Speculation: 2019-20 News/Rumors,Roster thread Post Deadline

[funky]

Maybe on the pp but 5/5 that’s horrible balance, 2 guys that are average skaters (Vilardi/Kaliyev) and two that are not known for their defensive play (Frk/Kaliyev). If you leave Kempe there instead of Kaliyev it drastically improves the make up of the line and we have already seen that Frk, Vilardi and Kempe can play together. I think you let them pick up from where they left off.

Kaliyev is an interesting one for next year. He’s too good for Junior, but has fundamentals he needs to improve to make the NHL. The current shutdown does give him (and others) a great opportunity to work on conditioning, so he can improve that but the rest of it requires ice time.

I don’t see Kaliyev playing a bottom 6 role, it just isn’t him. His skill set is all offensive and he’s never going to be a great 2 way forward, but offensively he could end up our best player one day. So if he makes the NHL next year the only spot for him on day one IMO is on Kopitar’s right side as he will need a good defensive centre that can also get the most out of his offensive skill set. He has the talent, but is he going to be ready? Given the Covid situation I’m not confident but maybe it would be worth a gamble. He won’t play with Vilardi (certainly not initially) and the other options are probably between Carter, Turcotte and Lizotte. You could make a case for Carter but his game isn’t reliable enough IMO to play alongside a rookie with some big questions about his defensive game. So if they give him a 9 game look it would have to be alongside Kopitar for me. Trying him with Kopitar and Iafallo would be a good balance and would be the best chance for Kaliyev to stick. His minutes could still be managed by having Brown step up as required, given his natural understanding with Kopi, so Kaliyev can still be protected easily when he has inevitable issues with tough match ups etc. It would be a gamble but if it works the pay off would be huge.

I personally don’t think he makes the NHL next year, except maybe the first 9 games. However IF he does I think it’s because he hits it off with the skipper. I love the kid and I think he has serious potential but they really need to make sure they handle his development very carefully.

Foe a few games I would not mind seeing

Iafallo - Kopitar - Kaliyev - Iafallo meshes w Kopi and does a ton of the dirty work, Kopi is top 3 best 2 way players in NHL, Kaliyev just has to get in position and shoot
Kempe - Vilardi - Frk - Liked what I saw so far
Carter - Turcotte - Brown - Don't think Turcotte is ready but give him a taste surrounded by two vets to protect him .
Grundstrom - Lizotte - Wagner
Moore -Amadio - Porky - spares, Amadio probably ends up replacing Turcotte


Bjornfot - Doughty
Edmundson - Walker - Signin a big body w playoff experience to help protect our smaller core, is young, and eats minutes without being a liability
Anderson - Roy
MacDermid - As ther is 2 rooks in the lineup that could also use spells of MacDermid gets 50 ish games, cherry pick his games against bigger lineups and problems like Tkachuk

Quick - Mentor
Peterson - up and coming protege

 

[funky]

Blake had a PC today where he talked about numerous topics. Rosen and Hoven have details on it.

For me, obviously, the big takeaway is all of the Big Mac love. I hate to say I told you so but I actually do not hate it at all. This is still a man's game and a dime a dozen, average defenseman that only carries a "good skating" attribute does not yet trump a guy that is an absolute stud in the locker room and has the other team talking about "look out for this guy" before the game.

While the argument has never been between Hutton and MacD--and I don't hate Hutton--the point is that Hutton is what he is and has zero special skills and is not a guy a winning team will roster. You simpletons that have been screaming for someone from Ontario to play over MacD just don't get it: if you can develop MacD to a point where he isn't a total liability, he is an extremely valuable--and cheap--asset. There aren't a lot of killers left in this league but MacD is a guy who will hit you at the blueline and you won't see the ice for three weeks after.

It's like some of you weren't around for the good years. Actually, it's more like you were here but you were the ones that always took a shit on Matt Greene because he took some penalties and wasn't Paul Coffey.

Anyways, I've talked about MacD's intangibles--especially how hard he works--and how he is a perfect guy for where this team is at. They can afford to give him ice time; it would be a real bonus if the Kings had a legit #6 that is also in the running for Heavyweight Champ and could also change the complexion of a playoff series with one hit.

I don't like Blake, as is duly noted, but I've pretty much been on board since the Muzzin trade: today's commentary makes me feel a lot better that he gets "it".

Perfect #6/7 dman

- sherriff
- cheap
- leads by example
- can sit a few gamed and not hurt development


If I was a coach and I had a team with a lot of young talent, small talent and a yappy superstar on defence just knowing I have a weapon like Mac available lets me sleep a lot better at night.

While he does have a few weaknesses the man is capable of providing 50 to 60 games a year on our young blue line. I would love to get him some help and sign Edmundson to be a regular top 4. With Anderson and Bjornfot being introduced in our lineup I believe a rotation of Anderson, Bjornfot and MacDermid paired with an 80 game Edmundson would work awesome.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Blake had a PC today where he talked about numerous topics. Rosen and Hoven have details on it.

For me, obviously, the big takeaway is all of the Big Mac love. I hate to say I told you so but I actually do not hate it at all. This is still a man's game and a dime a dozen, average defenseman that only carries a "good skating" attribute does not yet trump a guy that is an absolute stud in the locker room and has the other team talking about "look out for this guy" before the game.

While the argument has never been between Hutton and MacD--and I don't hate Hutton--the point is that Hutton is what he is and has zero special skills and is not a guy a winning team will roster. You simpletons that have been screaming for someone from Ontario to play over MacD just don't get it: if you can develop MacD to a point where he isn't a total liability, he is an extremely valuable--and cheap--asset. There aren't a lot of killers left in this league but MacD is a guy who will hit you at the blueline and you won't see the ice for three weeks after.

It's like some of you weren't around for the good years. Actually, it's more like you were here but you were the ones that always took a shit on Matt Greene because he took some penalties and wasn't Paul Coffey.

Anyways, I've talked about MacD's intangibles--especially how hard he works--and how he is a perfect guy for where this team is at. They can afford to give him ice time; it would be a real bonus if the Kings had a legit #6 that is also in the running for Heavyweight Champ and could also change the complexion of a playoff series with one hit.

I don't like Blake, as is duly noted, but I've pretty much been on board since the Muzzin trade: today's commentary makes me feel a lot better that he gets "it".

They straight up compared him to Clifford, that tells me all I need to know about how dedicated he is and how they feel about him

I also really like what they said about an opponent takes notice when they see him on the game day roster

 

[KingsFan7824]

I completely forgot that Carter was out with an injury.

 

[bland]

Maybe on the pp but 5/5 that’s horrible balance, 2 guys that are average skaters (Vilardi/Kaliyev) and two that are not known for their defensive play (Frk/Kaliyev). If you leave Kempe there instead of Kaliyev it drastically improves the make up of the line and we have already seen that Frk, Vilardi and Kempe can play together. I think you let them pick up from where they left off.

Kaliyev is an interesting one for next year. He’s too good for Junior, but has fundamentals he needs to improve to make the NHL. The current shutdown does give him (and others) a great opportunity to work on conditioning, so he can improve that but the rest of it requires ice time.

I don’t see Kaliyev playing a bottom 6 role, it just isn’t him. His skill set is all offensive and he’s never going to be a great 2 way forward, but offensively he could end up our best player one day. So if he makes the NHL next year the only spot for him on day one IMO is on Kopitar’s right side as he will need a good defensive centre that can also get the most out of his offensive skill set. He has the talent, but is he going to be ready? Given the Covid situation I’m not confident but maybe it would be worth a gamble. He won’t play with Vilardi (certainly not initially) and the other options are probably between Carter, Turcotte and Lizotte. You could make a case for Carter but his game isn’t reliable enough IMO to play alongside a rookie with some big questions about his defensive game. So if they give him a 9 game look it would have to be alongside Kopitar for me. Trying him with Kopitar and Iafallo would be a good balance and would be the best chance for Kaliyev to stick. His minutes could still be managed by having Brown step up as required, given his natural understanding with Kopi, so Kaliyev can still be protected easily when he has inevitable issues with tough match ups etc. It would be a gamble but if it works the pay off would be huge.

I personally don’t think he makes the NHL next year, except maybe the first 9 games. However IF he does I think it’s because he hits it off with the skipper. I love the kid and I think he has serious potential but they really need to make sure they handle his development very carefully.

The best case scenario for Kaliyev is to be traded to an OHL powerhouse for his final CHL year before AHL eligibility. He still has a whole lot to work on, and being a whale in a puddle won't require that work. He may put it in anyway, but he would have to if he was riding shotgun to a prolific center on a team that plays for the Memorial Cup.

 

[RocketKing]

Blake had a PC today where he talked about numerous topics. Rosen and Hoven have details on it.

For me, obviously, the big takeaway is all of the Big Mac love. I hate to say I told you so but I actually do not hate it at all. This is still a man's game and a dime a dozen, average defenseman that only carries a "good skating" attribute does not yet trump a guy that is an absolute stud in the locker room and has the other team talking about "look out for this guy" before the game.

While the argument has never been between Hutton and MacD--and I don't hate Hutton--the point is that Hutton is what he is and has zero special skills and is not a guy a winning team will roster. You simpletons that have been screaming for someone from Ontario to play over MacD just don't get it: if you can develop MacD to a point where he isn't a total liability, he is an extremely valuable--and cheap--asset. There aren't a lot of killers left in this league but MacD is a guy who will hit you at the blueline and you won't see the ice for three weeks after.

It's like some of you weren't around for the good years. Actually, it's more like you were here but you were the ones that always took a shit on Matt Greene because he took some penalties and wasn't Paul Coffey.

Anyways, I've talked about MacD's intangibles--especially how hard he works--and how he is a perfect guy for where this team is at. They can afford to give him ice time; it would be a real bonus if the Kings had a legit #6 that is also in the running for Heavyweight Champ and could also change the complexion of a playoff series with one hit.

I don't like Blake, as is duly noted, but I've pretty much been on board since the Muzzin trade: today's commentary makes me feel a lot better that he gets "it".

Good thoughts.

One thing that I think of when looking at Big Mac is that he seems to improve a little bit every season. He's always going to be limited by his lack of skating skills but some dmen can continue to improve and become decent players later in their careers. I have always like him and if he's just our every day 7th dman then he's earned an NHL spot IMO. Considering the other important things he brings (and we mostly have a small D team) I think he's good as the regular 7th guy and who knows if he continue to make slight improvements he may get to be a regular 3rd pair guy.

 

[jfont]

="funky, post: 172046812, member:
Bjornfot - Doughty
Edmundson - Walker - Signin a big body w playoff experience to help protect our smaller core, is young, and eats minutes without being a liability
Anderson - Roy
MacDermid - As ther is 2 rooks in the lineup that could also use spells of MacDermid gets 50 ish games, cherry pick his games against bigger lineups and problems like Tkachuk

Quick - Mentor
Peterson - up and coming protege

Hopefully Bjornfot or Drysdale sshow that they belong..

 

[psych3man]

Hopefully Bjornfot or Drysdale sshow that they belong..

I was about to type "with Ottawa at #2 & 3 no way Kings get to Drysdale" when I remembered last year thinking "no way Chicago passes on Turcotte." I still recall my shock and 'girl scream' when the Hawks announced Dach.

 

[kilowatt]

I still really hope we pick a game-changing forward like Stutzle this draft. There are a lot of good defensemen in next year's draft. If Ottawa has picks two and three, I could definitely see them picking Byfield and Drysdale. That would leave us with the following forwards:

Stutzle, Vilardi, Turcotte, Kaliyev, Madden, Kupari, Fagemo, Grundstrom, Anderson-Dolan, Thomas

I'm obviously not guaranteeing anything, but I'd guess at least half of those guys will be NHL regulars. Can you imagine our top six in two years?

Stutzle - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Turcotte - Vilardi - Madden

 

[Bandit]

I completely forgot that Carter was out with an injury.

Who's Carter?

 

[bland]

I still really hope we pick a game-changing forward like Stutzle this draft. There are a lot of good defensemen in next year's draft. If Ottawa has picks two and three, I could definitely see them picking Byfield and Drysdale. That would leave us with the following forwards:

Stutzle, Vilardi, Turcotte, Kaliyev, Madden, Kupari, Fagemo, Grundstrom, Anderson-Dolan, Thomas

I'm obviously not guaranteeing anything, but I'd guess at least half of those guys will be NHL regulars. Can you imagine our top six in two years?

Stutzle - Kopitar - Kaliyev
Turcotte - Vilardi - Madden

Sub Rossi for Stutzle and I am onboard.

 

[kilowatt]

Sub Rossi for Stutzle and I am onboard.

That's fine too. I don't think we can go wrong with that second tier of forwards (where Lafreniere is tier one, and Byfield, Stutzle, Raymond, Rossi, and Perfetti are tier two). But if Stutzle's on the board, I can almost guarantee the Kings take him. The Sens might even take him over Byfield. Would you prefer Byfield over Rossi?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[bland]

That's fine too. I don't think we can go wrong with that second tier of forwards (where Lafreniere is tier one, and Byfield, Stutzle, Raymond, Rossi, and Perfetti are tier two). But if Stutzle's on the board, I can almost guarantee the Kings take him. The Sens might even take him over Byfield. Would you prefer Byfield over Rossi?

Lafreniere is the easy top pick, then the next four are all terrific prospects - Byfield, Stutzle. Rossi and Drysdale would all be fine additions.

I feel Byfield and Stutzle are both outstanding individual prospects who may very well be better than Lafreniere in the long run, but the reason I value Rossi more than those two is that every time I watch Rossi he seems so dialed into the game, he plays with purpose and makes everyone else around him more dangerous. He has that "it" factor that always seems to separate great playoff performers from the pack.

I would guess that both Stutzle and Byfield may outscore Rossi by 15-20 points per year, and both may very well develop or show that "it" that I am talking about, but Rossi already has it in spades, and its a quality I always associate with winners.

 

[funky]

Because I am bored what would it take from Ottawa to get our number #4. With their owner losing a ton of money this year, would he be willing to give up a young expensive left-handed defenseman we could pair with Doughty for years to come?

I think it would be really cool to see a team pick 2,3,4.

what would it take to acquire the 23 year old Chabot? I know it would be hard to pry him away from Ottawa but he being unleashed with Doughty both playing close to 25 mins a game is drool worthy. He is signed for 8 more years at a reasonable 8 mil a year.

Just some food for thought on these crazy housebound days.

 

[kilowatt]

Because I am bored what would it take from Ottawa to get our number #4. With their owner losing a ton of money this year, would he be willing to give up a young expensive left-handed defenseman we could pair with Doughty for years to come?

I think it would be really cool to see a team pick 2,3,4.

what would it take to acquire the 23 year old Chabot? I know it would be hard to pry him away from Ottawa but he being unleashed with Doughty both playing close to 25 mins a game is drool worthy. He is signed for 8 more years at a reasonable 8 mil a year.

Just some food for thought on these crazy housebound days.

I think it would take a lot more than just our first-round pick to acquire Chabot.

 

[redcard]

More like top Bropitar plays.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I feel like I could count on two hands the number of slapshots Kopitar has taken in his career but jesus christ he just uncorks it, that thing is nasty

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That highlight package was a nice reminder of why so many of us clamor for Kopitar to shoot more often. He leads the Kings in goals, but he's seventh on the team in shots on goal.

 

[cyclones22]

Kopi's last 7 seasons except for the career low 2016/17 one, he's had very good shooting percentages. If he was more selfish he would score 30 goals a season routinely. To put things in perspective he has a higher career shooting percentage than Patrick Kane. We all know this already though. I don't know I wasted my time typing this out LOL. Carry on.

 

[BringTheReign]

I feel like I could count on two hands the number of slapshots Kopitar has taken in his career but jesus christ he just uncorks it, that thing is nasty

I used to get mad that slapshots were a dying tool in the NHL, as I loved watching those goals. As I learned more about hockey though, it's clear to see that with how fast the game is today and how big/athletic goalies are, it's more of advantage to get a shot off quick and deceptively than it is to wind-up. It's a bummer for entertainment purposes, but it's kind of cool to marvel at the little nuances of the game at the highest level.

I think The Athletic wrote an article about the decline in slapshot usage since the 05-06 lockout. Interesting read for sure.

 

[funky]

I used to get mad that slapshots were a dying tool in the NHL, as I loved watching those goals. As I learned more about hockey though, it's clear to see that with how fast the game is today and how big/athletic goalies are, it's more of advantage to get a shot off quick and deceptively than it is to wind-up. It's a bummer for entertainment purposes, but it's kind of cool to marvel at the little nuances of the game at the highest level.

I think The Athletic wrote an article about the decline in slapshot usage since the 05-06 lockout. Interesting read for sure.

I find it funny watching all the mid 80 Oilers games being televised this last month that I did not realize how many goals Gretzky scored using a slap shot. He was constantly taking slappers through traffic, from the circles and even on breakaways.

it is a dying art. Hopefully we will see Frk rip a few next season.

 

[Kingspiracy]

I find it funny watching all the mid 80 Oilers games being televised this last month that I did not realize how many goals Gretzky scored using a slap shot. He was constantly taking slappers through traffic, from the circles and even on breakaways.

it is a dying art. Hopefully we will see Frk rip a few next season.

Frkn eh

 

[Maynard]

Kopi's last 7 seasons except for the career low 2016/17 one, he's had very good shooting percentages. If he was more selfish he would score 30 goals a season routinely. To put things in perspective he has a higher career shooting percentage than Patrick Kane. We all know this already though. I don't know I wasted my time typing this out LOL. Carry on.

It’s interesting. He’s being unselfish, right? That should be a good thing but the majority of the players he’s passing to have a much worse chance of scoring than he does if he shot the puck himself. So due to his unselfishness they score less, therefore win less games.
If he shot more, the team would win more but he wants his teammates to shoot, which hurts the team. So his unselfishness is pretty selfish.

 

[HookKing]

Weird logic in here. Maybe Kopitar's shooting % is high because he takes shots that actually have a chance of going in? If he shoots more his assist total likely goes down...perhaps he's best positioned to determine whether a shot or pass offers the best odds. Of course anyone on here headed for the HOF feel free to disagree.