2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[kingsholygrail]

Paul Coffey

 

[Herby]

Kubalik is currently on pace for 29 goals. When was the last time a Kings rookie scored that much?

Of course it's not Blake's fault, you can't make someone sign here who doesn't want to, but let's not pretend like he's no better than Alex Iafallo.

People treat him as a joke because someone here is obsessed with him and overrates him a bit, but the joke is kind of on us.

BTW, he has a realistic chance of scoring more goals this season than any Kings draft pick since the 05 draft. (Simmonds 32, Toffoli 31). Now part of that is on the worst drafting team in the NHL in the 2010 decade but it's probably still someone we probably shoudn't be laughing at. A 24 year old rookie 30 goal-scorer would come in handy right now and in future.

 

[Herby]

Alex Iafallo is on pace for 15 goals and 45 points...this will be his third pro season and that would represent a 75% increase in production every year since he's entered the league.

Are we ever going to stop crapping on this guy whose value obviously goes beyond points and is steadily improving in a sea full of guys who are devolving?

I like Iafallo and think he gets unfairly criticized here, but he is a 3rd line player, a very good one but a third line player who's production is inflated because of the Kings woeful talent level on the wing.

Good player, but he's not going to be a 15/45 guy when he is correctly slotted.

 

[BallPointHammer]

With Kubalik let's see what his stats are at the end of the season. Also, he's in the proverbial "low pressure situation on a bad team" mode. Nothing against him, but time tells for every player.

 

[kilowatt]

I’m shocked that anyone here thinks Kubalik would have had a chance to score 30 with this team.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I like Iafallo and think he gets unfairly criticized here, but he is a 3rd line player, a very good one but a third line player who's production is inflated because of the Kings woeful talent level on the wing.

Good player, but he's not going to be a 15/45 guy when he is correctly slotted.

Probably, but you can only play the minutes you're given, and my point stands--the guy has shown nothing but hustle and improvement year over year since entering the league and this forum is constantly crapping on him. His biggest crime is being misplaced, like Derek Armstrong.

 

[DoktorJeep]

If you give Blake a D grade for the handling of Kubalik and a B for Iafallo, then he comes out to a C student. Which is a fair grade for him overall, but not because of one asset undersold (the pick looks more like a 2nd should have came back). He gets a solid C because of his poor handling of the NHL roster he inherited.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If you give Blake a D grade for the handling of Kubalik and a B for Iafallo, then he comes out to a C student. Which is a fair grade for him overall, but not because of one asset undersold (the pick looks more like a 2nd should have came back). He gets a solid C because of his poor handling of the NHL roster he inherited.

He's lucky to have gotten what he got at all given Kubalik wasn't signing here.

 

[DoktorJeep]

He's lucky to have gotten what he got at all given Kubalik wasn't signing here.

I think that’s giving Blake too much credit. In isolation, Kubaliks value may have been a fifth. But in a package, the returns could have increased. For example, Adam Fox was traded twice after he was drafted for refusing to play for a team, the first time in a package deal.

Kubalik was drafted in 2013 and it has been known a long time that he won’t play here. Yet he was traded less than a year ago. Why take so long? Maybe too much time was being spent on managing self made messes (WD, IK, etc.).

It’s just looking like another sign of general incompetence by management for handling players after they are drafted.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think that’s giving Blake too much credit. In isolation, Kubaliks value may have been a fifth. But in a package, the returns could have increased. For example, Adam Fox was traded twice after he was drafted for refusing to play for a team, the first time in a package deal.

Kubalik was drafted in 2013 and it has been known a long time that he won’t play here. Yet he was traded less than a year ago. Why take so long? Maybe too much time was being spent on managing self made messes (WD, IK, etc.).

It’s just looking like another sign of general incompetence by management for handling players after they are drafted.

Because they were still attempting to bring him here and made an offer themselves.

Carolina got a 2nd and a conditional 3rd for a highly-regarded, 3rd round 21 year old RHD who they still had some control over.

LA got a 5th for a 24 year old former 7th round pick who was well-regarded but they were about to lose control over after spending years chasing him: "He had been slotted fairly high up the Kings’ lineup board as shown at the 2017 State of the Franchise forum, but did not report to training camp in 2017 or 2018. No check-ins throughout this span gave off any encouraging omens that he’d ever be wearing team colors."

Prospect Dominik Kubalik traded to Chicago for fifth round pick - LA Kings Insider

 

[kingsfan28]

He's lucky to have gotten what he got at all given Kubalik wasn't signing here.

Exactly. There are a few who seem to think Blake F-up by not signing him, a guy drafted almost 7 years ago [in the 7th round ] and did not want to play here...period. He's on a 1 year deal. Now after this year he's gonna want to be paid [ if he continues to put up numbers], like 4 mil plus I'm guessing and if he doesn't get it, on to another team or to the KHL. Nobody should even care about this guy, he wasn't some high end pick that was going to be a star that we couldn't sign.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Because they were still attempting to bring him here and made an offer themselves.

Carolina got a 2nd and a conditional 3rd for a highly-regarded, 3rd round 21 year old RHD who they still had some control over.

LA got a 5th for a 24 year old former 7th round pick who was well-regarded but they were about to lose control over after spending years chasing him: "He had been slotted fairly high up the Kings’ lineup board as shown at the 2017 State of the Franchise forum, but did not report to training camp in 2017 or 2018. No check-ins throughout this span gave off any encouraging omens that he’d ever be wearing team colors."

Prospect Dominik Kubalik traded to Chicago for fifth round pick - LA Kings Insider

Why post evidence that supports the claims that Kubalik didn’t want to sign here? We all know clueless people who can’t read will continue to blame Blake for something he couldn’t control, which is to force a player to play here.

 

[kings11]

Probably, but you can only play the minutes you're given, and my point stands--the guy has shown nothing but hustle and improvement year over year since entering the league and this forum is constantly crapping on him. His biggest crime is being misplaced, like Derek Armstrong.

Its a blessing and a curse...
He's probably an elite bottom 6 player on a contender but at the moment people(myself included) lament the lack of talent the Kings have always had around Kopitar...
I'm starting to see that our bottom 6 of the future is already here...
Kempe-Amadio-Lizotte.. I think replacing Wags with Amadio would complete this line
Iafallo-JAD-Wagner... Think JAD will be ready some time next season

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Why post evidence that supports the claims that Kubalik didn’t want to sign here? We all know clueless people who can’t read will continue to blame Blake for something he couldn’t control, which is to force a player to play here.

The best thing that can happen at this point, is for Nousiainen to become the next Visnovsky here. He was the one drafted with the Kubalik pick - that went to Mtl with Nate Thompson and the Kings got their 4th rd pick, which became Nousiainen. Even better, Nousiainen becomes so good, that he becomes ANDYS favorite player.

 

[bouncesonly]

The board should autocorrect "Kubalik" to "our loud and savior"

 

[Sol]

If true, I'm happy Martinez and Toffoli are on their way out.

I'd rather have a team that's young and sucks, rather than old and sucks.

Gimme the picks.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

What happened to Toffoli being traded to Carolina this past weekend? More fan fiction?

 

[kings11]

What happened to Toffoli being traded to Carolina this past weekend? More fan fiction?

Yup... and just to clarify, the original cost of Toffoli was said to be a 2nd and a prospect yet some idiot on TSN decided to replace and with or...
The way Toffoli is playing and the fact taht the contenders that want in are in a financial crunch.. we might just get that 1st after eating 50% of his salary..
We arent going anywhere next season so why not try
Toffoli @ $2.3Mill
Clifford @ $800k
for
Studnicka
1st 2020 pick
Backes
although with this type of trade we dont even need to retain giving that Backes' salary covers both players.. I can only dream

 

[Bandit]

The board should autocorrect "Kubalik" to "our loud and savior"

It should autocorrect it to a threadban.

 

[Little Psycho]

Enough talks about Rubik's cube.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

What happened to Toffoli being traded to Carolina this past weekend? More fan fiction?

No, TG has legit sources and has worked for at least 2 NHL teams. He stated one of his contacts told him about the TT deal talks with the Canes and it involved a #2 and conditional #2 if he signed there.
He also said it was contingent on the Canes moving a forward out to clear space...and that it could happen within 72 hours...looks like the Canes did not move a forward out.

 

[KingsFan7824]

With Kubalik, we're now back to 2010 or 2011 with Purcell/Moulson.

 

[YP44]

People treat him as a joke because someone here is obsessed with him and overrates him a bit, but the joke is kind of on us.

BTW, he has a realistic chance of scoring more goals this season than any Kings draft pick since the 05 draft. (Simmonds 32, Toffoli 31). Now part of that is on the worst drafting team in the NHL in the 2010 decade but it's probably still someone we probably shoudn't be laughing at. A 24 year old rookie 30 goal-scorer would come in handy right now and in future.

I thought the oilers had the worst drafting team nailed in? I mean #1 picks are given, but the Oiler's work outside of the first is terrible.

 

[tbrown33]

I thought the oilers had the worst drafting team nailed in? I mean #1 picks are given, but the Oiler's work outside of the first is terrible.

We've somehow cobbled together the #2 prospect pool despite having the worst drafting decade of any team? Go figure.

 

[kilowatt]

I think that’s giving Blake too much credit. In isolation, Kubaliks value may have been a fifth. But in a package, the returns could have increased. For example, Adam Fox was traded twice after he was drafted for refusing to play for a team, the first time in a package deal.

Kubalik was drafted in 2013 and it has been known a long time that he won’t play here. Yet he was traded less than a year ago. Why take so long? Maybe too much time was being spent on managing self made messes (WD, IK, etc.).

It’s just looking like another sign of general incompetence by management for handling players after they are drafted.

So just to be clear, it's also Blake's fault that Lombardi refused to trade Kubalik for four years? We don't even know what came from Kubalik's camp during that time. How do we know whether or not Kubalik and his agent were saying "Yeah, we'd love to join the team once our contract in Europe is over." The only facts we know are that the Kings offered Kubalik an entry level contract, he said no, and the Kings traded him to at least get an asset back.