2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[kings11]

If the Kings get a 2nd and a 25 year old for Toffoli I'm going to be pissed.

Thats why the rumor last season was Blake asking for a 1st and Studnicka from Boston... he'll have a better chance at that return this season especially with Toffoli playing with Kopi and producing

 

[tonellisghost]

deal for toffoli in the works. if it is going down it will happen in the next 72 hours. draft picks in return. rumor is a 2nd in 2020 and a conditional 2nd in 2021. Pretty good haul. I talked to my friend in the canes org and he said they are working on the deal.

I know I don't post much anymore but I am still a died in the wool fan of the greatest team in the NHL.



Oh and I am a Kings fan too!
jk

I edited. I posted before reading the above post or the prev page. I guess you guys have heard about Toffs already. Canes are looking to move a winger right now to make room then the deal.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

deal for toffoli in the works. if it is going down it will happen in the next 72 hours. draft picks in return. rumor is a 2nd in 2020 and a conditional 2nd in 2021. Pretty good haul. I talked to my friend in the canes org and he said they are working on the deal.

I know I don't post much anymore but I am still a died in the wool fan of the greatest team in the NHL.



Oh and I am a Kings fan too!
jk

I edited. I posted before reading the above post or the prev page. I guess you guys have heard about Toffs already. Canes are looking to move a winger right now to make room then the deal.

I guess he could just switch locker rooms on Saturday?
Two 2nd for Toff? I was hoping for more.

 

[kovacro]

deal for toffoli in the works. if it is going down it will happen in the next 72 hours. draft picks in return. rumor is a 2nd in 2020 and a conditional 2nd in 2021. Pretty good haul. I talked to my friend in the canes org and he said they are working on the deal.

I know I don't post much anymore but I am still a died in the wool fan of the greatest team in the NHL.



Oh and I am a Kings fan too!
jk

I edited. I posted before reading the above post or the prev page. I guess you guys have heard about Toffs already. Canes are looking to move a winger right now to make room then the deal.

Btw, if the Canes are looking to move a forward, I'd be happy to take Foegele off their hands. I'm assuming they are looking to deal a guy like McGinn or maybe Dzingel out.

 

[Little Psycho]

I honestly don't know what's a good or bad deal for Toffoli, but I'm really hoping for a first round pick. Aren't there teams desperate for wingers?

 

[kings11]

Toffoli is starting to heat up offensively... Why deal him now especially for 2 -2nds?? I call BS, Bos, Stl, Pitt could all probably top that.

 

[Brodeur]

I honestly don't know what's a good or bad deal for Toffoli, but I'm really hoping for a first round pick. Aren't there teams desperate for wingers?

Centers/D are usually higher priorities than wingers at the deadline. 2nd+something has been the going rate for top 6 rental wingers lately. Gustav Nyquist fetched a 2019 2nd + 2020 3rd last deadline, Marcus Johansson got a 2019 2nd + 2020 4th.

Evander Kane got a first, but the Sharks were interested in extending him. A broken Rick Nash managed to get a late 1st. I'd think Toffoli is closer to Nyquist/Johansson. 1st rounders are usually reserved for guys who the acquiring team thinks is a 1st line / 1st PP guy. I'd think Toffoli ends up middle six on most contenders.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Classic example of people *****ing for the sake of *****ing.

I can see how fans who follow the team closely could view criticism of a lack of roster turnover as “piling on” the blame onto management. I think however, the timing is relevant , with it being a new year and the results, by management’s own stated goals for getting younger, not being even close to met many months later.

The fans who tune in are watching day to day rosters decisions unfold that go against the stated goals.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I can see how fans who follow the team closely could view criticism of a lack of roster turnover as “piling on” the blame onto management. I think however, the timing is relevant , with it being a new year and the results, by management’s own stated goals for getting younger, not being even close to met many months later.

The fans who tune in are watching day to day rosters decisions unfold that go against the stated goals.

So what’s the solution to getting younger? Trade everyone who is 30+ and force a bunch of prospects who aren’t ready for NHL duty into full time roles? Tell me, who is being held back who should be playing in the NHL?

As for not getting younger, did you happen to notice that the Kings have seven players on the roster who are 24 or younger? Do you recall the last time the Kings had a roster with that many inexperienced players?

 

[redcard]

Kovalchuk, Phaneuf, Muzzin, Hagelin, Thompson, Fantenberg, Pearson. All 27+ years old, in the line-up last year, now gone.

The oldest addition to the team this year was Ben Hutton who doesn't turn 27 until April.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Kovalchuk, Phaneuf, Muzzin, Hagelin, Thompson, Fantenberg, Pearson. All 27+ years old, in the line-up last year, now gone.

The oldest addition to the team this year was Ben Hutton who doesn't turn 27 until April.

Hey, stop presenting facts that shut down irrational posters who have a blind hatred towards Rob Blake, even when he’s doing exactly what they’re demanding he does by transitioning the team towards a youth movement.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I've never understood the obsession with age. Ideally you're going to have a treadmill for age. You have your older vets on the tail ends of their careers, your core group of players that are in their prime, and your rookies. Your average isn't and shouldn't be really young.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Hey, stop presenting facts that shut down irrational posters who have a blind hatred towards Rob Blake, even when he’s doing exactly what they’re demanding he does by transitioning the team towards a youth movement.

And Mclellan told young players at camp "target a player and go after their job" - or something like that. It's pretty out in the open that the youth movement is in motion...part of that, is up to the
youth to excel and take veterans jobs. Also puts all veterans on notice to perform or be replaced. The Walkers, Roys, Wagners and Luffs (Grundstrom to a limited one) have been given games and the next round of players are a talent level above those.

Has anyone heard anything about what Hextall is doing? So strange to never hear anything about him. Not even a blurb.

 

[Herby]

This will be better for the Kings and better for Toffoli as well. He's been in the organization for a decade, it's just time to move on and get so me kind of return for him and hopefully find a spot where he can better succeed. Second and third tier players don't usually spend that long in an organization, especially one that hasn't won squat in six years. Thanks for the contributions, especially early in his career but giving Tyler Toffoli a contract extension is not a smart move for where the Kings currently are.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Kovalchuk, Phaneuf, Muzzin, Hagelin, Thompson, Fantenberg, Pearson. All 27+ years old, in the line-up last year, now gone.

The oldest addition to the team this year was Ben Hutton who doesn't turn 27 until April.

January 10th, 2019

Hagelin
Thompson
Kovalchuk
Leipsic

Muzzin
Fantenberg
Phaneuf

They all played 1 year ago. All gone 1 year later to the day. That's 1/3 of the roster. I get wanting everything to happen faster. We're all sick of this team, and anything that involves whatever prior success they may have had. I'm not even sure we want to think about it anymore, since it's been tainted due to the collapse of everyone associated with it. But it takes time. Especially in a hard cap league. While the dream died 5+ years ago, so it seems like it's been forever, they've only been trying to shift gears for a little over a year. To have changed roughly 33% of the roster in that amount of time is pretty good. They're going to lose more of the past this year, one way or another. In 6 months, we might be talking about 45% of the roster that was intact during the ill-advised attempt at competing being gone. That would be about 1.5 years, maybe 2 if you want to go back to the fateful day of July 1st, 2018. When is the last time the Kings turned their roster over by almost 50% in less than 2 years?

Blake came in for the 2017 draft. The players in that draft are in their 1st full years in the minors. That's the youth we all want to see, not the Walker's and Roy's and Wagner's and Kempe's, even though they are all younger, but the youth we want to see is very young. Patience is a must. It's all moving forward, the only bad part is they're still contractually obligated to play the games on the schedule. If we didn't have to put up with that, this would all be much easier to take. Nobody has to watch the games though. Do something else, check in around the deadline, then late June, see how much more of the crap is gone.

It's going to take some time. It all should've started 5 years ago, probably Jan 10th, 2015, and they would be in a much better place today, but that's not how it happened.

 

[apadilla]

deal for toffoli in the works. if it is going down it will happen in the next 72 hours. draft picks in return. rumor is a 2nd in 2020 and a conditional 2nd in 2021. Pretty good haul. I talked to my friend in the canes org and he said they are working on the deal.

I know I don't post much anymore but I am still a died in the wool fan of the greatest team in the NHL.



Oh and I am a Kings fan too!
jk

I edited. I posted before reading the above post or the prev page. I guess you guys have heard about Toffs already. Canes are looking to move a winger right now to make room then the deal.

Would be sorta disappointed if it was a 2nd +++. Carolina has two 1st rounders this coming June. They shouldn't be so stingy with them. Plus, the 2nd rounder would most likely be in the later half of the round. Unless they threw in one of their three 3rd rounders as well. And it better be the 1st 3rd rounder. Or unless they added last years 2nd rounder C Jamieson Rees along with their 2nd rounder this coming June. Then I'd be okay with it.

 

[Herby]

Would be sorta disappointed if it was a 2nd +++. Carolina has two 1st rounders this coming June. They shouldn't be so stingy with them. Plus, the 2nd rounder would most likely be in the later half of the round. Unless they threw in one of their three 3rd rounders as well. And it better be the 1st 3rd rounder. Or unless they added last years 2nd rounder C Jamieson Rees along with their 2nd rounder this coming June. Then I'd be okay with it.

It's a player who hasn't exactly torn it up in the NHL the last few years, Toffoli has 0G, 1A, 1Point in 9 playoff games since 2014.

Blake probably did a "give me your best offers" to every GM in the league and a 2nd and some other pieces was probably the best he could get. Some of you kind of expect Blake to will a 1st round pick for a rental who hasn't done much in the last few years.

If a 2nd and a B level prospect or two 2nd's is all he can get then so be it, it's better than letting him walk for nothing or (even worse) re-signing him and having another 30+ contract on the books.

 

[redcard]

Toffoli was a 2nd round pick. Trading him for 2 2nds would net 2 Toffolis. In 10 years we could trade those Toffolis for 2 2nds each and have 4 Toffolis. 10 years later, 8 Toffolis.

By the year 2070 we won't have enough SPCs to support our Toffoli growth and the organization will collapse upon itself.

Its not sustainable.

Blake must certainly know this, and must be planning to pack as many unmarked Toffolis into a duffle bag and skip off to the Bahamas before the inevitable implosion.

 

[apadilla]

It's a player who hasn't exactly torn it up in the NHL the last few years, Toffoli has 0G, 1A, 1Point in 9 playoff games since 2014.

Blake probably did a "give me your best offers" to every GM in the league and a 2nd and some other pieces was probably the best he could get. Some of you kind of expect Blake to will a 1st round pick for a rental who hasn't done much in the last few years.

If a 2nd and a B level prospect or two 2nd's is all he can get then so be it, it's better than letting him walk for nothing or (even worse) re-signing him and having another 30+ contract on the books.

Again, Carolina shouldn't be so stingy with their two 1sts. This is America, not Trump's friend Vlad's Russia. The latter 2nd will most likely not be an NHL player. Odds show this.

Good:

1st rounder
or
2nd plus Jamieson Rees
or
2nd plus first available 3rd rounder (sorta good; wouldn't be popping open a cold brew for it)


Not Good:

2nd plus conditional 2nd next year. Might not be a 2nd next year if the condition is not met.

 

[bland]

Hey, stop presenting facts that shut down irrational posters who have a blind hatred towards Rob Blake, even when he’s doing exactly what they’re demanding he does by transitioning the team towards a youth movement.

Lol, Blake brought in five of those guys.

The only move he has proactively made was dealing Muzzin. And he did a damn good job on that trade. But the rest, I don't know, does he really deserve any credit for making stupid deals then spending empty dollars to buy himself out of his own poor judgement?

Pearson begat Hagelin who begat Parik. So, a solid second line winger who has had one poor year for a project goalie. Hmm...

 

[Brodeur]

Would be sorta disappointed if it was a 2nd +++. Carolina has two 1st rounders this coming June. They shouldn't be so stingy with them. Plus, the 2nd rounder would most likely be in the later half of the round. Unless they threw in one of their three 3rd rounders as well. And it better be the 1st 3rd rounder. Or unless they added last years 2nd rounder C Jamieson Rees along with their 2nd rounder this coming June. Then I'd be okay with it.

Carolina also has the Rangers' 2nd from the Adam Fox trade which could be around #40. Teams have been a bit more reluctant to give up 1st rounders for rentals in recent years. Maybe at best you can get a conditional pick like Patrick Eaves and Mats Zuccarello got.

- Eaves: 2017 2nd rounder which was upgraded to a 1st (29th overall) when Ducks made Conference Finals. For better or worse, the Ducks had interest in extending Eaves.
- Zuccarello: 2019 2nd rounder which would have been upgraded to a 1st if Dallas had made the Conference Finals (ie, the pick would have been 28th-31st)

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Lol, Blake brought in five of those guys.

The only move he has proactively made was dealing Muzzin. And he did a damn good job on that trade. But the rest, I don't know, does he really deserve any credit for making stupid deals then spending empty dollars to buy himself out of his own poor judgement?

Pearson begat Hagelin who begat Parik. So, a solid second line winger who has had one poor year for a project goalie. Hmm...

I guess bringing in five young players is something to scoff at, while moving on from a bunch of older players who are past their expiration date. You’re another one of those parrots who are hung up on Blake since 2001. Get over yourselves.

Iafallo costs half of Pearson’s contract and is just as productive, Kempe is also getting more ice time on LW with Pearson gone. The double talk here is funny, you have people saying the Kings need to move on from the players who were around from the last Cup run, then turn around and whine when they go ahead and do that.

 

[King'sPawn]

Lol, Blake brought in five of those guys.

The only move he has proactively made was dealing Muzzin. And he did a damn good job on that trade. But the rest, I don't know, does he really deserve any credit for making stupid deals then spending empty dollars to buy himself out of his own poor judgement?

Pearson begat Hagelin who begat Parik. So, a solid second line winger who has had one poor year for a project goalie. Hmm...

And Blake has also brought in Alex Iafallo, Blake Lizotte, Cal Petersen, Cole Kehler, Sean Walker, Brad Morrison, Austin Strand, Daniel Brickley and Sheldon Rempal all as free agents.

And that project goalie is acquitting himself fairly well in the WHL as a newcomer. Too bad he was stuck behind a team that hung him out to dry in the WJC

 

[KingsFan7824]

Would be sorta disappointed if it was a 2nd +++. Carolina has two 1st rounders this coming June. They shouldn't be so stingy with them. Plus, the 2nd rounder would most likely be in the later half of the round. Unless they threw in one of their three 3rd rounders as well. And it better be the 1st 3rd rounder. Or unless they added last years 2nd rounder C Jamieson Rees along with their 2nd rounder this coming June. Then I'd be okay with it.

Well, if they shouldn't be stingy, that must be what it takes to get them to part with one. Awww, come on man, pleeease? Yup, that's how trades work.

 

[Ghetty Green]

Unpopular opinion, and almost certainly not gonna happen:

Iafallo should be seriously considered to be moved at the deadline, could be a sell high situation (not because he's played so well lately, but he would just be a good 3rd line player on a playoff team).

Bingo. He is young and will garner a good return.