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2019/20 Roster Thread XXIX

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I'm a ghost fan. I've spent almost as long wanting the flyers to have more than one puckmoving d as I have wanting a goalie. I still think he's an elite ppqb. The problem is it seems like av doesn't. Ghosts deal at current production isn't bad but we're not maximizing his value either. At this point I'm open to a hockey trade. I had brought up Larsson and pool party when it was possible he could play. Part of the challenge in moving ghost would be that most players making what he does would require a significant pick/prospect to interest me.

I'm self centered so the hagg comparables that interested me the most was mdz who did well here previously and played under av. I touted him as the cheap veteran 7 in the off-season. Wouldn't be a bad deadline acquisition
 
But his contract isn't a steal, and crazy as it seems, offensively minded players are paid for production. Bitch about usage all you want, he's playing against 3rd and 4th lines and not blowing the doors off. His ES offense has been below par for his ability.
 
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Ghosts Beer said:
Cap percentage at signing has zilch to do with my point. My point isn't about comparing contracts at the time they were signed. My point is about the here and now. And Ghost's current cap hit is in line with his production and usage the last two seasons and thus not a huge steal, and certainly not $3M under what it should be.
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Your "point" is an absolutely grotesque use of statistics and figures that indicates an irrational anti-Ghost agenda on par with Infowars' usual output.

Cap percentage at signing is absurdly important if you want to compare contracts. Ignoring it is like ignoring goal production while figuring out who should win the Richard.
 
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BrokenStix said:
But his contract isn't a steal, and crazy as it seems, offensively minded players are paid for production. ***** about usage all you want, he's playing against 3rd and 4th lines and not blowing the doors off. His ES offense has been below par for his ability.
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When Ghost was producing great offense: He SuCkS aT dEfEnSe

When Ghost isn't producing great offense, but is playing a good defensive game, anchoring otherwise unstable partners, and playing lights out in transition: He SuCkS aT oFfEnSe


When the focus of the narrative is ever-shifting to ensure the portrayal of a player is eternally and completely negative while ignoring the good, there's an irrational agenda at play. Flyers fanbase tradition. Insisting his contract isn't a steal shows either ignorance of Ghost, ignorance of leaguewide player value, or some combination of both. Whether it's a form of freely chosen ignorance is another matter.
 
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Whoever said the Phantoms don’t play the same system as the Flyers is crazy!

With the losses on Wednesday and Friday, the Phantoms dropped to an abysmal 4-15-0-3 on the road. At home, the team is 14-5-1-3.

They are identical teams :laugh:

Seriously though, that is a very odd similarity. WTF!?
 
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Beef Invictus said:
When Ghost was producing great offense: He SuCkS aT dEfEnSe

When Ghost isn't producing great offense, but is playing a good defensive game, anchoring otherwise unstable partners, and playing lights out in transition: He SuCkS aT oFfEnSe


When the focus of the narrative is ever-shifting to ensure the portrayal of a player is eternally and completely negative while ignoring the good, there's an irrational agenda at play. Flyers fanbase tradition. Insisting his contract isn't a steal shows either ignorance of Ghost, ignorance of leaguewide player value, or some combination of both. Whether it's a form of freely chosen ignorance is another matter.
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I'm sorry but you have clearly confused me with another poster. Solid strawman argument though.

I have never once stated Ghost is bad at defense. To claim ignorance because 4.5 mil for "solid defense" is steal worthy is laughable. He's not even playing against the opposition top lines.
 
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There’s a better chance of getting these people to blame the Easter Bunny than to admit that AVs misusing him and it’s hurting his scoring.

That’s why they’re intentionally ignoring context and pretending that usage/teammates don’t matter.
 
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flyersnorth said:
Whoever said the Phantoms don’t play the same system as the Flyers is crazy!

With the losses on Wednesday and Friday, the Phantoms dropped to an abysmal 4-15-0-3 on the road. At home, the team is 14-5-1-3.

They are identical teams :laugh:

Seriously though, that is a very odd similarity. WTF!?
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that 4th column triggers me. Its 4-15-3 on the road and 14-5-4 at home. The AHL has been doing it wrong ever since they introduced the shootout
 
BrokenStix said:
I'm sorry but you have clearly confused me with another poster. Solid strawman argument though.

I have never once stated Ghost is bad at defense. To claim ignorance because 4.5 mil for "solid defense" is steal worthy is laughable. He's not even playing against the opposition top lines.
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There's a game I like to play where people find a dman with similar ability and upside for the same price.

Why don't you try playing it? You'll find it very difficult unless you decide to be absurd about it.
 
Striiker said:
There’s a better chance of getting these people to blame the Easter Bunny than to admit that AVs misusing him and it’s hurting his scoring.

That’s why they’re intentionally ignoring context and pretending that usage/teammates don’t matter.
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Again with the these people thing. You have a problem with anyone that disagrees with you, so I find your opinion worthless with regards to the coach that is purposefully coaching us to lose....

FLYguy3911 said:
The average 3rd pair defenseman averages less than 15 5v5 points over 82 games.
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But he's not a 3rd pair defenseman. He's the best defenseman on the club that is just being badly treated.....
 
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Beef Invictus said:
When Ghost was producing great offense: He SuCkS aT dEfEnSe

When Ghost isn't producing great offense, but is playing a good defensive game, anchoring otherwise unstable partners, and playing lights out in transition: He SuCkS aT oFfEnSe


When the focus of the narrative is ever-shifting to ensure the portrayal of a player is eternally and completely negative while ignoring the good, there's an irrational agenda at play. Flyers fanbase tradition. Insisting his contract isn't a steal shows either ignorance of Ghost, ignorance of leaguewide player value, or some combination of both. Whether it's a form of freely chosen ignorance is another matter.
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So Jake Gardiner is a " steal" for Carolina also?
 
Friendly reminder:

Quality of Teammates has a significant impact on point production (or lack thereof).
 
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Braun has outperformed Ghost on every conceivable metric this year, points per 60, CF, xGF, etc.
So I guess he's a bargain?

What Ghost did two years ago is ancient history, he's shown no signs of ever being that player again. Some players peak early in their careers.

He's not a defensive liability, but his size makes him a liability in certain situations, like protecting a lead in the 3rd period when teams will aggressively forecheck and put bodies on bodies. This is why he gets more O-zone starts than the top 4 D-men.
He is our best PP QB right now (though I think Sanheim surpasses him in a couple years) and should be on PP1.
He is our 5th best ES defenseman because of the decline in his offensive skills and his physical limitations.

Ghost has a good contract, but it's not a great contract, he's not close to an elite defenseman. As a free agent he'd get $5-6M a year.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
There's a game I like to play where people find a dman with similar ability and upside for the same price.

Why don't you try playing it? You'll find it very difficult unless you decide to be absurd about it.
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Chalie McAvoy, Roman Josi, Travis Harmonic, Morgan Reilly, Zach Werenski...

Unless you are going to claim being within 400k isn't close enough?

The worst bit about this is I am a huge Ghost fan, I have his jersey which I proudly wore to Vegas and Prague. But the fanboy defensive mentality in here is insufferable.
 
BrokenStix said:
All of them??

Josi and Mcavoy hit 55+ points just last year on way deeper defensive teams than the flyers.
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Ah, so really just two of them.


So there we are. There are not many players on these kinds of deals. That's my whole point. If you have one of these players you keep them because they make building a team easier.

Do you agree that making it easier to build a team is a good thing?
 
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