2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[bland]

He is the country club, beach surfer culture Dean tried so hard to avoid. Where is paying a soft, one dimensional scorer going to get us for the next couple years?

I hope he does score 30 for another team, but there is no reason to bring him back.

He isn't one dimensional, but he isn't scoring enough here with this group of centers to justify re-signing.

Toffoli is solid defensively and very good at boardwork. If the Kings had some legitimate playmaking centers, especially ones with speed who could open lanes, no doubt at all that Toffoli would push 30 goals annually. Just like with Kovalchuk, this group of centers is a very poor fit for offensive wingers.

 

[Seventyx7]

He isn't one dimensional, but he isn't scoring enough here with this group of centers to justify re-signing.

Toffoli is solid defensively and very good at boardwork. If the Kings had some legitimate playmaking centers, especially ones with speed who could open lanes, no doubt at all that Toffoli would push 30 goals annually. Just like with Kovalchuk, this group of centers is a very poor fit for offensive wingers.

He's pretty one dimensional, I don't think he is "strong enough on the boards" to change that. At least in my opinion.

Sure, he'll score more goals with the right center. Nobody is saying he can't score goals. But he isn't going to score 30 here, and isn't really doing anything else..

The Kings need to turn the page. If Clifford was shipped out and TT extended, that would be a real problem. Coming back would clearly be about staying with the boys at the beach, not about winning or trying to be a leader to the next group.

 

[Bandit]

He isn't one dimensional, but he isn't scoring enough here with this group of centers to justify re-signing.

Toffoli is solid defensively and very good at boardwork. If the Kings had some legitimate playmaking centers, especially ones with speed who could open lanes, no doubt at all that Toffoli would push 30 goals annually. Just like with Kovalchuk, this group of centers is a very poor fit for offensive wingers.

 

[bland]

Not sure what you are getting at, but if you think that 2020 Jeff Carter is the same guy that helped get Toffoli 30 five years ago you might need some sort of professional consultation.

 

[Bandit]

Not sure what you are getting at, but if you think that 2020 Jeff Carter is the same guy that helped get Toffoli 30 five years ago you might need some sort of professional consultation.

You probably should have stopped there then. I was pointing out that as far back as 2013 Penner was throwing shade at Carter for not passing to his wingers. Put another way, I was agreeing with you.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Bob McKenzie lists a slew of teams being interested in Martinez since he has an extra year on his contract, and the going rate is a 2nd and a prospect.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Kings expect to be busy ahead of Trade Deadline, GM says
Blake discusses strategy, ongoing rebuild, trying to be patient with NHL.com

Kings expect to be busy ahead of Trade Deadline, GM says

Please pretty standard stuff in here...

You've already made one trade. Do you see this deadline -- especially because of the number of players you have that are pending UFAs -- as a best-chance scenario to push ahead the plan to rebuild the roster?
"I think yes with the number of unrestricted free agents. We know we have to get some of these kids playing too. A lot of them have had the accumulation of the season in the minors and we'll stick to that plan going forward, but that kind of plays out here as we go."

Fair to say that you're just in the market for picks and prospects now?
"Yes. We've been very vocal this year about that. Last year and this year when we sat back and we looked at the structure of our team structure, the contracts, expiring contracts at hand, and the lack of draft picks over the years there, we had to replenish that. Last year and this year, the main focus has been on that."

I thought this answer, or lack there of, was revealing.

Is there a window here that you're looking at for this rebuild, for when the Kings will be ready to compete for a playoff spot again?

"There's things we look at. You can go over the you know the statistical analysis of a first rounder and a second rounder and these types of picks and when they do play in the NHL. But then it's one thing just to play in the NHL, but to be competitive in NHL and to put up points is another thing. We know there is a process to it."

So it’s a 5 year rebuild based on what was said.

 

[raswilliam]

another ufa defenseman injury. The price for Martinez just keeps going up.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Sorry guys I like Martinez especially the last few games. Fighting Czizkas and all over Tkachuk. I would keep him.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Everything?

It has been perfectly clear that this was the only road to follow throughout Blake's tenure, yet he has only made two trades of prominent veteran players for future assets.

Let's hope for the best, but wait and see.

Because in a hard cap league, it is not easy to trade older players with term for future assets. It's also not easy to trade players at their lowest value due to how bad the team/player currently is. You can't blow things up quickly anymore. This is not 1998. It is a slow, boring, methodical process.

He isn't one dimensional, but he isn't scoring enough here with this group of centers to justify re-signing.

Toffoli is solid defensively and very good at boardwork. If the Kings had some legitimate playmaking centers, especially ones with speed who could open lanes, no doubt at all that Toffoli would push 30 goals annually. Just like with Kovalchuk, this group of centers is a very poor fit for offensive wingers.

Or have Lucic opening up space. Either way, Toffoli is a completely dependent winger.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I thought this answer, or lack there of, was revealing.



So it’s a 5 year rebuild based on what was said.

Last year, this year, next year is already thrown away, but more young guys get some time, and then 21-22 is when just making the playoffs would become an expectation again. After that year, Brown and Carter are done, assuming they haven't been traded at the 2022 deadline, and then larger expectations for 22-23.

All of that again assuming that some of the guys drafted in or after 2017 are a real core. If they're not, then they have to rebuild again.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Sorry guys I like Martinez especially the last few games. Fighting Czizkas and all over Tkachuk. I would keep him.

I would too unless the return is too good to pass up. You can't trade everyone and need some vets around for the next wave.

 

[KINGS17]

Because in a hard cap league, it is not easy to trade older players with term for future assets. It's also not easy to trade players at their lowest value due to how bad the team/player currently is. You can't blow things up quickly anymore. This is not 1998. It is a slow, boring, methodical process.

GMs will adjust. The salary cap is here to stay.

 

[bland]

You probably should have stopped there then. I was pointing out that as far back as 2013 Penner was throwing shade at Carter for not passing to his wingers. Put another way, I was agreeing with you.

Not my finest moment...

 

[AzKing]

I would too unless the return is too good to pass up. You can't trade everyone and need some vets around for the next wave.

The Kings need assets. It's business. You have a market for his services and you need young, controllable assets. He isn't going to sign as a UFA to stay on a rebuild most likely and his value is at a high right now. I like AMart, a lot but this is a teardown and you have to get what you can at this point so you can pivot at a future date.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

For those who question the Kings direction now, I wonder if they were around to experience this trade.


Now that’s the type of deal that would make you ponder what direction the team is headed in. Like trading Cernak for a rental backup goalie.

 

[The Tikkanen]

A disastrous deal.

 

[AzKing]

For those who question the Kings direction now, I wonder if they were around to experience this trade.


Now that’s the type of deal that would make you ponder what direction the team is headed in. Like trading Cernak for a rental backup goalie.

That Cernak deal is still one that defies logic. There is nothing to explain it that makes sense other than a desperation move by a GM that is seeing the end of their term.

 

[kovacro]

Ugh, don't remind me about that deal. I was none too pleased at the time.

The disaster Sam McMaster.

 

[AmadiosAmigos]

Hockey Central today (Sportsnet in Canada) plus credible twitter guys suggesting that Caps plus a few other teams have strong interest in Lewis, possibly around a 3rd Round Pick. Also mentioned Caps inquiring about Forbort, other teams showing some level of interest, price not mentioned.

Seem like one of the few Kings fans that has loved Lewis body of work from start to finish, regardless of expectations. Type of support players winning teams need. Hoping these rumours are true and we get something for both of them.

Toffoli and AMart should be easier sells.

For those saying we need vets around - we have Kopitar, Doughty, Brown, Quick, and more then likely Carter. How many more vets do we need? Its not as if Iafallo, Kempe, Moore, Frk require veterans to be around.

 

[redcard]

Hockey Central today (Sportsnet in Canada) plus credible twitter guys suggesting that Caps plus a few other teams have strong interest in Lewis, possibly around a 3rd Round Pick. Also mentioned Caps inquiring about Forbort, other teams showing some level of interest, price not mentioned.

Seem like one of the few Kings fans that has loved Lewis body of work from start to finish, regardless of expectations. Type of support players winning teams need. Hoping these rumours are true and we get something for both of them.

Toffoli and AMart should be easier sells.

For those saying we need vets around - we have Kopitar, Doughty, Brown, Quick, and more then likely Carter. How many more vets do we need? Its not as if Iafallo, Kempe, Moore, Frk require veterans to be around.

If we just need roster fodder to fill the voided roster spots, I'm available. Been working on my slapper, can almost miss the net as well as this team.

 

[Brodeur]

For those who question the Kings direction now, I wonder if they were around to experience this trade.

Definitely a strange deal in the moment. Also turned out weird in that Fuhr stunk in LA then rebounded immediately for the Blues the following season; I had forgotten Fuhr got run in that playoff and it was Jon Casey in net for the memorable Steve Yzerman series clincher.

Not sure how much of it was urban legend, but apparently Zhitnik had some run ins with the local Russian mafia. So sending him to Buffalo was almost done so that he couldn't anger the wrong people. Boucher was 21 and a recent first rounder, although I don't remember how people felt about him in 1995. He did breakout later in his career but unfortunately for the Kings, Boucher was able to exercise Group V free agency and signed with Dallas.

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

I check my phone daily to see if a move has happened and nope not yet. But it's ok though. Somebody once said the best move is the one you don't make. So let's just hope for the best deal.

 

[kings11]

He isn't one dimensional, but he isn't scoring enough here with this group of centers to justify re-signing.

Toffoli is solid defensively and very good at boardwork. If the Kings had some legitimate playmaking centers, especially ones with speed who could open lanes, no doubt at all that Toffoli would push 30 goals annually. Just like with Kovalchuk, this group of centers is a very poor fit for offensive wingers.

This is obvious and GMs around the league know this which is why they keep mentioning his low scoring as a leverage ploy.. We have Kopitar and 9 guys who are bottom 6 players on a good team..

 

[kings11]

If we just need roster fodder to fill the voided roster spots, I'm available. Been working on my slapper, can almost miss the net as well as this team.

Sure you can... you f***en ringer!!! you'd probably score a goal and cost us the 1st overall pick!!!!!!!!