2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[LAKings88]

I really don’t want to give up on Toffoli. Last off seasons Pilates training is starting to pay dividends. I think we would really be selling on the low. Imagine 2 offseason of Pilates? Maybe a little Jazzercise, even.

Comes down to his next contract. Is he a 25 goal scorer or 15 goal scorer. I think Blake already made up his mind.

Pilates = LOL

 

[The Tikkanen]

I really don’t want to give up on Toffoli. Last off seasons Pilates training is starting to pay dividends. I think we would really be selling on the low. Imagine 2 offseason of Pilates? Maybe a little Jazzercise, even.

Imagine if somebody shows him inside to 24 Hour Fitness?

 

[KingsHockey24]

I miss when NHL.com looked like this

 

[Butch 19]

You can only trade a player if someone wants them.

can I use that?

 

[KingsHockey24]

can I use that?

Did we really want Dion though.

 

[crassbonanza]

Lombardi was still trying to win in 2015. He wasn't concerned with the future. They missed the playoff by a couple points, and the glory days were still too recent. Despite falling flat in 14-15, there was still that just get in/cockroach aura around the team. He was also trying to take advantage of what at the time was still a good contract for Kopitar. Had to strike while that iron was hot. Can't give away one last $6.8m season.

The 15-16 team had the highest point% of any Kings team since 90-91. They were 4th overall the day Kopitar signed his extension. Then fell to 13th overall the rest of that season, while Anaheim had the best points% from 1/17/16 to the end of the season. DL was still all in.

Hell, the 14-15 team had the most regulation wins of any Lombardi-era Kings team. They had the 4th best home record in the league that year too.

Miller did enough in Boston to be left exposed in the expansion draft. Jones has little value to the Kings, and all he brought the Bruins is a 4th liner, and a guy picked in the 1st round who hasn't done anything. He wasn't in a position to be demanding anything with Jones. With the way Lombardi was drafting, there's no guarantee whoever the Kings would've taken in 2015 is the guy everyone wants. To not get what Lombardi was doing at the time, it's overthinking the situation. He was still in win mode, trying to take advantage of a cheap Kopitar, and was able to replace Williams(I know, I know, nothing can replace that dreamboat), for the same amount of money, without subtracting anything from the NHL roster, other than the backup goalie who was an RFA and wasn't going to re-sign here.

Neither Barzal or Connor play regularly until Oct 2017, which doesn't help Lombardi in Oct 2015. Sure, the run was already over. The run was over the day Lombardi couldn't let go of Richards. But that's not how he saw it. He still saw a team that he thought had whatever "it" is. Again, 4th overall on 1/16/16, with no reason to think Anaheim, who were sitting 21st on that same day, would eventually catch and pass them in the standings. That's not McSorley/Sandstrom. The Kings finished 5th worst in 93-94.

I completely understand that he thought the Kings were still contenders and wanted to go for it, my issue isn't with him trying to go for it, my issue is with how much he payed(although in hindsight not trading would have been the best move).

He essentially payed two 1st round drafts(one was the 13th overall), a solid 4th liner and a very good defensive prospect for a 1 year rental of a guy who had scored 18 goals and 44 points the season prior. For reference, Toffoli is scoring at a better rate this season, basically the Kings payed a King's ransom(heh) for a guy that was coming off of a worse scoring season than Toffoli is having now. Can you imagine a team offering anywhere near that package for Toffoli?

 

[kingsholygrail]

Did we really want Dion though.

I don't know about really want, but certainly want.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I completely understand that he thought the Kings were still contenders and wanted to go for it, my issue isn't with him trying to go for it, my issue is with how much he payed(although in hindsight not trading would have been the best move).

He essentially payed two 1st round drafts(one was the 13th overall), a solid 4th liner and a very good defensive prospect for a 1 year rental of a guy who had scored 18 goals and 44 points the season prior. For reference, Toffoli is scoring at a better rate this season, basically the Kings payed a King's ransom(heh) for a guy that was coming off of a worse scoring season than Toffoli is having now. Can you imagine a team offering anywhere near that package for Toffoli?

Are you adding what Boston got into what Lombardi paid? Unless we know what the other options were, I'm not sure that's fair. Even Kuraly didn't play regularly until 2017, just like Barzal and Connor. Plus Miller was the 6th/7th/8th defenseman for a Bruins team that missed the playoffs in 15-16.

Lombardi also gave up Schenn and Simmonds for a guy that ended up having 18 goals and 44 points in his first year here, and might've already been showing signs of slowing down while still a Flyer. Everything ended up working out great though, so nobody cares. Lombardi also gave up a mid round 1st for Penner, who couldn't score as a King, and it wasn't working, until he gave up even more future in an attempt to go for it. As is usually the case, the ultimate results determine the worth of the process. Objectively, neither of those moves were good asset management either.

But yeah, Lombardi was buying on some name recognition with Lucic. Even at the time, he had more cachet than Toffoli has ever had. As did Richards. They had that physical game that Toffoli doesn't have, and Toffoli isn't a good enough goal scorer to make up the difference there. Toffoli likely won't get a 7 year/$42m contract this summer either, unless he leads the next Cup champ with 15 playoff goals or something.

 

[King'sPawn]

Starting to question a few of Blake’s moves.

Dominik Kubalík. What happened here? How come the Kings couldn’t get him to sign here? 14 goals and 24 points in Chicago.

Who? Never heard of him. When was he in the Kings orgsnization?

Everyone else, shhhhh

 

[crassbonanza]

Are you adding what Boston got into what Lombardi paid? Unless we know what the other options were, I'm not sure that's fair. Even Kuraly didn't play regularly until 2017, just like Barzal and Connor. Plus Miller was the 6th/7th/8th defenseman for a Bruins team that missed the playoffs in 15-16.

Well, the trade was the 13th overall, Martin Jones and Colin Miller for Lucic. Martin Jones was then flipped for a 1st round pick and Kuraly. Since the trade happened immediately afterwards, we can apply that trade value on Martin Jones.

Lombardi also gave up Schenn and Simmonds for a guy that ended up having 18 goals and 44 points in his first year here, and might've already been showing signs of slowing down while still a Flyer.

There are quite a lot of differences between the Lucic trade and the Richards trade.

First off, I'm not sure why you are referencing how many points a guy scored after the trade to how many points a guy scored before the trade. That makes absolutely no sense. Prior to the trade Richards had scored 23 goals and 66 points. Lucic had 18 goals and 44 points.

Secondly, Richards was a center, which is valued much higher than a winger.

Third, he was considered one of the best defensive players in the league, finishing top 10 in Selke voting the previous 4 seasons. I don't think anyone ever confused Lucic with a high end defensive forward.

Lastly, he was signed to a long term, team friendly contract and was only 25. Lucic was a rental. You mention Richards was showing signs of slowing down, I don't think that was the case, but it most definitely was the case with Looch.

As is usually the case, the ultimate results determine the worth of the process. Objectively, neither of those moves were good asset management either.

I disagree that it is the results that should determine the worth of the process. If someone traded Gretzky for a 7th round pick that became Datsyuk, that doesn't mean it was a good trade. The Lucic trade was bad at the time, if it led to a cup it would have been worth it, but it would have still been a lopsided trade.

It was quite possibly the worst trade in the cap era.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Well, the trade was the 13th overall, Martin Jones and Colin Miller for Lucic. Martin Jones was then flipped for a 1st round pick and Kuraly. Since the trade happened immediately afterwards, we can apply that trade value on Martin Jones.



There are quite a lot of differences between the Lucic trade and the Richards trade.

First off, I'm not sure why you are referencing how many points a guy scored after the trade to how many points a guy scored before the trade. That makes absolutely no sense. Prior to the trade Richards had scored 23 goals and 66 points. Lucic had 18 goals and 44 points.

Secondly, Richards was a center, which is valued much higher than a winger.

Third, he was considered one of the best defensive players in the league, finishing top 10 in Selke voting the previous 4 seasons. I don't think anyone ever confused Lucic with a high end defensive forward.

Lastly, he was signed to a long term, team friendly contract and was only 25. Lucic was a rental. You mention Richards was showing signs of slowing down, I don't think that was the case, but it most definitely was the case with Looch.



I disagree that it is the results that should determine the worth of the process. If someone traded Gretzky for a 7th round pick that became Datsyuk, that doesn't mean it was a good trade. The Lucic trade was bad at the time, if it led to a cup it would have been worth it, but it would have still been a lopsided trade.

It was quite possibly the worst trade in the cap era.

Lombardi did an excellent job of acquiring former and future Captains and Assistant Captains. That I believe is what made the Kings into winners. If you look at the locker room in 2012 and 2014 how many of those guys were either C's or A's or could have been for other teams at the time? Look at the locker room now-how many legit leaders does this team have? And as far as the Jones trade fans seem to forget he was one of the 3 popped at the pool with X. The Kings had to do something with 2 of the 3 not named Doughty and they dumped both. Little did we know the problem extended past the 3 players.

 

[Sol]

A second round pick for Toffoli is pretty weak to be honest.

 

[crassbonanza]

Lombardi did an excellent job of acquiring former and future Captains and Assistant Captains. That I believe is what made the Kings into winners. If you look at the locker room in 2012 and 2014 how many of those guys were either C's or A's or could have been for other teams at the time? Look at the locker room now-how many legit leaders does this team have? And as far as the Jones trade fans seem to forget he was one of the 3 popped at the pool with X. The Kings had to do something with 2 of the 3 not named Doughty and they dumped both. Little did we know the problem extended past the 3 players.

I completely agree with you about the leaders. Lombardi definitely chased them, from Scuds, Mitchell, Williams to Moreau, Iginla, Lecavillier, Smyth; Lombardi was always on the hunt for guys who had/should wear letters.

I believe you are making that comment because I mentioned Jones, if so I don't think it changes any of what I am saying. It seems that your argument is that Dean was just trying to get him off of the team because of the Vegas incident and just tacked him onto the Looch trade. I wasn't a Jones fan, but he did have value around the league as we saw when the ruins traded him to the Sharks. If that was the case then it was even worse asset management by Dean.

 

[tbrown33]

A second round pick for Toffoli is pretty weak to be honest.

Is it weak or is it market value?

Nyquist was traded to the Sharks last year for a 2nd rounder and a conditional 3rd rounder - at the time of the deal he had 16 goals and 33 assists.

Toffoli currently has 12 and 15. Doubtful he'll match Nyquist's point output by the deadline, but 16 goals is certainly attainable.

Granted I believe the market this year is more of a seller's market and there's less available for buying teams (especially if Kreider is deemed unavail), so if anything, Blake can leverage that for a higher pick. Considering Toffoli's previous couple years, however, I doubt that's even possible. We'll see.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Well, the trade was the 13th overall, Martin Jones and Colin Miller for Lucic. Martin Jones was then flipped for a 1st round pick and Kuraly. Since the trade happened immediately afterwards, we can apply that trade value on Martin Jones.

That is really not true! San Jose would have never traded those pieces to LA. They were gonna wait it out until Free Agency and try and offer sheet him for less. The Kings weren't going to pay him what they eventually did. He would have probably been a 2nd round choice if LA took the offer sheet

 

[Ray Martyniuk]

Who? Never heard of him. When was he in the Kings orgsnization?

Everyone else, shhhhh

Been watching Kubalik rise throughout the years after being drafted and then heading to Europe at 19. He's a scoring machine and Blake shit the bed no doubt about that. Kubalik would be a 40 goal scorer with Kopistar! All the Kings fans that doubted me and this kid are eating cow-pies nowadays...hahahahahahahahaha

 

[The Tikkanen]

Been watching Kubalik rise throughout the years after being drafted and then heading to Europe at 19. He's a scoring machine and Blake **** the bed no doubt about that. Kubalik would be a 40 goal scorer with Kopistar! All the Kings fans that doubted me and this kid are eating cow-pies nowadays...hahahahahahahahaha

This is where your competition would dig up old threads where so and so bashed a player so they could really crush their HF rep.

 

[KINGS17]

Been watching Kubalik rise throughout the years after being drafted and then heading to Europe at 19. He's a scoring machine and Blake **** the bed no doubt about that. Kubalik would be a 40 goal scorer with Kopistar! All the Kings fans that doubted me and this kid are eating cow-pies nowadays...hahahahahahahahaha

Now I know you're joking.

 

[AzKing]

Been watching Kubalik rise throughout the years after being drafted and then heading to Europe at 19. He's a scoring machine and Blake **** the bed no doubt about that. Kubalik would be a 40 goal scorer with Kopistar! All the Kings fans that doubted me and this kid are eating cow-pies nowadays...hahahahahahahahaha

Yeah, no we are still laughing at comments like this. Maybe you should lay off the caffeine.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Since we have petty f***ers who like to point fingers, let’s also lay blame on Lombardi for shitting the bed by not signing Kubalik and bringing him over sooner. He gave his spot to Devin Setoguchiiiiiiii!

 

[redcard]

I swear to God I'm going to pistol whip the next guy that says Kubalik

 

[Kingspiracy]

Since we have petty ****ers who like to point fingers, let’s also lay blame on Lombardi for ****ting the bed by not signing Kubalik and bringing him over sooner. He gave his spot to Devin Setoguchiiiiiiii!

Hey dont knock the gooch.

 

[LAKings88]

Kubalik Kubalik Kubalik



I heard he was pretty good or something eh.

 

[KINGS17]

Kubalik Kubalik Kubalik



I heard he was pretty good or something eh.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I swear to God I'm going to pistol whip the next guy that says Kubalik

what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?