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jfont said:
If the king's were lucky enough to pick first, how about trade w Ottawa?

Get the 2nd and 3rd or 3rd and 4th for the 1st and Kupari?

King's draft a forward and a D
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Interesting idea, but I just don't see that happening. Ottawa needs quantity, while the Kings need quality at this stage of their rebuild. Also, I think both teams would be afraid to make a move like that.
 
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AlphaBravo said:
Interesting idea, but I just don't see that happening. Ottawa needs quantity, while the Kings need quality at this stage of their rebuild. Also, I think both teams would be afraid to make a move like that.
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If that's the case we'll throw in Clague and a mid 2nd rounder
 
jfont said:
If that's the case we'll throw in Clague and a mid 2nd rounder
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yeah, NO..
This years #1 OA is like worth 2&3 to a team like Ott that would bring in the fan base with the local kid..
That said, the Kings wouldn't move a near sure thing like LaFreniere for anything short of a massive overpayment
 
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David Gursky said:
Cyclone, what video are you referring to?
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The 2005 Draft was thrown together somewhat late, so most of the scouts had to stay behind and hang out in their hotel rooms. Columbus put together a series of behind the scenes stuff that year; Doug MacLean acknowledged the entertainment aspect of putting together a team and always loves being on camera. I think in a different video, he turns down a trade for Chris Pronger because he doesn't want to give up 2004 1st rounder Alex Picard. Although MacLean probably has an idea at that point that Adam Foote is open to signing with Columbus.

When Minnesota goes off the board for Pouliot at #4, the Columbus scouts start celebrating. One scout (perhaps Paul Castron) says they're guaranteed Brule or Kopitar at #6. Then Montreal shocked most by going with Carey Price at #5 and Columbus had their choice of Brule/Kopitar. In fairness, Brule was highly ranked at the time and everybody assumed Montreal would take him at #5.

There were some priceless threads on the prospects board around 2004/05 regarding Crosby vs. Brule. For some reason the Western Canadians decided that Brule was the real Canadian phenom and that Crosby would turn out like Alexandre Daigle.

Brule leads Team Cherry to win in the Home Hardware Top Prospects Game – CHL

ISS Report: Brule shines brightest at Top Prospects Game - Hockey's Future

Brule had a hat trick in the CHL top prospects game that year and Crosby opted to sit out the game. I distinctly remember one poster declaring that Crosby was afraid to go head-to-head against Brule and that Sid was faking his injury.

It's funny to think if Montreal had taken Brule like everybody expected, Columbus would have been defaulted into Kopitar.
 
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The 2005 Draft was thrown together somewhat late, so most of the scouts had to stay behind and hang out in their hotel rooms. Columbus put together a series of behind the scenes stuff that year; Doug MacLean acknowledged the entertainment aspect of putting together a team. I think in a different video, he turns down a trade for Chris Pronger because he doesn't want to give up 2004 1st rounder Alex Picard. Although MacLean probably has an idea at that point that Adam Foote is open to signing with Columbus.

When Minnesota goes off the board for Pouliot at #4, the Columbus scouts start celebrating. One scout (perhaps David Castron) says they're guaranteed Brule or Kopitar at #6. Then Montreal shocked most by going with Carey Price at #5 and Columbus had their choice of Brule/Kopitar. In fairness, Brule was highly ranked at the time and everybody assumed Montreal would take him at #5.

There were some priceless threads on the prospects board around 2004/05 regarding Crosby vs. Brule. For some reason the Western Canadians decided that Brule was the real Canadian phenom and that Crosby would turn out like Alexandre Daigle.

Brule leads Team Cherry to win in the Home Hardware Top Prospects Game – CHL

ISS Report: Brule shines brightest at Top Prospects Game - Hockey's Future

Brule had a hat trick in the CHL top prospects game that year and Crosby opted to sit out the game. I distinctly remember one poster declaring that Crosby was afraid to go head-to-head against Brule and that Sid was faking his injury.

It's funny to think if Montreal had taken Brule like everybody expected, Columbus would have been defaulted into Kopitar.
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Here’s the link to the video where Doug MacLean backs out of Pronger trade talks, over Alex Picard.


They were also interested in signing Scott Niedermayer and Jason Allison.
 
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The 2005 Draft was thrown together somewhat late, so most of the scouts had to stay behind and hang out in their hotel rooms. Columbus put together a series of behind the scenes stuff that year; Doug MacLean acknowledged the entertainment aspect of putting together a team. I think in a different video, he turns down a trade for Chris Pronger because he doesn't want to give up 2004 1st rounder Alex Picard. Although MacLean probably has an idea at that point that Adam Foote is open to signing with Columbus.

When Minnesota goes off the board for Pouliot at #4, the Columbus scouts start celebrating. One scout (perhaps David Castron) says they're guaranteed Brule or Kopitar at #6. Then Montreal shocked most by going with Carey Price at #5 and Columbus had their choice of Brule/Kopitar. In fairness, Brule was highly ranked at the time and everybody assumed Montreal would take him at #5.

There were some priceless threads on the prospects board around 2004/05 regarding Crosby vs. Brule. For some reason the Western Canadians decided that Brule was the real Canadian phenom and that Crosby would turn out like Alexandre Daigle.

Brule leads Team Cherry to win in the Home Hardware Top Prospects Game – CHL

ISS Report: Brule shines brightest at Top Prospects Game - Hockey's Future

Brule had a hat trick in the CHL top prospects game that year and Crosby opted to sit out the game. I distinctly remember one poster declaring that Crosby was afraid to go head-to-head against Brule and that Sid was faking his injury.

It's funny to think if Montreal had taken Brule like everybody expected, Columbus would have been defaulted into Kopitar.
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Thank God everything fell through the way it did. We would have not been good without Kopi. Sheesh to think we could have gotten anyone but Anze.
 
If the Kings had the 6th pick would they have taken Kopitar? Dave Tayor's draft history suggests it would not have happened.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
Here’s the link to the video where Doug MacLean backs out of Pronger trade talks, over Alex Picard.


They were also interested in signing Scott Niedermayer and Jason Allison.
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Imagine the Blue Jackets with Nash insulated by Kopitar, Pronger, and Allison. I don't think it would've taken them until last season to earn their first playoff victory.
 
KINGS17 said:
If the Kings had the 6th pick would they have taken Kopitar? Dave Tayor's draft history suggests it would not have happened.
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Jokinen, Zultek, Frolov, Karlsson, Steckel, Boyle, Tukonen. He took some big forwards, even guys from overseas, quite a bit in the 1st round. Now Lombardi on the other hand, would he have taken Kopitar 6th in 2005? There were some defensemen around. Brian Lee, Luc Bourdon, Marc Staal. Would DL have traded up from 6 to get JMFJ, since he traded for him later on? Was Kopitar a DL type player? Look at most of the guys he brought in. Williams, Richards, Greene, Stoll. None of those guys play like Kopitar. Son of a coach and all that, but there's very little Mike Ricci in Kopitar. Eventually Carter and Gaborik were brought in, but he went off the board with Hickey at #4, so there could be an argument made that he takes a guy like Staal 6th. Will likely play 1000 games. It wouldn't have been a terrible pick.
 
BigKing said:
If Kopitar was the highest rated player left by Central Scouting than, yes, he probably takes him. Taylor seemed to generally go off of that or very close to it.
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This is exactly where I was going with this, and I bet you Brule or someone else was rated higher. Kopitar falling to #11 overall was a godsend for the Kings.
 
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Big gritty Canadian?

DL couldn't draft him soon enough. Hell, he even had a little Mike Ricci behind those eyes!

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KINGS17 said:
This is exactly where I was going with this, and I bet you Brule or someone else was rated higher. Kopitar falling to #11 overall was a godsend for the Kings.
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I assume you both are remembing that Hockey News article that demonstrated how Taylor's picks had the league's highest resemblance to Central Scouting, and by a wide margin.

That era of the Kings didn't have a lot of "their" guys, they just towed the CSS line.
 
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bland said:
I assume you both are remembing that Hockey News article that demonstrated how Taylor's picks had the league's highest resemblance to Central Scouting, and by a wide margin.

That era of the Kings didn't have a lot of "their" guys, they just towed the CSS line.
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I just remember it always being like..."we got a steal because this guy was rated higher by CSS and fell to us" but, you know, maybe there is a reason that Tukonen dropped?

I guess when you go off the board and bomb so hardly on a Jens Karlsson, maybe you just stick to CSS so you can't be criticized for going off the board too much. He did reach on Boyle though and toed the line on Tambellini which was rough, even with the long career Boyle has carved out. If he toes the line on the Boyle pick, Patrice Bergeron might have been a King. He probably takes Stewart with the Tambellini pick as well but he went one spot ahead.
 
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KINGS17 said:
If the Kings had the 6th pick would they have taken Kopitar? Dave Tayor's draft history suggests it would not have happened.
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I'll try to dig up the tweet/interview, but I remember Grant Sonier saying he was on the Kings' staff that year and their top four went something like: Crosby, Ryan, Johnson, Kopitar.

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Burnside: Kopitar no longer Kings' secret superstar

By the time the world championships rolled around that year, other NHL teams had caught on to the impressive 17-year-old, but perhaps because he'd been playing so much, Kopitar looked a little weary when the hockey world converged on the tournament during the NHL's season-long lockout.

"I think that might have fooled some people," Sonier, now the general manager of the Charlottetown Islanders of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League, told ESPN.com recently.

At the draft, the Kings had Kopitar at No. 3 on their list. They were picking 11th.
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