Speculation: 2019-20 News/Rumors,Roster thread Post Deadline

[Telos]

Doughty is fine, obviously, he may never get back to his peak, but he will be there when the games are big. Blake is likely not going to move Kopitar or Doughty so they are here to stay. He's someone, for better or worse, that the kids can look up to.

 

[crassbonanza]

You guys are bewildered that @KINGS17 doesn't have a huge list of favorite players on the current team... all the while forgetting that we finished next to dead in the entire NHL the past 2 seasons.

Besides a handful of players like Vilardi or Petersen, the guys that will lead this team into the post season in the future aren't even playing on the team yet.

Yeah, I am pretty shocked because I always liked players on the Kings, even when they were shit. This team has a lot of fun players in Lizotte, Vilardi, Roy, Anderson, Walker, Iafallo, Petersen, Macdermid, Kempe, Frk, etc. Nevermind a guy like Kopitar who still carrying a huge load and continuing to produce on a team that is transitioning or any of the other guys left over from the Stanley Cup runs.

I guess I just don't get the point in hating every single player on a team.

 

[BigKing]

I don't think he hates everyone, it's just that they're aren't a lot of needle movers. The team has been full of aging vets and JAGs for awhile now.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't think he hates everyone, it's just that they're aren't a lot of needle movers. The team has been full of aging vets and JAGs for awhile now.

Kopitar's a whole hell of a lot more than a needle-mover, and yet...

 

[KINGS17]

Let's be clear. I don't hate any of the Kings players, especially Anze Kopitar. His contract on the other hand is a completely different matter, and was a mistake. It is very likely the same is true of Drew Doughty's contract.

For all of the greatness of these two players, the Kings still only won a single playoff game in the last six seasons. So, how have either of them "moved the needle"? It would be different if they were in their early twenties, but they are on the wrong side of 30.

I am optimistic about players like Petersen, Anderson, and Vilardi. We will see how the prospects come along, but I don't think we will see the Kings in the playoffs for at least two more seasons.

 

[Rusty Batch]

Let's be clear. I don't hate any of the Kings players, especially Anze Kopitar. His contract on the other hand is a completely different matter, and was a mistake. It is very likely the same is true of Drew Doughty's contract.

For all of the greatness of these two players, the Kings still only won a single playoff game in the last six seasons. So, how have either of them "moved the needle"? It would be different if they were in their early twenties, but they are on the wrong side of 30.

I am optimistic about players like Petersen, Anderson, and Vilardi. We will see how the prospects come along, but I don't think we will see the Kings in the playoffs for at least two more seasons.

Doughty and Kopi are only two players. In a sport where 18 skaters play reasonably even minutes. Both of them have continuously played with players that are not at all capable of playing with them.

Fortunately that will rapidly be changing.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Let's be clear. I don't hate any of the Kings players, especially Anze Kopitar. His contract on the other hand is a completely different matter, and was a mistake. It is very likely the same is true of Drew Doughty's contract.

For all of the greatness of these two players, the Kings still only won a single playoff game in the last six seasons. So, how have either of them "moved the needle"? It would be different if they were in their early twenties, but they are on the wrong side of 30.

I am optimistic about players like Petersen, Anderson, and Vilardi. We will see how the prospects come along, but I don't think we will see the Kings in the playoffs for at least two more seasons.

When one guy is 60% CF% with only one even strength goal against in the hardest matchup in the league and his replacements are sub-30% and you still lose, I think you may need to consider that 'moving the needle' even in a losing effort. Hart finalist Selke winner and Norris finalist on a team that barely made the playoffs may be considered needle movers. I dunno, guess it's just me.

 

[KINGS17]

When one guy is 60% CF% with only one even strength goal against in the hardest matchup in the league and his replacements are sub-30% and you still lose, I think you may need to consider that 'moving the needle' even in a losing effort. Hart finalist Selke winner and Norris finalist on a team that barely made the playoffs may be considered needle movers. I dunno, guess it's just me.

I have never said Kopitar doesn't get the toughest match ups. What I am saying is it doesn't seem to matter in terms of the Kings success, so what is the point of his contract?

I guess it is you, because the same two guys have been on a team that has been at or near the bottom of the standings the past two seasons.

 

[Rusty Batch]

Double post

 

[Rusty Batch]

I have never said Kopitar doesn't get the toughest match ups. What I am saying is it doesn't seem to matter in terms of the Kings success, so what is the point of his contract?

I guess it is you, because the same two guys have been on a team that has been at or near the bottom of the standings the past two seasons.

They've also been the two best players on two Stanley cup teams. So there's that.

The reason you lock up Selke and Norris caliber players that have proven to be able to lead teams to two cups. Is because they are almost impossible to replace.

Would you rather have a few more prospects and no #1C and #1D. Or #1C, #1D and the best prospect pool in the league?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I have never said Kopitar doesn't get the toughest match ups. What I am saying is it doesn't seem to matter in terms of the Kings success, so what is the point of his contract?

I guess it is you, because the same two guys have been on a team that has been at or near the bottom of the standings the past two seasons.

So you can only 'move the needle' if you win?

Who is going to break this to Connor McDavid and his 116 points that barely got the Oilers out of the lottery?

 

[KINGS17]

So you can only 'move the needle' if you win?

Who is going to break this to Connor McDavid and his 116 points that barely got the Oilers out of the lottery?

As I said, it would be one thing if they were in their twenties, and there was hope they would be around when the team might contend. McDavid is still a building block for the future in Edmonton. I think you can see the difference.

 

[KINGS17]

They've also been the two best players on two Stanley cup teams. So there's that.

The reason you lock up Selke and Norris caliber players that have proven to be able to lead teams to two cups. Is because they are almost impossible to replace.

Would you rather have a few more prospects and no #1C and #1D. Or #1C, #1D and the best prospect pool in the league?

...and the Stanley Cups are ancient history, so there's that.

By the time the Kings are contenders again it is doubtful they will be the same 1C and 1D they were in 2014. The best prospect pool, yes. Having the best prospect pool doesn't necessarily translate into being a Stanley Cup contender in a few seasons.

It took Dean Lombardi six years to get the Kings their first Stanley Cup. If, as many here say, Blake inherited a bleaker situation than the one inherited by Lombardi, why do you expect Blake to do it in a shorter period of time?

 

[crassbonanza]

...and the Stanley Cups are ancient history, so there's that.

By the time the Kings are contenders again it is doubtful they will be the same 1C and 1D they were in 2014. The best prospect pool, yes. Having the best prospect pool doesn't necessarily translate into being a Stanley Cup contender in a few seasons.

It took Dean Lombardi six years to get the Kings their first Stanley Cup. If, as many here say, Blake inherited a bleaker situation than the one inherited by Lombardi, why do you expect Blake to do it in a shorter period of time?

Did you think signing Michael Handzus was a good decision?

 

[Rusty Batch]

...and the Stanley Cups are ancient history, so there's that.

By the time the Kings are contenders again it is doubtful they will be the same 1C and 1D they were in 2014. The best prospect pool, yes. Having the best prospect pool doesn't necessarily translate into being a Stanley Cup contender in a few seasons.

It took Dean Lombardi six years to get the Kings their first Stanley Cup. If, as many here say, Blake inherited a bleaker situation than the one inherited by Lombardi, why do you expect Blake to do it in a shorter period of time?

To be fair it took the Kings 45 years to win a cup. Gretzky, Dionne, Robataille, Blake, palfy, etc... None of them could do it. It took Doughty 6 years to win two of them. Kopi 8 years.

Well here we are with these two players at age 30 and 32 and you can't wrap your head around why we might want to put all this talent we have around them and see if they can do it again?

 

[Herby]

To be fair it took the Kings 45 years to win a cup. Gretzky, Dionne, Robataille, Blake, palfy, etc... None of them could do it. It took Doughty 6 years to win two of them. Kopi 8 years.

Well here we are with these two players at age 30 and 32 and you can't wrap your head around why we might want to put all this talent we have around them and see if they can do it again?

30 and 32 is pretty old in today's NHL. Plus neither Doughty or Kopitar have resembled anything close to their 2014 levels at all over the past two seasons.

The reality is, the next time the Kings are ready to contend for a Stanley Cup, neither Doughty or Kopitar are likely to be the best player on the team. That is something that Blake has to realize.

 

[Rusty Batch]

30 and 32 is pretty old in today's NHL. Plus neither Doughty or Kopitar have resembled anything close to their 2014 levels at all over the past two seasons.

The reality is, the next time the Kings are ready to contend for a Stanley Cup, neither Doughty or Kopitar are likely to be the best player on the team. That is something that Blake has to realize.

It's funny how age 30 and 32 is too old (even for potential hall of famers) but at the same time age 19/20 is way too young to play in the NHL. (not talking directly to you Herby) it's like we have the Goldilocks syndrome on this board where you have to be just the right age to be good in the NHL.

How are guys like Suter, Letang, Weber, Giordano, etc...still doing so good at around age 35, Doughty is for sure capable of doing it well into his 30s. Chara is like 42 and still eating minutes, guy won his cup and was elite at age 33.
The thing about elite players like Kopi and Doughty is that they tend to maintain high levels for a long time.
I mean you are knocking Kopis decline over the last two years, meanwhile the guy has led our team in scoring the past two seasons, with 122 points, next closest to him... Drew Doughty 80 points.

Our best defensive forward has declined so much in two years that he only has 50% more points then the second leading scorer ( Not a linemate of his, no it's of course our best defensive Dman)

 

[Maynard]

I don't think he hates everyone, it's just that they're aren't a lot of needle movers. The team has been full of aging vets and JAGs for awhile now.

I’m not up on my acronyms but JAG means “just a guy” right?
So who are the JAG’s and let’s rank them. I’ll start:

1. Amadio

 

[crassbonanza]

The reality is, the next time the Kings are ready to contend for a Stanley Cup, neither Doughty or Kopitar are likely to be the best player on the team. That is something that Blake has to realize.

and that's OK. They are still very talented players now and will continue to be for a while. They will take pressure off of our younger talent and will still be good when/if the new players begin to take over the team.

Cap Space does not roll over, so I can not for the life of me understand why anyone could be pissed at Doughty and Kopitar for being on the team during this transition.

 

[johnjm22]

I thought Kopitar was pretty damn good this year.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

30 and 32 is pretty old in today's NHL. Plus neither Doughty or Kopitar have resembled anything close to their 2014 levels at all over the past two seasons.

The reality is, the next time the Kings are ready to contend for a Stanley Cup, neither Doughty or Kopitar are likely to be the best player on the team. That is something that Blake has to realize.

Doughty was a Norris finalist not even two years ago.

Kopitar was on pace for 3 more points than 2014 despite the team being a LOT worse (and funny enough with nearly the same pt. spread 2014 Kopitar 70 pts to carter 50, 2020 Kopitar 73 pts to Iafallo 50).

You might be right about the last thing, but the outright denialism about how great these two players are and can be is nuts.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I have never said Kopitar doesn't get the toughest match ups. What I am saying is it doesn't seem to matter in terms of the Kings success, so what is the point of his contract?

I guess it is you, because the same two guys have been on a team that has been at or near the bottom of the standings the past two seasons.

The Kings were 4th overall on the day he signed his contract. They were still trying to win. Lombardi was still all in. Between June 2014 and January 2016, the Kings never showed any signs of not trying to compete. There was no window to get rid of Kopitar. Other than theoretically.

 

[Fat Elvis]

I thought Kopitar was pretty damn good this year.

I've been tough on Kopitar in the past, but this season he's been solid. Got zero problems with #11 this season, hope he's able to carry it over the next time they play.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Kopitar will probably go down as one of the most underappreciated players in team history. The guy has been a workhorse for so many years, and he still gets flogged for some reason (hell, I get on his case too because he's not selfish enough at times).

Same people who lambaste Blake for "disloyalty" are quick to want to get rid of one of the most important players in Kings history. Funny how that works out.

 

[ibleedkings]

If you look back over the years when Kopi or Doughty has been injured, the team was completely lost when Kopi was out of the lineup vs Doughty. He's the wheel that keeps the team turning IMO.