I havent paid any attention to him or Carolina this year. I couldn't say. Can he play good defense as well?
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I havent paid any attention to him or Carolina this year. I couldn't say. Can he play good defense as well?
Problem is I doubt Ghost will ever approach 60 points again.
The assumption that a peak season is a "norm" is a stretch, players often have one peak year that's an anomaly, and it's looking like 2017-18 will be that for Ghost. Some of this may be that 2017-18 was a fluke, some may be that injuries have sapped some of his skills (his shot looks weaker).
A more reasonable upside is 40-50 points in a good year, 20-25 ES, and 25 or so on a good PP1 unit.
And as we've seen the past two seasons, the downside is well below that.
The assumption that a peak season is a "norm" is a stretch, players often have one peak year that's an anomaly, and it's looking like 2017-18 will be that for Ghost. Some of this may be that 2017-18 was a fluke, some may be that injuries have sapped some of his skills (his shot looks weaker).
A more reasonable upside is 40-50 points in a good year, 20-25 ES, and 25 or so on a good PP1 unit.
And as we've seen the past two seasons, the downside is well below that.
If you're going to pull out contract comparables for any player, aligning UFA vs RFA years bought out needs to be included or you're not making an apples to apples comparison.
I don't care about the Ghost thing. This is a general statement.
I would call that a good bet that to this point hasn't worked. How much separation there is between the two issues is tough to answer as an outsider on a guy with medical issues.
I don't care about the Ghost thing. This is a general statement.
I would call that a good bet that to this point hasn't worked. How much separation there is between the two issues is tough to answer as an outsider on a guy with medical issues.
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Sure. He did for TO for years(but was prone to timely brainfarts)
However, he's been plastered to the 3rd pair and 2nd pp unit in Car, and hasn't moved the needle much for them.
Now, if you're a Gardiner fan, you can cry usage all you want, but Car fans aren't to happy paying a 3rd liner 4mil atm
If he provides offense, and is good at defense, then yes he is on a good contract and those Carolina fans are wrong.
Having an all-around competent dman for 4 million dollars is great. It doesn't matter where he plays. Do you know how much guys like that pull down on the open market?
Working on a new list for the Top 10 thread: Best all time playoff performers (career) in Flyers history. This is a tough one, the first few spots were pretty easy but then it gets hard. Obviously, this list will likely end up heavy on players from the Bullies and Keenan eras due to their sustained success in the playoffs.
Should be up a little later today.
Should be up a little later today.
Just a reminder that the people who are severely underrating Ghost are the same people who defend Stewart and Hagg.
100% disagree. It's only a good contract if you are maximizing his talents. Playing him on a bottom pair role while leaving a bigger hole elsewhere is more important
This team would be better off allocating 5mil(quality player) in cap to fill the 3rd line C position going into the post season than allocating the cap towards Ghost as he's currently being used
Contract = great
Usage = horrible
And we know who is responsible for that.
Usage = horrible
And we know who is responsible for that.
Now you've opened a hole on defense. How is that better? We have a lot of inexperience back there. Removing a consistently solid defender is unwise.
It is not only a good contract if you are maximizing his talents. He's being paid in the 4 million dollar range, as a competent defenseman, instead of the 7 million dollar range; your logic would make sense in the latter case, but not in the former.
Apparently the solution isn't fixing his usage, it's making the defense more unstable in exchange for a less cap-efficient player.
Again, disagree. Teams that stack their defense don't usually do better than teams that stack their offense imo
The fun thing about having players on contracts like Ghost's is that the savings allow you to do both. That would make winning much easier.
Do you think teams with unstable defenses do very well? Do we as Flyers fans already forget the first part of the last decade?
Just a reminder that the people who are severely underrating Ghost are the same people who defend Stewart and Hagg.
i dont think that is necessarily true. Maybe a couple but to lump them together is wrong.
Hagg and Stewart suck. If you have issues with how he plays doesn’t mean people underrate him.
Admitting that usage is the problem is admitting that AV is screwing up, which is what they simply won't say.
This is exactly what we saw with Hakstol, except now there's a handful of new deadheads.
There's like 5 people I'm specifically talking about who are 100% guilty of this.
ok 5. I usually scroll right by certain posters posts anyway.
I don't think any NHL teams are reasonably sure if it's better to stack your money on Defensemen or Forwards. Forwards as a unit have more impact, but that's because there more of them on the ice. On a player by player basis, I doubt they're different enough to enter into the discussion because market inefficiencies and talent shortages are so much bigger factors that you probably never get that granular.
The league as a whole is assuredly worse at evaluating Defensemen than Forwards, which makes it even more complex of an issue to solve.
Personally, I'd be open to trading anyone that's not Couturier, but I need to know what's coming back. If you start from "I want to trade away X," you're usually going to end up on the wrong end. Shakeup trades are for the Chiarellis of the world.
The league as a whole is assuredly worse at evaluating Defensemen than Forwards, which makes it even more complex of an issue to solve.
Personally, I'd be open to trading anyone that's not Couturier, but I need to know what's coming back. If you start from "I want to trade away X," you're usually going to end up on the wrong end. Shakeup trades are for the Chiarellis of the world.
At this point, the Ghost talk should be banned. It's exhausting to go thru and there is nothing new that would make either "side" will budge on how they view things.
At this point, let's just wait and see if he is going to be ready to play Jan 31st.
At this point, let's just wait and see if he is going to be ready to play Jan 31st.
I just see the trend has worked out better for teams that stacked their offense over teams who stacked their D, especially the 3rd line C position
IMO, even if AV decided to maximize Ghost going forward, this team still doesn't perform as well if they traded him for a player like Pageau
Now before this gets completely and purposely misrepresented in saying I'm suggesting to trade Ghost for Pageau, I'm not, but I suspect it will
What I'm saying is currently the team has performed pretty well with Ghost on the bottom pair and even outta the line-up... so adding a quality/experienced 3rd line C would have more impact imo
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