Far be it for me to tell you where to post, im a standard schlub just like you
. I will say that i generally post my beers there, unless the topic in another thread warrants it.2019/20 Roster Thread XXIX
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Far be it for me to tell you where to post, im a standard schlub just like you
. I will say that i generally post my beers there, unless the topic in another thread warrants it.
AV's exact words were: "What I like about Jake is we came in here with some non-negotiables, as far as what you need to do when you don't have the puck, shooting lanes you need to get into, and Jake has been really easy to manage."
Doesn't sound like some recent epiphany. He's brought a defensive attentiveness all season. Not to be misconstrued as good defensively, but he's back rotating, expending more energy, trying. What happened early season was he wasn't producing offense. We don't have to get into the sterling PP which has in no way affected face value numbers, but he was certainly lagging in production. He's been on a tear the last couple months. That's what has changed.
I can't think of Vigneault once criticizing the effort or all-around games of Voracek or JVR. It was pretty clearly, "You need to start scoring." But yes.....narratives.
Narrative, when I've complemented him on his two way play recently? Last night when I said "we can't bash him because he scored" it was a joke. I wasn't going to trash him for one bad play that got covered.
JVR and Jake get dragged all season for these supposed defensive issues, but they have 42 GA at 5on5 combined and they don't often play together. Hayes is at 40 GA by himself.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying the narrative that AV had to "get through to him," or that he's difficult to coach, or that he had to be forced down the lineup to learn a lesson about the value of 200ft hockey. He just wasn't producing tangible offense early. Any and all complaints or usage related issues basically came down to that: which is essentially his 1 constant. When it comes to buying in and giving effort, AV has heaped praise on Voracek (and JVR) all season. Lo and behold, points......now everyone's happy.
David St Hubbins
Well, you're not as confused as he is.
The narrative was that BOTH Voracek and Ghost were difficult players to coach and AV has come out and praised both of them for how hard their working and how they're willing to do whatever is asked of them.
It's literally just that: narratives. Fans make baseless theories up about players, it gets repeated, people start to actually believe it's true, and suddenly they have this reputation as if it's actually true. There was never any reason to believe either player was any different than any other player on this team, other than that they are slightly more honest in interviews and don't use as many cliches.
The way you and beef been posting there, hes better off.
They don't call him Swifty Sammy for nothin
That's a bit revisionist, I remember both Voracek and JVR being less than stellar two way players early in the season, though JVR had much better metrics than Voracek. JVR's issue was puck luck and finding a good fit, Voracek I think was struggling to find his place under AV.
But I've been crediting Voracek with a real change in his game the past few months, he's been much more physical, going to the net, not holding the puck as long and doing his "lone wolf" cycle, getting back on defense.
Looking at the last 20 games, since Lindblom has been gone, you see some up and down numbers, probably due to shuffling of lines and defensive pairs, the road trip from hell, and the team trying to find its identity. The players the most hurt were Hayes, Pitlick, Raffl and Laughton.
The problem has been finding that 12th forward with everyone else now healthy.
Giroux CF 51.70%, xGF 54.62%, HDCF 51.85%
JVR CF 51.97%, xGF 54.45%, HDCF 59.95%
Couts CF 53.21%, xGF 52.99%, HDCF 49.17%
NAK CF 48.77%, xGF 52.93%, HDCF 58.82%
Voracek CF 50.81%, xGF 50.37%, HDCF 52.48%
TK CF 51.88%, xGF 49.85%, HDCF 45.45%
Hayes CF 47.81%, xGF 46.97%, HDCF 48.82%
Farabee CF 47.92%, xGF 46.84%, HDCF 49.39%
Pitlick CF 47.71%, xGF 46.22%, HDCF 49.28%
Raffl CF 51.23%, xGF 43.92%, HDCF 45.28%%
Laughton CF 46.99%, xGF 40.21%, HDCF 48.98%
The dregs:
Frost CF 44.44%, xGF 44.16%, HDCF 45.45% [8 games]
Andreoff CF 51.58%, xGF 44.81%, HDCF 38.10% [7 games]
Vorobyev CF 50.00%, xGF 44.12%, HDCF 33.33% [13 games]
Bunnaman CF 40.00%, xGF 38.53, HDCF 55.56% [5 games]
Kase CF 40.70%, xGF 33.36%, HDCF 26.67% [6 games]
Stewart CF 38.67%, xGF 31.42%, HDCF 22.22 [7 games]
Raffl’s core strength is so high, he needs nuclear control rods. 
Of course diamond dave would vote for Barkov over Couturier for the midseason PHWA Selke award...
If Barkov were this true defensive wizard that many in hockey media portray him to be....why hasn’t it shown up in the numbers? Those things show up PROMINENTLY via the #’s.
If Barkov were this true defensive wizard that many in hockey media portray him to be....why hasn’t it shown up in the numbers? Those things show up PROMINENTLY via the #’s.
The votes are usually just given to the highest scoring player who has a rep for being good defensively. Quality of defensive play really has little to do with it.
That's why all of these awards are absolutely worthless. 99% of the people voting are idiots.
That's why all of these awards are absolutely worthless. 99% of the people voting are idiots.
The entire ballot was terrible.
Kuemper and Panarin in his MVP vote, Quinn Hughes not in the Calder vote, and the best defensive defenseman vote didn't have Slavin or Hedman in the top 3
Couturier was the winner...
But as @CanadianFlyer88 said, until he has the trophy in his hands it doesn't matter.
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