 100+ games.
Second, how many 2008 6th rounders made it to the NHL? How many have played 350+ games? Just 4, and one of them is Zac freaking Rinaldo.
Hagg, much like Rinaldo, doesn't belong in the league. The fact that coaches keep playing the two of them doesn't change that fundamental math. It just provides further grist for the mill in arguing against the supposed infallibility of old school hockey guys.
Hagg is not a drag on the team, because they don't have a better alternative.
Friedman is an option, but there's no evidence that he's better, or even as good, right now.
Hagg is simply a placeholder, as the team builds up depth, and has value as such, he's still better than the veterans in LHV.
They would have added one in the offseason then, as evidenced by everything else Fletcher did. Or added one now. Or sent out a cartoon walrus. All could help.
Then play Friedman?
I'd take Friedman over Hagg easily. Someone with a modicum of potential is better than a guaranteed negative.
Hagg is horrible. End of story. That's not magically changing. He's too dumb and unskilled to suddenly become a useful player.
Hagg is horrible. End of story. That's not magically changing. He's too dumb and unskilled to suddenly become a useful player.
Morin would've challenged Hagg for the #7 spot. If they had added another veteran defenseman in the off-season, they would've blocked Morin too.
FlyerNutter
In the forest, a man learns what it means to live
Friedman has quietly played quite well.
The time to give him a extended look was now when Ghost/Braun were out.
Him being a R handed shot is a bit of a challenge to fit in.
The time to give him a extended look was now when Ghost/Braun were out.
Him being a R handed shot is a bit of a challenge to fit in.
FlyerNutter
In the forest, a man learns what it means to live
Hot take:
I’m over Morin. Hard for me to keep interest in a dude that’s always injured.
Team should just move on. He’s way down on the depth chart. Deal him and let him maybe get a crack with another organization.
I’m over Morin. Hard for me to keep interest in a dude that’s always injured.
Team should just move on. He’s way down on the depth chart. Deal him and let him maybe get a crack with another organization.
I mean, after his injury this season he is done for in this organization. The time to get him playing time was years ago, but the organization decided that gifting playing time to Hagg was more important.
I agree with you here. Hopefully they can get a pick from a team and he can get some playing time in the NHL.
I wanted to quote it in a hope that people would read it again.
Quality of competition is statistically proven to be significantly less important than quality of teammates.
There’s simply no reason to deal him when his value is at its absolute lowest. He might or might not turn into something, but id rather take my chances on him than take a 6th for him.
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