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BringTheReign said:
I'd rather give up 4 1st rounders for Barzal than sign Taylor Hall. If Blake even briefly inquires with his agent during FA, he should be fired.
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Given the unknown cap situation and the probable Kings’ cap availability, Blake should do a cursory inquiry with his agent. See if 3yrs @ $5 would work. It probably won’t, but you never know. There might not be many other teams that could offer any more. We could then get a couple of 1OA selections while he’s here. ;)
 
Taylor Hall is not going to be a target. They've repeatedly stated that targets would be in the 25 year old range and Hall is turning 29 this year. It was also stated that they were at least a few years out from even attempting to sign anyone of that stature. Age and timeline don't work. Of course, they could be lying, but there was an astounding amount of honesty during these season ticket holder meetings.
 
cyclones22 said:
Taylor Hall is not going to be a target. They've repeatedly stated that targets would be in the 25 year old range and Hall is turning 29 this year. It was also stated that they were at least a few years out from even attempting to sign anyone of that stature. Age and timeline don't work. Of course, they could be lying, but there was an astounding amount of honesty during these season ticket holder meetings.
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Taylor Hall peaked at 26 years of age having his career year and now at 28 is on the down side of his career. Like the NFL has the 30 years of age as being too old in the NHL it's about 25 years of age. After that you should expect diminishing returns. With Hall's injury history he's really about 35 right now, waiting to cash in on a big money deal and sit on the sidelines injured for the majority of it.
 
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The Tikkanen said:
Taylor Hall peaked at 26 years of age having his career year and now at 28 is on the down side of his career. Like the NFL has the 30 years of age as being too old in the NHL it's about 25 years of age. After that you should expect diminishing returns. With Hall's injury history he's really about 35 right now, waiting to cash in on a big money deal and sit on the sidelines injured for the majority of it.
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I actually think the peak for NHL players is closer to 22. Most peak in their very early 20s and then are able to stay near that level for an extended period of time.
 
kingsboy11 said:
NBCSN will be showing a replay of game 7 against the Hawks at 2 today
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Just finished watching it. Good grief, the Kings at the peak of their powers were something else. Relentless. They were like an MVP NFL power running back though. Absolutely dominating for that 3 year stretch just running over tacklers, but that type of physicality wears the body down and ages you quickly. Still though, a sight to behold.
 
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cyclones22 said:
Just finished watching it. Good grief, the Kings at the peak of their powers were something else. Relentless. They were like an MVP NFL power running back though. Absolutely dominating for that 3 year stretch just running over tacklers, but that type of physicality wears the body down and ages you quickly. Still though, a sight to behold.
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~ Signed,
Todd Gurley
 
People need to get over Barzal, if the contract sounds good to you, it does to the Islanders as well. If it seems high, they will still match. So basically unless you think it’s a joke of a contract, that nobody would sign, then it’s something the Isle might not match. But then you are left with a terrible contract, and 4 less first rounders....
 
cyclones22 said:
Just finished watching it. Good grief, the Kings at the peak of their powers were something else. Relentless. They were like an MVP NFL power running back though. Absolutely dominating for that 3 year stretch just running over tacklers, but that type of physicality wears the body down and ages you quickly. Still though, a sight to behold.
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Yeah, that's why once guys started leaving/retiring, the writing was on the wall...it's 'easy' to 'replace' Jarret Stoll from a production standpoint. Or Greene. But you won't replace their will to just run you the f*** over and play any game they needed to in order to put the puck in the net. And you knew you were going to pay for every inch of it. I forget what poor Shark Greene got an interference penalty for absolutely railroading :laugh: But that guy wouldn't come within feet of him after that.

Same reason I feel like TBL is always a paper tiger. Regehr hit Kucherov so hard he stopped playing. And you see it in his eyes every playoffs. So easily rattled off their skill game when they can't just run amok.

It's why I have huge respect for a guy like Patrick Kane. Simply unrattleable, total winner.
 
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KingLB said:
People need to get over Barzal, if the contract sounds good to you, it does to the Islanders as well. If it seems high, they will still match. So basically unless you think it’s a joke of a contract, that nobody would sign, then it’s something the Isle might not match. But then you are left with a terrible contract, and 4 less first rounders....
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Well that's not really accurate. Isles would get four 1sts from a team that's currently low in the standings, that's solid compensation and makes it awfully tempting for them to not match. Also Lou is not exactly known as the most flexible GM in negotiations, so it is entirely probable that he would not at all be willing to go as high as we would AAV, and certainly not as short on term. I was suggesting 12.5 over 4 years.

Many people have speculated (and it makes sense) that Barzal is not thrilled about playing in the ultra defensive minded NYI system and wouldn't mind getting out. You gotta think he would accept a 4 yr 12.5 deal to go to a young skilled offensive team, and live in Hermosa Beach, no?

While 12.5 over 4 yrs could be considered a " laughable contract" it really wouldn't impact us. As we would be a team full of young elcs with a ever reducing amount of baggage over the next 4 years.
 
Rusty Batch said:
Well that's not really accurate. Isles would get four 1sts from a team that's currently low in the standings, that's solid compensation and makes it awfully tempting for them to not match. Also Lou is not exactly known as the most flexible GM in negotiations, so it is entirely probable that he would not at all be willing to go as high as we would AAV, and certainly not as short on term. I was suggesting 12.5 over 4 years.

Many people have speculated (and it makes sense) that Barzal is not thrilled about playing in the ultra defensive minded NYI system and wouldn't mind getting out. You gotta think he would accept a 4 yr 12.5 deal to go to a young skilled offensive team, and live in Hermosa Beach, no?

While 12.5 over 4 yrs could be considered a " laughable contract" it really wouldn't impact us. As we would be a team full of young elcs with a ever reducing amount of baggage over the next 4 years.
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It’s 100% accurate.

A. The Isle would match that offer easy.
B. Isle are moving into a new stadium soon, and let their last star leave, no way they let another go.
C. Players looking to leave defensive systems don’t look to the Kings
D. While the 1sts may be low now, they wouldn’t be with Barzal and potential the kings have, so at best 4 mid firsts? At worst, 4 firsts in the 20’s?
E. 4 year deal would actually be bad for the Kings, at this rate that is a year or more after Vilardi, Turcotte, Bjornfot, Anderson, Clague, this years #1 all will likely be off ELC’s by then. With Doughty and Kopi’s contracts overlapping for most the deal (if not all).
 
As much as we want some of these kids on the ice, this break is great for our organization. Allow guys like Vilardi and Turcotte to continue building strength and getting truly healthy and watching oodles and oodles of video while some other contenders watch their windows slowly close.

Nice Athletic writeup on Turcotte today, who has been studying Barzal :)

Fun trivia: guess who his agent is?

re: his performance and what he wants to work on:

"“Our team had some great moments and some real down moments. His performance was a little bit like that. At times he was dominant, and at other times it was a struggle for him to battle through guys leaning all over him, checking him, 24-year-old guys that had an assignment to shut him down. That’s part of what growth is as a player, dealing with it and learning from it.”"

“The biggest thing for me is the willingness to shoot more. I’m a playmaker. I like to make those pretty passes a lot of times. Taking a shot is more selfish sometimes, but you’ve got to be able to do both.
“The best players in the world are dual threats. I watch a lot of videos of certain players in the NHL — (Artemi) Panarin, (Patrick) Kane, (Sidney Crosby), these guys that can do everything. They can do it all. Then you’ve got to put in the work, and I’ve been doing that.

Love the hunger and the focus.
 
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KingLB said:
It’s 100% accurate.

A. The Isle would match that offer easy.
B. Isle are moving into a new stadium soon, and let their last star leave, no way they let another go.
C. Players looking to leave defensive systems don’t look to the Kings
D. While the 1sts may be low now, they wouldn’t be with Barzal and potential the kings have, so at best 4 mid firsts? At worst, 4 firsts in the 20’s?
E. 4 year deal would actually be bad for the Kings, at this rate that is a year or more after Vilardi, Turcotte, Bjornfot, Anderson, Clague, this years #1 all will likely be off ELC’s by then. With Doughty and Kopi’s contracts overlapping for most the deal (if not all).
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It sounds like you think Barzal would make our team good right away. I agree with you.
I also agree with you that we should be rolling a very young lineup starting right away and that lineup would be a significant improvement over what we've been rolling with for years.

Where I strongly disagree with you is on Barzal being unatainable. I think Barzal is extremely poachable. For the reasons I already listed. And I think the Kings are in perfect position to poach a RFA (tempting future picks, and a ridiculous amount of cap space

I also disagree with you on the contract being bad for us. Arguing the specific term and AAV i proposed is fine, but I think there are a number of different ways to do a contract that NYI would absolutely hate and that we would be fine with. Bottom line is we have a very large number of ELC players for years on this team based on the extremely deep prospect pool we will have and the very low amount of vets under contract. It's just hard to envision a scenario where we are pushing the cap within the next few years. Unless we start chasing multiple big time UFAs (which I would advise against)
 
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