2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[The Tikkanen]

If Montreal gets a third round pick for Kovy I will lose my poopies.

You better diaper up.

 

[KingsHockey24]

How's his wraparound?

Fro's wrap around was unstoppable.

Even his last year playing hockey he made goalies look silly.

 

[KingsCourt]

If Montreal gets a third round pick for Kovy I will lose my poopies.

completely different scenario ...2 years @6M vs 1yr @ 700K

 

[kovacro]

LAK already have a plethora of "smallish" dmen in the prospect pool. I'd see if they can get Jordan Kyrou if dealing with STL, already has a few NHL games under his belt.

Really good player and I would be surprised if they moved him, let alone for a rental like Toffoli.

I think he will be a mainstay in their top 6 in a few years,

 

[kings11]

Really good player and I would be surprised if they moved him, let alone for a rental like Toffoli.

I think he will be a mainstay in their top 6 in a few years,

What I bolded from your statement is what people dont understand...
A team like STL isnt looking at Toffoli as a rental, they're looking at Tyler as the missing piece to winning another cup! Could that be worth Kyrou, quite possibly

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Dealing Toffoli is table stakes because he is a UFAs who should not be resigned for what he costs in the free market. Still a ways to go and he’s producing better than last year, but it kind of stinks that he could sign somewhere for $4+ million a season next year, but not be worth either a first or a #2/3 prospect at this trade deadline.

I think they’ll end up keeping Martinez because they won’t be happy with the returns and throw out the excuse that he can be moved in the summer or next season when he’s a UFAs.

For that reason I see one other dman being traded, likely Hutton for a low pick or Forbort for a 4th rounder.

I think they let any remaining UFAs walk in the summer except Clifford who they bring back on a 4 year, $2m / year type of deal.

Possible but I use the Muzzin situation as a model, they actually LIKED the extra year of term, not a pure rental, at great value.

What I bolded from your statement is what people dont understand...
A team like STL isnt looking at Toffoli as a rental, they're looking at Tyler as the missing piece to winning another cup! Could that be worth Kyrou, quite possibly

The x-factor there is salary. If I'm STL, I probably roll with the cost-controlled youngster. They already have a tough issue with Pietrangelo, adding salary isn't really an option. If I'm STL, I don't trade Kyrou straight up

 

[kings11]

Possible but I use the Muzzin situation as a model, they actually LIKED the extra year of term, not a pure rental, at great value.




The x-factor there is salary. If I'm STL, I probably roll with the cost-controlled youngster. They already have a tough issue with Pietrangelo, adding salary isn't really an option. If I'm STL, I don't trade Kyrou straight up

Unless you have Crosby and Malkin, you're cup window is 4-6 years... Nyrou coul deasily be replaced by Kostin.. Salary for this season doesnt mean much since we'd likely retain.. and they have Steen coming off the books after next season so they be ok if they do it right

 

[DoktorJeep]

Possible but I use the Muzzin situation as a model, they actually LIKED the extra year of term, not a pure rental, at great value

Marty’s steadily increasing age coupled with steadily decreasing games played plus production means the value of his contract doesn’t outweigh the low value of his expected contribution.

Based on his play over the last two seasons, he doesn’t crack the top 4 on a cup contender. No way someone pays $4m and gives up significant futures for someone who would be best at 10 minutes TOI and PK minutes. The only way the return is upped for Martinez is if salary is retained or the Kings sweeten the offer. Which I don’t think management wants to do.

There’s always a chance of suckering another GM into an overpayment, but the odds are low. They’ll likely keep Martinez for this year. It’s just another punt in my expectation.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Marty’s steadily increasing age coupled with steadily decreasing games played plus production means the value of his contract doesn’t outweigh the low value of his expected contribution.

Based on his play over the last two seasons, he doesn’t crack the top 4 on a cup contender. No way someone pays $4m and gives up significant futures for someone who would be best at 10 minutes TOI and PK minutes. The only way the return is upped for Martinez is if salary is retained or the Kings sweeten the offer. Which I don’t think management wants to do.

There’s always a chance of suckering another GM into an overpayment, but the odds are low. They’ll likely keep Martinez for this year. It’s just another punt in my expectation.

If your team is good enough that you have the luxury of giving Alec Martinez less minutes than Kurtis Macdermid, then yeah, you're going for it.

I think you're severely underrating Martinez, and we heard this same "but there's an extra year" line last season with Muzzin, too.

Martinez has the 90th-highest cap hit amongst NHL d-men and is getting the same as Gudbrandson and Kris Russel. He's versatile in that he can play all situations, bigger minutes, and both sides. With the going rate for defensemen, and the expectation that we'll be keeping forbort, Martinez is arguably the best available d-man, unless you need more offensive specialist like Vatanen.

 

[Choralone]

Based on quotes I've been reading lately, teams seem to want that extra year when they make that deadline trade, which is different than the past when it seems they preferred pure rentals.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Based on quotes I've been reading lately, teams seem to want that extra year when they make that deadline trade, which is different than the past when it seems they preferred pure rentals.

Could this be because of Seattle entering the league?

 

[tny760]

Fro's wrap around was unstoppable.

Even his last year playing hockey he made goalies look silly.

if anyone's interested that channel apparently live streams asia league games now and again, the youtube algorithm got me and fed me a game that's live right now

not actually half bad hockey, systems wise looks very familiar but they're definitely a step down skills wise

fun to watch regardless

 

[KingsHockey24]

if anyone's interested that channel apparently live streams asia league games now and again, the youtube algorithm got me and fed me a game that's live right now

not actually half bad hockey, systems wise looks very familiar but they're definitely a step down skills wise

fun to watch regardless

Correct. I watched a good amount of Daemyung Killerwhale games when Frolov was on it.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Fro's wrap around was unstoppable

Whoa, pump the brakes.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Whoa, pump the brakes.

Even his last goal as a King was a wrap around against Luongo in game 6 of the 2010 playoffs.

I feel silly for remembering this.

 

[KingsFan7824]

LAK already have a plethora of "smallish" dmen in the prospect pool. I'd see if they can get Jordan Kyrou if dealing with STL, already has a few NHL games under his belt.

It all depends on the demand for Toffoli. The Blues are getting Tarasenko back. Blake might not be in the driver's seat in terms of leverage, so, they'll get what they get.

If Montreal gets a third round pick for Kovy I will lose my poopies.

As was said, they're not comparable situations. The Kings were the suckers, time to move on.

Marty’s steadily increasing age coupled with steadily decreasing games played plus production means the value of his contract doesn’t outweigh the low value of his expected contribution.

Based on his play over the last two seasons, he doesn’t crack the top 4 on a cup contender. No way someone pays $4m and gives up significant futures for someone who would be best at 10 minutes TOI and PK minutes. The only way the return is upped for Martinez is if salary is retained or the Kings sweeten the offer. Which I don’t think management wants to do.

There’s always a chance of suckering another GM into an overpayment, but the odds are low. They’ll likely keep Martinez for this year. It’s just another punt in my expectation.

He never cracked the top 4 on a contender. He should've been dealt at the 2015 deadline, if not 2014 to get more value(considering the Kings ran 7 deep that year, and look what he did with Johnson in 2012), but we know DL and his loyalty to assets. 6 years for a 3rd pair d-man. Crazy.

Based on quotes I've been reading lately, teams seem to want that extra year when they make that deadline trade, which is different than the past when it seems they preferred pure rentals.

Probably depends on the player in question.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

He never cracked the top 4 on a contender. He should've been dealt at the 2015 deadline, if not 2014 to get more value(considering the Kings ran 7 deep that year, and look what he did with Johnson in 2012), but we know DL and his loyalty to assets. 6 years for a 3rd pair d-man. Crazy.

On a contender he could easily play #4 and should be playing bottom pairing. We could also retain. A year and a third of Martinez at 2m on your third pairing would be phenomenal for a team looking to go deep.

People have a tendency to undervalue assets on bad teams and overvalue assets on great teams because of their literal current performance vs. how they would be used post-move.

Robyn Regehr got 2 2nds when people thought he was cooked, same age as Marty.

 

[KingsFan7824]

On a contender he could easily play #4 and should be playing bottom pairing. We could also retain. A year and a third of Martinez at 2m on your third pairing would be phenomenal for a team looking to go deep.

People have a tendency to undervalue assets on bad teams and overvalue assets on great teams because of their literal current performance vs. how they would be used post-move.

Robyn Regehr got 2 2nds when people thought he was cooked, same age as Marty.

If Martinez is top 4, your top 3 better be top notch. But yes, Martinez at $2m on your 3rd pair, that works.

The difference between Regehr and Martinez would be that Regehr had the pedigree. He led the Flames in ice time in the 03-04 playoffs. 2nd in 05-06. Hurt in 06-07. 2nd in 07-08. Martinez was 6th in 10-11. 6th out of 6 d-men in 2012, hurt and in and out of the lineup in 2013 so it's weird, and then 4th in total time in 2014, but 7th in average time because of the various injuries to others. 2nd in 17-18 though.

Martinez just isn't that guy, but value at a deadline isn't always determined by that.

 

[Bandit]

Fro's wrap around was unstoppable.

You’re right, it was impossible to stop Frolov from trying wraparounds that rarely worked. I love Fro but that move had a very low success rate.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If Martinez is top 4, your top 3 better be top notch. But yes, Martinez at $2m on your 3rd pair, that works.

The difference between Regehr and Martinez would be that Regehr had the pedigree. He led the Flames in ice time in the 03-04 playoffs. 2nd in 05-06. Hurt in 06-07. 2nd in 07-08. Martinez was 6th in 10-11. 6th out of 6 d-men in 2012, hurt and in and out of the lineup in 2013 so it's weird, and then 4th in total time in 2014, but 7th in average time because of the various injuries to others. 2nd in 17-18 though.

Martinez just isn't that guy, but value at a deadline isn't always determined by that.

I think my bigger thing here is just that there's also not much else available.

 

[Butch 19]

Fro's wrap around was unstoppable.

Even his last year playing hockey he made goalies look silly.

LOL - Please... don't make me go all poke check on your ***

 

[KingsFan7824]

I think my bigger thing here is just that there's also not much else available.

100% helps. At the same time, and we do this, we did it with Lucic, you don't necessarily want to pay a premium price for a non-premium player, regardless of the situation. How many of the real contenders need Martinez? Is Martinez the kind of player that lifts an average playoff team to contender status? Would Regehr have been worth it in 2013, if the team doesn't win in 2014, when Regehr got hurt long before they won?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

There certainly isn’t a long list of attractive names who are available at this year’s deadline. I’m not even sure if it’s a buyer’s or seller’s market this year. The options are limited, and nobody in particular stands out as being a “missing piece” like when the Kings added Jeff Carter or Marian Gaborik. This year’s deadline is more like those years when the likes of Dustin Penner, Jeff Halpern and Fredrik Modin are looked upon as attractive complimentary players.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Petry is considered this years Muzzin. Which is a joke.

Would be funny if he ends up in Edmonton for puljarvi.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Petry is considered this years Muzzin. Which is a joke.

Would be funny if he ends up in Edmonton for puljarvi.

Petry is a pretty damn good dman, but he’s also two years older and carries a $5.5M cap hit with another year remaining on his contract. I’m sure he’ll generate a decent amount of interest, especially being a right shot who can log tons of minutes.