2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[Peter James Bond II]

Pronman putting Caufield at #4 overall is suspect too....and Fagemo at #53. Granted, Fagemo is 19. His list has 20 year olds in it, though. Fagemo dominates WJC and Caufield pretty much had zero impact.
I thought Fagemo would be in the 25-35 range, looking at the list and reading every writeup. I'm tired of the Bjornfot "is not flashy". He has better puck and offensive skills than given credit for. He had
a few good zone rushes to the goal in the WJC. ..and the one shot was half over the goal line, when the goalie swept it away. He has a pretty good shot. I think Tobias' offense and shot will be very good
within 2 yrs.

Turcotte was better than Caufield and played an effective 200 foot game. If Caufield is not scoring, he's not so effective.

 

[Primakov!]

Lombardi crapped the bed by trading young promising Cernak for rental Bishop because the Kings had no wish to sign him...just another of the many blunders by the GM late in the game...and so he deserved to be axed for some stupid ill-advised moves

You might want to check your notes on that one.

Kings Sign Defenseman Erik Cernak To Three-Year Entry-Level Contract

 

[kings11]

Pronman putting Caufield at #4 overall is suspect too....and Fagemo at #53. Granted, Fagemo is 19. His list has 20 year olds in it, though. Fagemo dominates WJC and Caufield pretty much had zero impact.
I thought Fagemo would be in the 25-35 range, looking at the list and reading every writeup. I'm tired of the Bjornfot "is not flashy". He has better puck and offensive skills than given credit for. He had
a few good zone rushes to the goal in the WJC. ..and the one shot was half over the goal line, when the goalie swept it away. He has a pretty good shot. I think Tobias' offense and shot will be very good
within 2 yrs.

Turcotte was better than Caufield and played an effective 200 foot game. If Caufield is not scoring, he's not so effective.

That was exactly my comment to his article, pre-illness Alex was dominant. Cole is just a one dimensional, opportunistic, cherry picker..

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You might want to check your notes on that one.

Kings Sign Defenseman Erik Cernak To Three-Year Entry-Level Contract

You mean to tell me that andys doesn't get his facts right and is completely wrong yet again?

 

[Bandit]

well i imagine his opinion means more than the opinion than 99% of people on here

Funny, I was going to say the opposite. His assessment of Turcotte looks like something I could have written after watching nothing but WJC highlights. He even has a name that reads like an HF screen name...

 

[Jason Squirties]

You mean to tell me that andys doesn't get his facts right and is completely wrong yet again?

At what point is it actually considered trolling?

ib"useyourIL" great, so now we're left to trying to figure out which nutjob everyone is replying to.

Clean up your forum, moderators.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Have at it, Kings fans.

 

[KINGS17]

Pronman has a new prospect ranking. Turocote has fallen big time
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Kaliyev has risen though
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Maybe the Kings should bring Kaliyev immediately to replace Kopitar on the power play.

 

[KINGS17]

Great flick, need to watch it now

If only Drew Doughty could be more like Mel Gibson when he is dealing with Tkachuk.

 

[King'sPawn]

I think Pronman's article is very reactionary, even if he lists 5 Kings prospects in the top 53.

 

[KopitarFAN]

I think Pronman's article is very reactionary, even if he lists 5 Kings prospects in the top 53.

Reactionary is how you get clicks.

 

[BigKing]

Pretty sure he means they had no intention of signing Bishop.

As for Pronman's ranking, it is pretty funny that any of you would get rankled by it. He significantly bumped up every other King on that list, including Kupari for what appears to be absolutely no reason at all.

Turcotte's original ranking was too high to begin with. 7thOA after just being drafted 5thOA means he's better than most every other player in the previous two drafts? If Pronman was that high on him then, yeah, it makes sense that he would drop him a bit since it appeared he had very high expectations for him and, sure, he's a bit colored by the WJC performance. 200 foot performances are cool and all, but the supposed 7th best prospect in the world is supposed to do more than just play hard.

You can tell he really cares about elite goal scoring or elite playmaking, hence Caufield and Kaliyev in the Top 10 and Zegras at #1. Is it fair to question if Turcotte's "elite" in any offensive aspect? Yes. Elite is special though and having Turcotte at 15 is still saying that his skill is high-end. His whole thing is about being well-rounded..."very good" at everything. You can argue that Vilardi actually has more elite offensive traits but he obviously doesn't match Turcotte's skating/defensive prowess.

It is is also insincere to chide the Fagemo ranking because he tore up the WJC while thinking Turcotte should not drop because of his own WJC performance: it doesn't go both ways.

Regardless, he's just a guy ranking his favorite prospects and none of this shit actually matters. There was a time when Tukonen, Teubert, Grebeshkov etc...were all on various top prospect lists while dudes that weren't actually went on to NHL careers. Hell, I like Brayden Schenn but he was the #1 ranked prospect after his big WJC and there has to be other guys on that list behind him that have been better.

 

[YP44]

Pretty sure he means they had no intention of signing Bishop.

As for Pronman's ranking, it is pretty funny that any of you would get rankled by it. He significantly bumped up every other King on that list, including Kupari for what appears to be absolutely no reason at all.

Turcotte's original ranking was too high to begin with. 7thOA after just being drafted 5thOA means he's better than most every other player in the previous two drafts? If Pronman was that high on him then, yeah, it makes sense that he would drop him a bit since it appeared he had very high expectations for him and, sure, he's a bit colored by the WJC performance. 200 foot performances are cool and all, but the supposed 7th best prospect in the world is supposed to do more than just play hard.

You can tell he really cares about elite goal scoring or elite playmaking, hence Caufield and Kaliyev in the Top 10 and Zegras at #1. Is it fair to question if Turcotte's "elite" in any offensive aspect? Yes. Elite is special though and having Turcotte at 15 is still saying that his skill is high-end. His whole thing is about being well-rounded..."very good" at everything. You can argue that Vilardi actually has more elite offensive traits but he obviously doesn't match Turcotte's skating/defensive prowess.

It is is also insincere to chide the Fagemo ranking because he tore up the WJC while thinking Turcotte should not drop because of his own WJC performance: it doesn't go both ways.

Regardless, he's just a guy ranking his favorite prospects and none of this **** actually matters. There was a time when Tukonen, Teubert, Grebeshkov etc...were all on various top prospect lists while dudes that weren't actually went on to NHL careers. Hell, I like Brayden Schenn but he was the #1 ranked prospect after his big WJC and there has to be other guys on that list behind him that have been better.

well said

 

[bland]

Never found Pronman to be worth taking seriously. He's lightweight reading.

 

[BallPointHammer]

If only Drew Doughty could be more like Mel Gibson when he is dealing with Tkachuk.

Huge LOL

 

[King'sPawn]

Pretty sure he means they had no intention of signing Bishop.

With the poster claiming opinion as fact, despite evidence to the contrary posted, he needs to start posting evidence.

That said, I remember Lombardi talking about re-signing Bishop so the Kings would have a 1a/1b tandem. I can't find any links, though

 

[BallPointHammer]

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Alright I think i am done haha

Thanks for the writeups

 

[BigKing]

With the poster claiming opinion as fact, despite evidence to the contrary posted, he needs to start posting evidence.

That said, I remember Lombardi talking about re-signing Bishop so the Kings would have a 1a/1b tandem. I can't find any links, though

Not really wading in to this troll job or saying he is correct; just wanted to state that it seemed he meant they had no intention of signing Bishop.

 

[Docgonzo]

With the poster claiming opinion as fact, despite evidence to the contrary posted, he needs to start posting evidence.

That said, I remember Lombardi talking about re-signing Bishop so the Kings would have a 1a/1b tandem. I can't find any links, though

I remember that as well, because I thought it was crazy going with dueling goalies at 5+mil each.

 

[Choralone]

I appreciate Pronman's take on things (Pronman is his actually his real last name, Bandit - his full name is Corey Pronman) - knowing that:
a) There's no way any human being is going to be able to accurately guess the ultimate outcome of hundreds of prospects
b) His lists fluctuate quite a bit due to recent performances - sometimes they reflect real changes in the development journey of a prospect, sometimes it's just white noise

But he's the only one that really tries to give a comprehensive view of all the prospects out there, and is up front that some of opinions are based on what he sees with his own eyes whereas some are based on conversations with scouts. I always think "rankings" are dumb and OCD, but HF loves them. I think there's more value in his looking across organizations and leagues and trying to generally gauge where everyone's at comparatively, and getting the opinion of someone outside the organization to judge whether an individual prospect is ahead or behind pace of what was projected when he was drafted.

 

[King'sPawn]

I appreciate Pronman's take on things (Pronman is his actually his real last name, Bandit - his full name is Corey Pronman) - knowing that:
a) There's no way any human being is going to be able to accurately guess the ultimate outcome of hundreds of prospects
b) His lists fluctuate quite a bit due to recent performances - sometimes they reflect real changes in the development journey of a prospect, sometimes it's just white noise

But he's the only one that really tries to give a comprehensive view of all the prospects out there, and is up front that some of opinions are based on what he sees with his own eyes whereas some are based on conversations with scouts. I always think "rankings" are dumb and OCD, but HF loves them. I think there's more value in his looking across organizations and leagues and trying to generally gauge where everyone's at comparatively, and getting the opinion of someone outside the organization to judge whether an individual prospect is ahead or behind pace of what was projected when he was drafted.

I am sure he gets his collection of input from multiple sources, but for the net he casts (since he also ranks draft-eligibles), he clearly can't watch them all, and thus I wonder about the bias of his sources.

It's entertaining, sure, but I just have a lot of questions overall.

Not to plug, but it's relevant since the articles are coming out soon. John Hoven's prospect rankings are coming out. It's a much smaller net, as it's Kings-focused. But I also feel you'll have a much clearer picture on how the organization sees their prospects. I don't know everyone he asks (though I did submit my list back in November), but he does have multiple connected sources.

I just think focused lists are usually more reasonable and reliable. I appreciate Bob McKenzie's list, because you know he surveys 10 scouts. Button and Pronman are just spread too thin and seem too reactionary.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Have at it, Kings fans.

I need to come up with one that involves as many teams as possible.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm a big Pronman fan because he at least tries to write up reasoning on prospect rankings instead of just throwing out a list. So even if you disagree with it, at least it makes sense.

As someone else has mentioned he's almost always high on elite traits--hence his consistently high Caufield and Kaliyev rankings. But I think it's fair to question whether that 'punishes' well-rounded players. Turcotte earned it after the WJC, and I personally think he's got plenty to work on and he's another year out, but I do think contextually, he's been getting jacked by garbage WJC usage and a mediocre-at-best college squad.

 

[Choralone]

Worst case scenario is that we still don't have a potential 1C to replace Kopitar among all our center prospects. Then we still need a 1C bluechip. But even if that's the case, if our 1st round pick is a toss-up between a C and a D for BPA, I say we should take the D prospect because d-men take so damn long to develop and I think we are still missing a 1D to replace Drew.

 

[LAKings88]

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