Speculation: 2019-20 News/Rumors,Roster thread Post Deadline

[DoktorJeep]

It’s no coincidence that the two best stretches of hockey for this team came with Carter and Forbort out of the lineup.

 

[KopitarFAN]

As it relates to the cap and potential buyout(s), you absolutely take advantage. Lets say in the event their is no postseason, that $300M goes out the window, maybe the cap winds up $76M down from the projected 84-88. Yes, they still have plenty of space, but thinking about 21-22, when Iafallo would need a deal, Roy needs a deal, it's about more than this summer.

 

[Fishhead]

The team doesn't need the cap space, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't utilize buyouts if they are available. Say they buy out Carter's last two years. They can then take a cap dump from another team along with an asset (potentially a good one) with that space. The team needs to take advantage if the situation arises.

 

[redcard]

The team doesn't need the cap space, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't utilize buyouts if they are available. Say they buy out Carter's last two years. They can then take a cap dump from another team along with an asset (potentially a good one) with that space. The team needs to take advantage if the situation arises.

The issue is that due to recapture, the effect of the buyout is minimal. We'd only save 1.3m in each of the next two years, but then have 667K of dead space for the following two years. And given that we have 20m+ in cap space as it stands we still have more than enough room to acquire cap dumps.

 

[Rusty Batch]

It is very Confusing to me that this board can't see the writing on the wall. Kings should not be taking on bad contracts we should be trying to win.
We have a #1C a #1D that have proven they can carry a team to two cups. And we have the best prospect pool in the league.
But our strategy is to just keep acquiring more and more prospects and keep them out of the NHL?
We are going to blow a time period in which we have cap space, an amazing prospect pool, and the best #1C and #1D this franchise has ever had?

There is a point in a rebuild (and certainly another draft AFTER having what's universally considered the best prospect pool in the league) where you have aquired enough prospects and you need to start transitioning to utilizing the cap space you have to get better not worse.

You guys need to stop thinking about how bad the rosters we have put on the ice the last few years have been. And look at the roster we can potentially put on the ice. There is very little connection between these two version of Kings teams.

Call up some of these young guys. And the decade plus of Kopitar leading the team in scoring by 20/30 points will be over. This team will have competitive center depth, dynamic wingers, guys that can Snipe from both sides on the PP, speed, and skill, and lines that can matchup a lot of different ways.

The writing is on the wall guys. Taking on bad contracts for more picks is an awful idea. We need to stop clutching our pearls.

 

[KopitarFAN]

The issue is that due to recapture, the effect of the buyout is minimal. We'd only save 1.3m in each of the next two years, but then have 667K of dead space for the following two years. And given that we have 20m+ in cap space as it stands we still have more than enough room to acquire cap dumps.

What recapture? we're talking potential compliance buyouts due to the cap going down if they don't get the postseason revenue.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

It is very Confusing to me that this board can't see the writing on the wall. Kings should not be taking on bad contracts we should be trying to win.
We have a #1C a #1D that have proven they can carry a team to two cups. And we have the best prospect pool in the league.
But our strategy is to just keep acquiring more and more prospects and keep them out of the NHL?
We are going to blow a time period in which we have cap space, an amazing prospect pool, and the best #1C and #1D this franchise has ever had?

There is a point in a rebuild (and certainly another draft AFTER having what's universally considered the best prospect pool in the league) where you have aquired enough prospects and you need to start transitioning to utilizing the cap space you have to get better not worse.

You guys need to stop thinking about how bad the rosters we have put on the ice the last few years have been. And look at the roster we can potentially put on the ice. There is very little connection between these two version of Kings teams.

Call up some of these young guys. And the decade plus of Kopitar leading the team in scoring by 20/30 points will be over. This team will have competitive center depth, dynamic wingers, guys that can Snipe from both sides on the PP, speed, and skill, and lines that can matchup a lot of different ways.

The writing is on the wall guys. Taking on bad contracts for more picks is an awful idea. We need to stop clutching our pearls.

You are asking for a disaster. The Kings tried this and it set the Kings back. Retooling is a fools errand. DD and Kopi are making too much and are not good enough to retool around. The Kings are not just behind the 8 ball. They are touching it

 

[Rusty Batch]

You are asking for a disaster. The Kings tried this and it set the Kings back. Retooling is a fools errand. DD and Kopi are making too much and are not good enough to retool around. The Kings are not just behind the 8 ball. They are touching it

It's not retooling when you have the best prospect pool. We've done it, we can move on

 

[KINGS17]

The team doesn't need the cap space, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't utilize buyouts if they are available. Say they buy out Carter's last two years. They can then take a cap dump from another team along with an asset (potentially a good one) with that space. The team needs to take advantage if the situation arises.

If the opportunity presents itself, the Kings should absolutely buy out any player with term remaining who isn't part of the plan in three years.

 

[kingsboy11]

If the league allows compliance buyouts again I don't think the Kings will make the same mistake twice. Although I feel like it wouldn't be as much about the cap space as it would probably be more due to someone taking up a roster spot.

 

[KINGS17]

If the league allows compliance buyouts again I don't think the Kings will make the same mistake twice. Although I feel like it wouldn't be as much about the cap space as it would probably be more due to someone taking up a roster spot.

Yup!!

 

[KINGS17]

It's not retooling when you have the best prospect pool. We've done it, we can move on

If it is not a retooling, what would you call it?

 

[Stimpythecat]

Carter is a known leader. He has proven he can teach rookies how to pro hockey. Brown and Kopitar can't be the only forwards to do that. The Kings probably need at least one on each line. The Kings are one of the youngest teams in the NHL. There will be growing pains with the rookies. By the time they get through them and they need RFA contracts, Brown and Carter's contracts will be over.

Carter's cap hit is manageable. No point to extending the cap damage from an ordinary buyout. As for a compliance buyout, the kings should look to take on somone else's cap dump for assets or picks. Some teams have multiple bad contracts.

 

[Rusty Batch]

If it is not a retooling, what would you call it?

What would I call 5 first round picks (3 of them lottery picks) 7 2nds over the past 4 drafts, the shedding of contracts and phasing out of almost all of our veterans. The influx of a large number of very highly ranked prospects?

That's called a rebuild.

 

[PumperNichol]

If you are looking to compliance buy someone out and re-sign them, I'd look at Doughty. A buy out this summer would lose doughty roughly 22 mil, but you resign him for 5 years at about 5 mil he makes more money, he's getting checks for the next 14 years, and it saves 5+ mil on our cap for the next 7 years. I don't think the league lets it fly but it would be nice

If you buyout a player they cannot play for you for a year.

 

[SFKingshomer]

If you buyout a player they cannot play for you for a year.

Or you can trade them to a team that intends to buyout said player and them re-sign them for much less ala Brooks Orpik.

 

[ricardfromage]

So, it looks like compliance buyouts will be a strong possibility at the end of the season Could Coronavirus Lead To The Return Of Compliance Buyouts?. Who, if anyone, should the Kings consider buying out? I would look to Carter, but Quick has played well enough to stick around. Thoughts?

You are significantly in tune with all things contractual on our boards I would say we are lucky to have you here. Can share your opinion(s) on the coming CBA? The where what and how's (how much how long etc)? I would be very interested to read your opinions on the subject. I have a couple of documents you might want to read too. (tg)

 

[KingLB]

As it relates to the cap and potential buyout(s), you absolutely take advantage. Lets say in the event their is no postseason, that $300M goes out the window, maybe the cap winds up $76M down from the projected 84-88. Yes, they still have plenty of space, but thinking about 21-22, when Iafallo would need a deal, Roy needs a deal, it's about more than this summer.

Id have to defer to the experts on the board, but I thought the cap was based on projections. And thus a loss of $300 mil this year is irrelevant to next years cap? (Assuming they see no virus spill over)

 

[Stimpythecat]

A reduction in the cap by itself hurts this summer's crop of RFA and UFAs. they would bear the brunt of it and not guys that already have contracts. I think it will probably be a flat cap with increased escrow instead so that evenly spreads the pain to all players.

 

[KopitarFAN]

Id have to defer to the experts on the board, but I thought the cap was based on projections. And thus a loss of $300 mil this year is irrelevant to next years cap? (Assuming they see no virus spill over)

Could Coronavirus Lead To The Return Of Compliance Buyouts?

Could the compliance buyout make a return appearance should the Coronavirus outbreak continue to prevent NHL action from returning? If NHL teams end up losing revenue due to missed games, the 2020-21 salary cap limit will at best be the low end of the league’s projection, which is $84MM. And that would still be a $2.5MM increase. More likely in the case of canceled games would be the salary cap remaining at $81.5MM or only increasing marginally.

Along the lines of what we saw coming out of the 12-13 lockout.

 

[KINGS17]

What would I call 5 first round picks (3 of them lottery picks) 7 2nds over the past 4 drafts, the shedding of contracts and phasing out of almost all of our veterans. The influx of a large number of very highly ranked prospects?

That's called a rebuild.

There is no confirmation a rebuild has been successful. You are assuming big progressions in a matter of a few years for a bunch of 19-20 year olds.

 

[Piston]

You are significantly in tune with all things contractual on our boards I would say we are lucky to have you here. Can share your opinion(s) on the coming CBA? The where what and how's (how much how long etc)? I would be very interested to read your opinions on the subject. I have a couple of documents you might want to read too. (tg)

Thanks for the compliment although I would hardly say that I am 'in tune' any more than any other fan. What I would say is that the trend, looking at MLB and the NFL, is to avoid work stoppages at any cost. The players are now making too much money to consider not playing, and the owners are seeing future revenue streams coming quickly in the form of international expansion and gambling. If you're a player making $200 K like players 30 years ago, you are willing to strike to get to $1 mm and a fair split of hockey income. If you're an average player today making $3 mm, you want to play so as to bank enough dollars to never have to work again. For the owners, you're OK splitting revenues with the players knowing that the pie is continuing to grow, perhaps dramatically.

That is not to say there are not matters that need to be worked out, but Donald Fehr is not going to get players to give up millions of dollars over those issues, hence his agreement to not opt out of the CBA this year as was his right. Compliance buyouts actually help the players overall as it is more cash going out (bought our players are paid a percentage of their contract) even if the salary cap remains unchanged. If you look at the NFL negotiations, a key issue was marijuana testing. It is a long physical season in the NHL with lots of aches and pains in addition to serious injuries. There is no reason players should not be able to take a non-addictive, organically grown substance to help them manage their pain as opposed to addictive opioids.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

There is not confirmation a rebuild has been successful. You are assuming big progressions in a matter of a few years for a bunch of 19-20 year olds.

Agree with you, though I wonder what the league will look like after this. I remember how much the landscape changed with the 2000s lockout, for example, with a guy like Brown. I know we want Vilardi et. al. to play, but imagine everyone getting healthy and growing for another 6 months, etc.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

What would I call 5 first round picks (3 of them lottery picks) 7 2nds over the past 4 drafts, the shedding of contracts and phasing out of almost all of our veterans. The influx of a large number of very highly ranked prospects?

That's called a rebuild.

Logistically speaking, how do you put those prospects on this team and make a cup run? Who could you get as a FA that is going to fit and make them a contender?

 

[Rusty Batch]

Logistically speaking, how do you put those prospects on this team and make a cup run? Who could you get as a FA that is going to fit and make them a contender?

Matthew Barzal is a RFA that we could aquire