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Same place the Brown is on the block rumor did in 2014 or whatever year it was. Scouts throwing crap on a wall.
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Same place the Brown is on the block rumor did in 2014 or whatever year it was. Scouts throwing crap on a wall.
Ziggy Stardust
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That was 2012, but that one actually had legit reporters like Bob McKenzie and Pierre LeBrun mentioning it, and there was talks of including Brown in a larger package to Columbus to acquire Rick Nash.
That's unlike this unsourced Jonathan Quick rumor that we're reading about for the first time.
Raccoon Jesus
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I think you respect whatever Quick wants to do at this point. If he's comfortable and wants to stay, let him. If he wants out, facilitate.
Quick is the best goalie in franchise history and one of the greatest American goalies of all time. And I don't think anyone can question his heart, ability, and dedication to this club.
Quick is the best goalie in franchise history and one of the greatest American goalies of all time. And I don't think anyone can question his heart, ability, and dedication to this club.
johnjm22
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I'm perfectly fine with a Petersen/Quick tandem moving forward. The Jedi and the Padawan. Seems like an ideal situation.
Their combined cap hits are only 6.6M which is perfectly reasonable to spend on the goaltending position. Their actual combined salaries next year will only be 4.3M, which I'm sure ownership likes.
Quick's salary next 3 seasons: 3.5M, 3M, 2.5M
Their combined cap hits are only 6.6M which is perfectly reasonable to spend on the goaltending position. Their actual combined salaries next year will only be 4.3M, which I'm sure ownership likes.
Quick's salary next 3 seasons: 3.5M, 3M, 2.5M
There's no log jam at the goalie position. Moving on from Quick will likely only happen if it can improve the team in a tangible way.
BringTheReign
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Petersen also doesn't need a new contract until the last year of Quick's current contract, which is perfect timing as well. Ideally, Quick is the 1B in the tandem by then, and he can ride into the sunset having helped this team get back to playing competitive hockey.
bouncesonly
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The only way I see Quick "mentoring" any goalie on the Kings is if he's retired. Otherwise, I assume he expects to play. If there's some team that wants him, trade him.
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Quick's role is going to be up to him. He's going to be given the opportunity to fight to keep the starting job, and if he wins games and puts up good numbers he's going to keep that job for another season or two. But if Petersen outperforms him, he'll have to chose between retiring, playing 30 games a season, or Rob trying to find a trade which is unlikely if the numbers aren't there.
Since Petersen was called up Quick has a record of 5-1-1, SV% of .951 and GAA of 1.54. Obviously the team has been fantastic in this stretch but I do think that Quick has a little more left in the tank than we've seen in the last year. The guy's got a rough, recent injury history and has been playing a bunch of meaningless games and his play reflected that. But now he's got a real threat to his job, he can't afford to play timid and worry about injury. I do think that if the season resumes or next season we will continue to see the best of him, but its a question of if his body can handle playing at that level for a sustained period of time. If it can't.....nobody's going to want to trade for him.
Since Petersen was called up Quick has a record of 5-1-1, SV% of .951 and GAA of 1.54. Obviously the team has been fantastic in this stretch but I do think that Quick has a little more left in the tank than we've seen in the last year. The guy's got a rough, recent injury history and has been playing a bunch of meaningless games and his play reflected that. But now he's got a real threat to his job, he can't afford to play timid and worry about injury. I do think that if the season resumes or next season we will continue to see the best of him, but its a question of if his body can handle playing at that level for a sustained period of time. If it can't.....nobody's going to want to trade for him.
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BringTheReign
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I may be misremembering, but Friedman said on his podcast that someone in league circles suggested a March Madness-style tournament in the situation where they only have time for shortened playoffs.
I understand why teams that would've made the playoffs this year would be against the idea since they'd have a chance of being eliminated by a non-playoff team (like us on a hot streak). However, I'd bet that the players and owners would all be for any type of high-stakes game as a way to recoup more revenue.
I highly doubt they could even put something like that together. They won't even have the available arenas to play the games. As soon as the NBA and NHL seasons are over, those arenas were immediately transitioned to other events and the operators can't legally boot those events without substantial compensation. I think they would be more likely to find a condensed version of the playoffs if possible. There is an equally likely possibility that the season is cancelled in its entirety if things extend into August as Trump just suggested they could.
Also, the NBA is going to be given a much higher priority than the NHL when it comes to the playoffs, TV and arena availability. The NHL isn't even in the same conversation when it comes to popularity. The NBA will eat first and the NHL will be given whatever leftovers are available.
I'm not sure any other events were booked, I mean, all arena events are on hold no matter what they are. If anything, Staples is wide open when leagues start up again.
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We have played 85% of the season. If it restarts this year let each team have a couple of practices, play a couple of games then have the playoff teams role into a 5 game series if it takes a bit longer into the summer knock a half dozen games off next seasons schedule. It sucks but better to be safe than sorry.
How crazy would it be to throw a big offersheet at Barzal this off-season. Say you offer like 12.5 Mil AAV for four years. It would cost us the next 4 1sts (But not until 2021 draft). We would have already added quite a few legit prospects to the best prospect pool in the league. Our cupboards would be full. We'd be banking on the picks we give up being mediocre firsts.
But I could see us competing for a playoff spot next year with a few roster changes and a youth infusion.
We will have plenty of cap space for the next three to five years, with all of the ELCs we will have.
It would be real hard for Barzal to turn that down and NYI to match.
But I could see us competing for a playoff spot next year with a few roster changes and a youth infusion.
We will have plenty of cap space for the next three to five years, with all of the ELCs we will have.
It would be real hard for Barzal to turn that down and NYI to match.
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King'sPawn
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I'm not a fan of offersheets to begin with. What makes it worse is the volatility of how things go season to season, where you have to all but guarantee high-end playoff performances for the next four seasons.
For example, the best four seasons on the Kings were 10-11, 11-12, 12-13, 13-14. Would you have been happy if the Kings threw four-1st round picks at a player of Barzal's caliber the year Vancouver ousted them in the first round, not knowing the following four years to come?
It depends what type of value you place on these first round picks. They don't have to all be late 1sts in order for the trade value to work out imo. If you look at one of those draft value charts, it is like a reverse exponential curve. Where the after pick #1 the value of each pick just plummets.
The realistic return on picks outside of the top 5 or so is not all that impressive.
Barzal is 22 and has been the best player on a playoff caliber team two years in a row. Guys like that have a ton of value.
After the 2020 draft the kings will have by far the best and deepest prospect pool in the league. And we will have years of no cap concerns.
Our prospect pool and cap space are positions of strength for us. Might as well use them.
King'sPawn
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The point is, one off-season can screw your entire franchise and direction. And prospects don't always pan out.
The offer sheets were iffy at best before. With the influx of teams trading a first round pick a year or two from now suddenly finding themselves in the bottom ten, it's not worth the risk. It's happened 4 times in the past decade:
Toronto with Tyler Seguin (2nd overall); 2010
Toronto with Dougie Hamilton (9th overall); 2011
Ottawa with Bowen Byram (4th overall); 2019
San Jose with the current 3rd overall; 2020
Barzal is phenomenal and one of the players I was hoping the Kings would take. But the parity of the league and uncertainty of promising prospects makes it a risk not worth taking. I'd consider it for a superstar like McDavid, only because he's genuinely a generational talent.
Hmmm. I think the uncertainty of the draft is a reason for why we would do this. Not why we shouldn't.
You also have an opportunity cost here. Kings have Kopitar and Doughty still playing at a very high level. Two players who have proven they can carry a team to Stanley cups. That is very rare. Kings also have a limited number of years where they will get cheap ELC production out of their current prospect pool. Given these two huge factors, it seems like our responsibility to go for it during this first window. 4 years from now Kopi might not be a Selke caliber player. Doughty might not be a #1 dman that can play half the game at an elite level. Those are hard spots to replace.
It seems like you are very worried about being on the losing side of the Value chart Barzal vs 4 unknown firsts. I'm not. I could see us winning or losing it depending on how it works out.
But a lineup of (put them together however you want)
Kopi-Kaliyev-Fagemo
Barzal-Turcotte-Kupari
Vilardi-Iafallo-Kempe
Thomas-Wagner-Prohorkin
Bjornfot-Doughty
Anderson-Drysdale
Walker-Roy
Petersen
Quick
That lineups looks ultra talented, young and competive.
That looks like a team that can win and do it soon. And if you can put a team that talented together then you do it.
You also have an opportunity cost here. Kings have Kopitar and Doughty still playing at a very high level. Two players who have proven they can carry a team to Stanley cups. That is very rare. Kings also have a limited number of years where they will get cheap ELC production out of their current prospect pool. Given these two huge factors, it seems like our responsibility to go for it during this first window. 4 years from now Kopi might not be a Selke caliber player. Doughty might not be a #1 dman that can play half the game at an elite level. Those are hard spots to replace.
It seems like you are very worried about being on the losing side of the Value chart Barzal vs 4 unknown firsts. I'm not. I could see us winning or losing it depending on how it works out.
But a lineup of (put them together however you want)
Kopi-Kaliyev-Fagemo
Barzal-Turcotte-Kupari
Vilardi-Iafallo-Kempe
Thomas-Wagner-Prohorkin
Bjornfot-Doughty
Anderson-Drysdale
Walker-Roy
Petersen
Quick
That lineups looks ultra talented, young and competive.
That looks like a team that can win and do it soon. And if you can put a team that talented together then you do it.
bouncesonly
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Are there any special caveats when it comes to offer sheets and expansion drafts? Are RFA's with offer sheets exempt from the expansion draft selection? Do they burn up one of the protected positions?
Inclined to agree with Rusty, go for broke for the next 4 years with the draft pics and prospects that we have. One last hurrah with 8/11/32 (if he's still around?)
Inclined to agree with Rusty, go for broke for the next 4 years with the draft pics and prospects that we have. One last hurrah with 8/11/32 (if he's still around?)
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BringTheReign
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How do we get Drysdale if we offer sheet Barzal? They gave Lee 7M AAV and Pageau 5M AAV. There's no way they don't match unless we're in the 4 1st round pick territory.
bouncesonly
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Hypothetically.......2020 Draft ends June 27, Kings draft Drysdale. Barzal's 50m AAV offer sheet is signed July 1, Kings lose 4 first round pics in 2021, 22, 23, 24, 25 (Kings get to choose 4 of those years....not sure when or how?)...and are in cap hell forever
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BringTheReign
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Hypothetically.......2020 Draft ends June 27, Kings draft Drysdale. Barzal's 50m AAV offer sheet is signed July 1, Kings lose 4 first round pics in 2021, 22, 23, 24...and are in cap hell forever
Good point, the draft lags in terms of which contract year it's in. I did not think of that. Personally, I'd hope we wouldn't draft Drysdale, but in this fantasyland where we are also getting Barzal, I see the logic of taking the best D available.
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