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He was aware, it was just a question of how he’s going to deconstruct the roster.
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He was aware, it was just a question of how he’s going to deconstruct the roster.
BallPointHammer
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Toffoli's goal last night vs TBL shouted "1st round draft choice" for the trade deadline.
Rob Blake - DO NOT trade Clifford. His value far far exceeds another draft choice. "Trade-him-resign-him" is a low class contradictory strategy.
Rob Blake - DO NOT trade Clifford. His value far far exceeds another draft choice. "Trade-him-resign-him" is a low class contradictory strategy.
Why? They could have just let him run the team into the ground the rest of the year just like WD did, then fired him. Result would have been basically the same: a top 5 pick.
tny760
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clifford's a tough one, he doesn't really fight any more, he doesn't really hit any more, he's a good soldier but we have lots of good soldiers and nothing to show for it. he's not the problem by any means though
holding onto him seems like another half-measure in a long list of half-measures. gotta pull the plug at some point
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
That 'higher priced vets' line about guys making 5m is such garbage when you have guys like Skinner making 9m and Bob making 10.
It's like people aren't paying attnetion to the new market reality.
It's like people aren't paying attnetion to the new market reality.
BallPointHammer
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Even though he's a 4th liner, the last couple years he's playing better than ever, which is more than can be said about most of the veterans. His leadership may be more impactful than anyone else on the team too.
Steve Zissou
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Need veteran leadership on and off the ice while the young guns develop. You don't get much better (esp. for the price) than Kyle Clifford.
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Ziggy Stardust
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Steve Zissou
I'll order you a red cap and a Speedo.
KingsFan7824
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If that's low class, however that gets defined, then don't re-sign him if you trade him? If Clifford can bring something back, deal him. You can find a veteran to babysit. The market is flooded with them. Although if he was dealt, and he wanted to come back cheaply, that's fine too. The Kings are in the lower class, so, act accordingly.
And how is that even contradictory? Trade the asset for a few months, and if he wants to come back so badly, then you've improved the team twice over.
It's the age and years remaining for the guys on the Kings. If Carter had a $10m cap hit, but this was his last year, it would be easier to trade him than it currently would be. Even at $2.6m, who needs Carter for 2 more years after this one? Then you have to account for him. You either have to have a spot for him, or go through the trouble of sending him to the AHL, or buying him out, it becomes a whole thing. Of course if people would accept a lower return, and probably a contract coming back, we finally wouldn't have to see Carter anymore, but then we're stuck with whatever other crap comes back. At least it wouldn't be Carter though, so maybe there's value in change just to change.
KingsHockey24
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I mean he's tied for 4th in fighting majors this season sooo...
Clifford went from a 12 point 100 PIM player to a 20+ point two way player and I'm just fine with that.
Raccoon Jesus
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I'm with you there, but you're scratching under the surface like I am. That's my real criticism. That author and so many others are going "5 MILLION?!? THAT'S SO MUCH MONEY" when the real concern is actually term and roster spot. especially because we could retain.
kovacro
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What we have continued to speculate. If we can get that return for TT, i'd be totally fine with it...
Blues 2018 draft pick Scott Perunovich is a smallish defenseman at 5' 9" who is putting up pretty good numbers this year at Minn-Duluth. Might be the type of prospect that could be added to a potential deal.
Not sure if the Blues would move Klim Kostin who is currently in San Antonio. He's only had a cup of coffee with the big club. Numbers on the farm don't particularly stand out. In all honesty haven't seen much of the kid to really comment. Just throwing a name out there who could fit.
"With the St. Louis Blues in a repeat bid for the Stanley Cup, Jeremy Rutherford of The Athletic identified 10 top-six forwards the club could pursue ahead of the trade deadline.
Rutherford believes that acquiring Toffoli could cost the Blues a second-round pick plus a prospect, while the lack of options on the centre market could allow the Senators to raise their price on Pageau to a first-round pick and a prospect. Kovalchuk, he writes, could likely be had from the Montreal Canadiens for a third-round pick, a good return considering the team only signed him earlier this month."
Countdown to TradeCentre: Can the Boston Bruins move David Backes? - TSN.ca
Blues 2018 draft pick Scott Perunovich is a smallish defenseman at 5' 9" who is putting up pretty good numbers this year at Minn-Duluth. Might be the type of prospect that could be added to a potential deal.
Not sure if the Blues would move Klim Kostin who is currently in San Antonio. He's only had a cup of coffee with the big club. Numbers on the farm don't particularly stand out. In all honesty haven't seen much of the kid to really comment. Just throwing a name out there who could fit.
"With the St. Louis Blues in a repeat bid for the Stanley Cup, Jeremy Rutherford of The Athletic identified 10 top-six forwards the club could pursue ahead of the trade deadline.
Rutherford believes that acquiring Toffoli could cost the Blues a second-round pick plus a prospect, while the lack of options on the centre market could allow the Senators to raise their price on Pageau to a first-round pick and a prospect. Kovalchuk, he writes, could likely be had from the Montreal Canadiens for a third-round pick, a good return considering the team only signed him earlier this month."
Countdown to TradeCentre: Can the Boston Bruins move David Backes? - TSN.ca
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I think Kostin and a 2nd would be a good return for Toffoli.
Kostin sounds like Frolov 2.0. Sign me up.
Kostin sounds like Frolov 2.0. Sign me up.
FrozenKing18
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I understood his firing. I didn't understand WD as a replacement. If they still thought the team could be good with a better coach, hiring WD doesn't make sense. If they're tanking, WD doesn't make sense if they're already sucking. WD doesn't make sense I think is the general idea here.
LAK already have a plethora of "smallish" dmen in the prospect pool. I'd see if they can get Jordan Kyrou if dealing with STL, already has a few NHL games under his belt.
Ziggy Stardust
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Does it really matter? The coach they wanted to hire wasn't available at the time and they filled that spot who had experience coaching in the division and conference. He was a temporary filler who was never going to be brought on full-time. Just like when the Kings brought on John Torchetti to finish up the 2006 season.
Did anybody here truly expect Desjardins to lead the Kings to a playoff spot? Lip service from the organization aside, who obviously aren't going to admit one month into the season they're packing it in because of ticket sales, point to me how anyone suggested the Kings would still be competing for a playoff spot when Desjardins was brought on. Most of us on here were already looking ahead to the draft by October.
Being upset over Willie Desjardins is simply another case of people bitching for the sake of bitching.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
Dealing Toffoli is table stakes because he is a UFAs who should not be resigned for what he costs in the free market. Still a ways to go and he’s producing better than last year, but it kind of stinks that he could sign somewhere for $4+ million a season next year, but not be worth either a first or a #2/3 prospect at this trade deadline.
I think they’ll end up keeping Martinez because they won’t be happy with the returns and throw out the excuse that he can be moved in the summer or next season when he’s a UFAs.
For that reason I see one other dman being traded, likely Hutton for a low pick or Forbort for a 4th rounder.
I think they let any remaining UFAs walk in the summer except Clifford who they bring back on a 4 year, $2m / year type of deal.
I think they’ll end up keeping Martinez because they won’t be happy with the returns and throw out the excuse that he can be moved in the summer or next season when he’s a UFAs.
For that reason I see one other dman being traded, likely Hutton for a low pick or Forbort for a 4th rounder.
I think they let any remaining UFAs walk in the summer except Clifford who they bring back on a 4 year, $2m / year type of deal.
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