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Vet Movement - What's the Maatta?
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We are not moving Peterson or any other prospect and picks for short term gains. Come TDL I expect us to be sellers and call up some of the prospects to fill the voids.
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We are not moving Peterson or any other prospect and picks for short term gains. Come TDL I expect us to be sellers and call up some of the prospects to fill the voids.
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I know that there was talk about calls for Toffoli and Clifford too. But if they were good offers, they could have been traded, The offers must have been subpar.
My point is - all these veteran players the Kings need to move, there will not be any Muzzin type deals, where the Kings get a good return like that.
Muzzin fetched a #1 pick and 2 former #2 picks - Durzi and Grundstrom. That's a #1 and 2, #2's, essentially. I don't think any of the other
vets will get real asset value back. The ship sailed over 2 years ago for them to get anything for Carter, Toffoli, Martinez, Quick, Lewis.
Clifford and Martinez have some value, but nothing more than a #2 pick at best and more than likely , less. Martinez will be 33 next year.
My point is 'the rebuild' will be eventually seeing those players gone, along with Kovalchuk, but there will be no asset value in return. For teams to take on some of those players, Kings may have to eat some salary or add an asset. It will be more about just shedding cap and making room for youth...in other franchise rebuilds, they have usually have some veterans that get a good asset return to go towards the rebuild - just like the Muzzin trade - only, Muzzin was / is the only one in the above group that actually enabled the Kings to get very good return in: Bjornfot, Durzi and Grundstrom.
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As you say PJB II, anyone we move out will be about making room for younger guys. Given our cap situation there is no need to make cap space. So until prospects are properly ready we let the vets take the pain.
I think there’s the potential for some decent picks in return but it will obviously depend on how well guys bounce back. The likes of Toffoli and Cater will need a decent body of work behind them this season before anyone pulls the trigger. That’s why trades won’t be done unless one of the guys in the AHL is really hammering the door down.
I think the area most likely to see something happen in the near future is on the blue line. If Anderson, for example, settles quickly I can see him getting an opportunity to claim a spot full time as whomever he replaced would only need to be waived and has no asset value.
I think there’s the potential for some decent picks in return but it will obviously depend on how well guys bounce back. The likes of Toffoli and Cater will need a decent body of work behind them this season before anyone pulls the trigger. That’s why trades won’t be done unless one of the guys in the AHL is really hammering the door down.
I think the area most likely to see something happen in the near future is on the blue line. If Anderson, for example, settles quickly I can see him getting an opportunity to claim a spot full time as whomever he replaced would only need to be waived and has no asset value.
DoktorJeep
Fair winds and following seas Nikolai.
I think there is a better chance Kovy is traded before Carter.
Bigger cap hit, but shorter term. More cash due, but only $250k, easily covered by retention.
Better recent point production in fewer games logged. Will probably produce this year if he and Doughty swap positions on PP1.
Easier to sell getting rid of to casual fans.
Bigger cap hit, but shorter term. More cash due, but only $250k, easily covered by retention.
Better recent point production in fewer games logged. Will probably produce this year if he and Doughty swap positions on PP1.
Easier to sell getting rid of to casual fans.
With that said, I will remind you and Bond that GMs tend to overpay for players they feel can play a significant role on their teams. How a Kings player is currently performing is not an indication of the way he'd play in a different system with better players that might afford him the space, lanes, passing ability, etc.... we currently lack.
Should we expect a Muzzin return? NO. None of our tradeable players are worth that but would better play for Martinez, Toffoli or Lewis warrent a 1st, 2nd or a 3rd? possibly, especially if we retain 25%-50%..
I'd be happy for 2 extra 2nds an extra 3rd and 4th for this upcoming draft
For a team near the floor, a Jeff Carter would be ideal..
Two more years after this season
$5.27 cap hit
$2 mill the next 2 seasons in actually salary
could still be a 3C
Did I mention we'd retain
If we are close to playoff contention I coul dsay look at the STL Blues, last season tehy had the wrose record near the TDL and won the SC.
WE are not the STL Blues! we dont have their depth, we cant score likel tehy can and we sure as hell dont have the Defensemen they have.
So, to answer your question....
If we are in playoff contention, that means Toffoli, Lewsi, Carter, Kovy, Martinez, Hutton and possibly Quick and/or Campbell rebounded in a positive productive way...
SELL... SELL... SELL!!!
And we can still keep the kids on the Farm to protect them from the shit show that would occur after the TDL... Bring up and/or play the following and let them let a spot heading into next season.
Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown
Grundstrom-Amadio-Carter.. Kovy Traded
Kempe-Lizotte-Wagner... Toffoli Traded
Clifford-JAD-Luff... Lewis Traded
Frk-
Bjornfot-Doughty
Forbort-Clague/Brinkley/Roy/Walker
Anderson-Martinez.. I think Amart likely stays on teh team for mentoring purposes
MacDermid
Quick-Petersen... I think some team jumps on Campbell and he pulls a Darcy Keumper
Guaranteed top 5 pick!
I think saying there is a chance is underselling it. I think it is likely if both are moved it is kvalchuk moved first. There were reports teams were interested at last years deadline, LA can retain some salary, and the biggest thing is I think he has more left in the tank then Carter.
Retaining would do nothing for a team trying to reach the flow. Retention would be for a contending team to take him on.For a team near the floor, a Jeff Carter would be ideal..
Two more years after this season
$5.27 cap hit
$2 mill the next 2 seasons in actually salary
could still be a 3C
Did I mention we'd retain
You never know... theres always a cheap bastard out there..
Imagine being able to get a 3C and maybe a bottom pairing Dman for free simply because a team like us want to rid of said contract.. or am i giving GMs too much credit
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Someone get Melnyk on the horn before he sells the team...For a team near the floor, a Jeff Carter would be ideal..
Two more years after this season
$5.27 cap hit
$2 mill the next 2 seasons in actually salary
could still be a 3C
Did I mention we'd retain
With two Penquin centers out long term I wonder if there is a chance to deal Carter for somewhat of a premium.
Carter for JMFJ (his deal is pretty buy out friendly) + 1st.
Only way I can see LA getting a 1st for Carter is taking something gross back. LA drops cap space and can buy out Johnson in the offseason.
Too crazy? Have I been playing too much NHL20?
Carter for JMFJ (his deal is pretty buy out friendly) + 1st.
Only way I can see LA getting a 1st for Carter is taking something gross back. LA drops cap space and can buy out Johnson in the offseason.
Too crazy? Have I been playing too much NHL20?
The Penguins only have 1 million in cap space this season, which means they would have to include other pieces to make the cap work. Which complicates things for both the Kings and the Penguins. I don't think the Kings are in any need of clearing Carter's cap hit and TMac seems to be a big fan of his. The 1st is nice, but I don't see the Pens offering it up along with additional pieces to be saddled with a 5.27 million cap hit for 3 more seasons.
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For a team near the floor, a Jeff Carter would be ideal..
Two more years after this season
$5.27 cap hit
$2 mill the next 2 seasons in actually salary
could still be a 3C
Did I mention we'd retain
You're describing the Kings. They're going to struggle to hit the floor for the next couple years. Unless they get insanely lucky, they have no big RFA contracts coming up any time soon. They have a bunch of veteran UFA's that will slowly be going away. If it's not Carter, it's going to be some other warm body taking up space on this roster. It almost has to be, for things to work mathematically. Unless you're thinking they'll attract real UFA talent, which usually doesn't exist. If they can get a legit asset, by all means, but there's no reason to trade him otherwise.
Carter is a winger though.
I dont think Blake and Co are that despearte to move Carts especially when his actually salary for the next 2 seasons is only $2 mill per.. At worse he's our new 3C, losing Lewis, Toffoli and Hutton clears $8 mill which would be better used to reatin on Kovalchuk and ship him off...
But since i'm on the topic, how does this look... is it within logic?
Toffoli + retention = 2nd +
Lewis = 3rd
Hutton = 3rd, maybe a 2nd??
Campbell = 2nd, I think teams see the value in G tandems
Clifford = 4th, give him a chance at another cup.. we can always resign him as some have said
Martinez + retention = 2nd +
Lt Dan
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I don't think they will move Lewis or Clifford. If 2015- has taught us anything, we really need lockerroom guys like Stoll, Greene, Mitchell and the elf on the shelf
Carter can be a 3C/3W.. so you are correct in that we can just keep him and have him help the kids grow..
As much as we harp on Kovy and Carts, I think the problem is Adrian Kempe-Rieder as the 2C. I'd bet some rounds of beer that if Amadio was centering that line they would actually be scoring..
DoktorJeep
Fair winds and following seas Nikolai.
Carter’s contract has the poison pill with the cap recapture penalty, I believe?
Sending him to a cellar dweller would accelerate that risk, especially once he has his 1000 game, which is only 19 games away.
Sending him to a cellar dweller would accelerate that risk, especially once he has his 1000 game, which is only 19 games away.
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You can always resign them inthe off-season, but I think they deserve the chance at another cup run with a contender
I think we're on the other side of the rebuild hump. Another year or two. Pronman has us at what #4? Blake and Yannetti have done an incredible job rebuilding a quality farm system as fast as they did, even with questions about Villardi. Add in decent picks from this tank year and I can see us emerging from the tank in 2020-2021 when some of the kids are ready for bigger roles.
We need some vets to mentor the younger players, especially on defense. In 2012, we had Scuderi and Mitchell. I don't see Marty getting traded for that reason. Trading Carter is a risk due to the possibility he would retire instead.
I also want nothing to do with Jack Minus Forever Johnson. his contract is simply too long for a buyout and the dead cap space. We have enough of that.
I'd rather see Kempe traded. Move Amadio to the 2C. Give him an honest shot at it. A reverse 2014. Instead of Carter mentoring 2 kids, it's 2 vets and a young guy. I don't think anyone is going to trade for Kovalchuk without a sweetener or serious retention. If kovalchuk is somehow traded, kempe can be the winger. He is not a center. Have Lizotte as the 3C once he learns the pro game.
We need some vets to mentor the younger players, especially on defense. In 2012, we had Scuderi and Mitchell. I don't see Marty getting traded for that reason. Trading Carter is a risk due to the possibility he would retire instead.
I also want nothing to do with Jack Minus Forever Johnson. his contract is simply too long for a buyout and the dead cap space. We have enough of that.
I'd rather see Kempe traded. Move Amadio to the 2C. Give him an honest shot at it. A reverse 2014. Instead of Carter mentoring 2 kids, it's 2 vets and a young guy. I don't think anyone is going to trade for Kovalchuk without a sweetener or serious retention. If kovalchuk is somehow traded, kempe can be the winger. He is not a center. Have Lizotte as the 3C once he learns the pro game.
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That would be f***ing funny if Carter was AGAIN traded for JJ and a 1st.
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