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Raccoon Jesus said:
I prefer him to Joakim Ryan for sure and personally I prefer him to Hutton but he doesn't have any business on anything but a bottom pairing, he's just lefty Peter Harrold/Jamie McBain.
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Disagree with you here RJ. During the Blues Cup run, Edmondson showed to be a reliable defender. Strong along the boards and got the puck out. I was very impressed. Much more solid than Hutton or Ryan. Of course, that's just form my eye test. No fancy stats stuff.
 
jfont said:
Disagree with you here RJ. During the Blues Cup run, Edmondson showed to be a reliable defender. Strong along the boards and got the puck out. I was very impressed. Much more solid than Hutton or Ryan. Of course, that's just form my eye test. No fancy stats stuff.
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I think RJ was responding to the Fantenberg suggestion...
 
In regards to Iafallo, I don't see any reason not to keep him. The only complaint I ever see about him is that he's miscast as a 1st line winger due to lack of other options, so if these young top-6 prospects pan out we slide Alex down to the 3rd line like he'd be on a more competitive team. Lewis and Clifford are gone, Carter is on his last leg, and who really knows what the f*** Brown's career trajectory is at this point. I'd be pretty comfortable giving Iafallo a 3-4 year deal and just penciling him in as that Veteran depth guy that can play on whatever line we need him to while working the kids in.
 
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redcard said:
In regards to Iafallo, I don't see any reason not to keep him. The only complaint I ever see about him is that he's miscast as a 1st line winger due to lack of other options, so if these young top-6 prospects pan out we slide Alex down to the 3rd line like he'd be on a more competitive team. Lewis and Clifford are gone, Carter is on his last leg, and who really knows what the f*** Brown's career trajectory is at this point. I'd be pretty comfortable giving Iafallo a 3-4 year deal and just penciling him in as that Veteran depth guy that can play on whatever line we need him to while working the kids in.
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Sure. But if it's at more than let's say $3.5M, that's a non-starter. I know they will have a roster flooded with guys on ELCs, but I think the newfound flexibility (Kovalchuk termination expiring, the worst of the Phaneuf buyout being over, plus Carter & Brown going into the last year of their deals) would be better used trying to add impact going into the 21-22 season once they have a little better idea who can play and who can't.
 
KopitarFAN said:
Sure. But if it's at more than let's say $3.5M, that's a non-starter. I know they will have a roster flooded with guys on ELCs, but I think the newfound flexibility (Kovalchuk termination expiring, the worst of the Phaneuf buyout being over, plus Carter & Brown going into the last year of their deals) would be better used trying to add impact going into the 21-22 season once they have a little better idea who can play and who can't.
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I'm trying to find comparables

Donskoi signed 4 x 3.9
Connolly 4 x 3.5
Tanev 6 x 3.5
Ferland 4 x 3.5

So I think that's right about the ballpark for Iafallo.
 
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I like Iafallo. He reminds me a little bit of Justin Williams when he was younger. Hopefully he can continue that trajectory. $3-4 million for three years would be a great deal for him.
 
So looking like we won’t be seeing Kings hockey until December at the earliest. Saves me some money on a streaming subscription I guess. How fat is Doughty gonna be by then? ;)
 
Iafallo on a short term deal makes sense, 3 yrs Max imo. Anything longer than that is not something I'm interested in.
 
Rusty Batch said:
Iafallo on a short term deal makes sense, 3 yrs Max imo. Anything longer than that is not something I'm interested in.
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I’d keep Iafallo if the price is right, I’m not too worried about term so I’d even go to 4/5 years. The reason being is that he’s a player that brings a solid performance every night. He’s a 7/10 player every night with the odd great game here and there. His coach knows what he’s going to get out of him each time so he’s a solid complimentary piece and will be a good influence on the younger guys. As long as the AAV is reasonable (as a 3LW on a contender, not a 1LW) he’s always going to be someone that is easily movable if we need to make space.
 
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redcard said:
I'm trying to find comparables

Donskoi signed 4 x 3.9
Connolly 4 x 3.5
Tanev 6 x 3.5
Ferland 4 x 3.5

So I think that's right about the ballpark for Iafallo.
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Tanev 24 points, 14:46 Time on ice per game. probably not playing first line minutes
Ferland 40 points (season in carolina when he got paid after) 14:06 per game, 2nd PP, third line
Connoly 33 points, 1430 per game, second PP, third line
Donsokoi 33 points, 1615 per game, second PP, second line

Iafallo 43 points, 1855 per game, tweeter 1st/2nd PP, 2nd in SH ice time per game for forwards, first line

Saad topped out at 53 points, 16:45 TOI/G, PP, PK, 6 mil per season
Backlund, topped out at 53 points, 17:57 per game, PP/PK, 5.35 mil


I don't think he would sign for under 4, he could easily get 5. He is already on his bridge contract. Toff got 4.6 and only broke 50 points once.
 
dman3474 said:
Tanev 24 points, 14:46 Time on ice per game. probably not playing first line minutes
Ferland 40 points (season in carolina when he got paid after) 14:06 per game, 2nd PP, third line
Connoly 33 points, 1430 per game, second PP, third line
Donsokoi 33 points, 1615 per game, second PP, second line

Iafallo 43 points, 1855 per game, tweeter 1st/2nd PP, 2nd in SH ice time per game for forwards, first line

Saad topped out at 53 points, 16:45 TOI/G, PP, PK, 6 mil per season
Backlund, topped out at 53 points, 17:57 per game, PP/PK, 5.35 mil


I don't think he would sign for under 4, he could easily get 5. He is already on his bridge contract. Toff got 4.6 and only broke 50 points once.
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If thats what he asks, then you simply move him..
 
That's the problem with Iafallo. He is scoring points because of the role he is given and he is given that role because we have zero top 6 options at wing to push him down to the 3rd line role he likely deserves. Not interested in locking up 3rd line vets for years based on their poor production as 1st liners.
 
Problem with those comparisons, is that Iafallo wouldn't get that same ice time on most other teams. He shouldn't be on 1st line (let alone 2nd line). I'd like him so much more if he was a 3rd liner -- that's where he belongs. Not his fault....we just lack top two line talent obviously. But who is going to pay him $4M+ for multple years and in this cap market? I don't see it...teams know he's getting more ice time and top line opportunity simply due to our suckage rather than his top line ability.

RB beat me to it...
 
I want to keep Iafallo but the argument is that he has been glued to Kopitar's side for the majority of his career and he most likely won't be if these prospects come in and play like we hope. He's also generally done this on a team that hasn't played very many important games.

When you look at Toffoli, he is obviously a much better goal scorer and he performed on the biggest stage in hockey. The only way he would get close to Toffoli is based on where the cap was when Toffoli signed his deal. As a percent of the cap, it shouldn't be close.

He would be a sub-4MM deal. Another team isn't going to give him $5MM because, again, they will know his numbers are inflated from playing with Kopitar. I like Iafallo but I really want him as a really good 3rd liner that can jump in to a Top 6 role when needed due to injuries etc.
 
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dman3474 said:
Tanev 24 points, 14:46 Time on ice per game. probably not playing first line minutes
Ferland 40 points (season in carolina when he got paid after) 14:06 per game, 2nd PP, third line
Connoly 33 points, 1430 per game, second PP, third line
Donsokoi 33 points, 1615 per game, second PP, second line

Iafallo 43 points, 1855 per game, tweeter 1st/2nd PP, 2nd in SH ice time per game for forwards, first line

Saad topped out at 53 points, 16:45 TOI/G, PP, PK, 6 mil per season
Backlund, topped out at 53 points, 17:57 per game, PP/PK, 5.35 mil


I don't think he would sign for under 4, he could easily get 5. He is already on his bridge contract. Toff got 4.6 and only broke 50 points once.
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I was looking more to goals than points, G/GP:

Iafallo
9/75
15/82
17/70
1 more season to UFA

Connolly
Broke in much younger 18 goals in first 4 seasons before:
15/66
15/70
22/81
UFA

Donskoi
11/66
6/61
14/66
14/80
UFA

Ferland
15/76
21/77
17/77
UFA

Tanev
2/51
8/61
14/80
UFA

All those deals were signed last summer by players about the age that Iafallo will be which is why I chose them. Toffoli broke the 30 goal plateau at the age of 23. Saad signed his deal in 2015 and Backlund was 30 so they weren't on my radar even if production is similar. The extra ice time, that he's spent the majority of his career on Kopitar's wing, the revenue effects of the pandemic, stagnant cap et. al. is what leads me to think he'd be in that 3.5-4 range if he extended now (or October if they've changed the rules to match free agency). Now if he scores at a 30 goal pace next year, I could definitely see that going up to 5-6.
 
kings11 said:
Does it matter? This team is still 1-2 seasons away .. Besides, playing on Kopi's wing anyone can get points.. I'd throw Grundstrom in there since everyone is curious as to his potential
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Thats funny considering the fact that Iafallo was second on the team in points. No other winger posted 40+ points, so I guess that makes the most productive winger on the team expendable. If anyone on Kopitar’s wing can get points, maybe you can explain why others weren’t as productive.
 
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Does it matter? This team is still 1-2 seasons away .. Besides, playing on Kopi's wing anyone can get points.. I'd throw Grundstrom in there since everyone is curious as to his potential
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Bingo.

Ziggy Stardust said:
Thats funny considering the fact that Iafallo was second on the team in points. No other winger posted 40+ points, so I guess that makes the most productive winger on the team expendable. If anyone on Kopitar’s wing can get points, maybe you can explain why others weren’t as productive.
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That's the problem, he's an above average player on a bad team, if he were still in the top 6 in 22-23, something has gone horribly wrong and they will have made no progress.
 
KopitarFAN said:
Bingo.
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I guess I don’t get this logic. Might as well trade everyone over 26 then if they’re not ready to compete yet. Get rid of every productive player 26 and older, which also includes Matt Roy and Cal Petersen, since this team is still years away from being competitive. The Kings need to add more draft picks.
 
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