2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[YP44]

interesting rumor in this link not sure if valid source so if not please delete mods

NHLTR: Kings and Penguins talking huge trade including Matt Murray

No interest in Murray for me.

 

[YP44]

This isn't about getting Matt Murray. Its more about getting out of Quicks contract Also picking up a decent defense man prospect. The wild card of Galchenyuk would fit the age category we need to get more talent in.

if you're retaining 1.5-2M on quick are we really getting out of his contract ? Take away his October and he has absolutely been worth $3.8M a year.

 

[Lt Dan]

interesting rumor in this link not sure if valid source so if not please delete mods

NHLTR: Kings and Penguins talking huge trade including Matt Murray

How could a guy named Shug McSween not be the next Bob McKenzie or Darren Dreger?

 

[KingCanadain1976]

if you're retaining 1.5-2M on quick are we really getting out of his contract ? Take away his October and he has absolutely been worth $3.8M a year.

What if he drops further in his play which is highly possible ?Also hes going to be more injury prone as he gets older. Id take Murray over him going forward in a a heart beat. I d take the risk for the d in the article and the roll of the dice on Galchenyuk who has talent in age range we are sorely lacking

 

[YP44]

What if he drops further in his play which is highly possible ?Also hes going to be more injury prone as he gets older. Id take Murray over him going forward in a a heart beat. I d take the risk for the d in the article and the roll of the dice on Galchenyuk who has talent in age range we are sorely lacking

I get that point of view and don't disagree. If the deal went down I would not be fully pissed off, I just wouldn't target Murray as his has also not preformed.

LA improves their defense I am comfortable with our goaltenders.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I get that point of view and don't disagree. If the deal went down I would not be fully pissed off, I just wouldn't target Murray as his has also not preformed.

LA improves their defense I am comfortable with our goaltenders.

which this deal may do. I am not all that familiar with the prospects but the stats look pretty impressive on both and adds a dementition we don't have much of in our prospect pool

 

[Reaper45]

I'd pass on that deal with Pittsburgh

 

[kingsfan28]

I'd pass on that deal with Pittsburgh

same here. go pound sand pens!

 

[YP44]

I'd pass on that deal with Pittsburgh

me too...wouldn't be pissed if it happens but wouldn't be running to hit accept.

 

[YP44]

I want a deal to happen NOW!!

 

[LAKings88]

Galy has depreciated big time. Murray went from two cups in two years to trade block. Still young but red flags are flying there.

Just send Toffoli & Lewis for Addison and maybe a pick. Keep it simple.

 

[kings11]

Its an easy pass... as of right now..
Toffoli nets us a 2nd in an insanely deep draft
Lewis a 5th...
Quick can stay for all I care, the NHL has moved away from a single dominate goalie in the regular season so he can share the load with Cal..
Hutton a 4th
thats good ammo for this upcoming draft and thats all that matters...
I'd rather do Marty with $2mill retention and try to pry Kapanen away from the TML... Marty+Cliffy if need be

 

[DoktorJeep]

Based on today’s standings, there are around 22 teams which are potential buyers. With a little over a month to go before the TDL, you would expect it to go down to closer to 18 teams at the end.

I expect Blake will make at least one significant trade to try and improve the club by getting futures. But I have zero hope for anything that radically turns over the roster. Just based on a lack of trades since last TDL. It looks like management is satisfied with just moving on from Kovalchuk so far this season.

I don’t even trust that the theoretically easy moves to ship out UFAs for rental prices will take place for all of Toffoli, Forbort, Hutton, Lewis, Ryan and/or Clifford. That group represents an estimated 6-10 picks or prospects that could be in the system for assets which are hard to justify retaining, except Clifford. With that many pieces to move and waiting till the end, the odds of getting that kind of bounty are close to zero.

And there is even lower hope tha the players with term who are expendable, like Martinez, Carter, Brown and Quick, get moved by the TDL. All are well into their 30s and make enough money to cause cap issues for the majority of playoff hopefuls. Any returns are likely to feature salary dumps coming back, if any quality futures are to be included.

Overall the story for Blake is shaping up to be a continuation of kicking the can down the road and half measures. And spinning excuses to justify whatever trades do and don’t happen to the small core of fans who are bothering to pay attention.

 

[Choralone]

I think I'll wait the 46 days to the trade deadline before I castigate Blake.

 

[redcard]

I'm just ready to open up a roster spot so we can get a kid in the lineup to watch intently. I enjoyed getting to watch Clague for a few games to see how he had improved since preseason. I'd like to see JAD or Grundstrom pop up for a little bit to see how they've progressed. The vets being back in the lineup have made the last 3 losses that much more boring.

 

[KINGS17]

Anyone know anything about Pierre-Olivier Joseph and Calen Addison?

 

[King'sPawn]

Anyone know anything about Pierre-Olivier Joseph and Calen Addison?

Calen Addison is a RHD, closer to a power play/puck mover. He was the one with the breakout pass to Akil Thomas' game-winning goal against Russia. Smaller for a defenseman. Has a wicked shot though

 

[YP44]

I'm just ready to open up a roster spot so we can get a kid in the lineup to watch intently. I enjoyed getting to watch Clague for a few games to see how he had improved since preseason. I'd like to see JAD or Grundstrom pop up for a little bit to see how they've progressed. The vets being back in the lineup have made the last 3 losses that much more boring.

this has me ancy too.

If Martinez is going to be moved then I hope they do it right away so that we can get Clague back up.
Same with Toffoli and Lewis.

 

[tbrown33]

I think I'll wait the 46 days to the trade deadline before I castigate Blake.

Exactly, plenty of time for deals to be made and it's a seller's market. And with how Ontario is struggling and inconsistent (and just lost Kupari), I'm not in too much of a rush to get multiple kids up on the NHL roster (as much as I'd like to see them play, too).

 

[BigKing]

Martinez salary doesn't become an issue if the Kings retain, which they can with no problem if needed.

There will be turnover, for sure. I kind of think that Martinez going out and the defense not collapsing will give the Kings the go ahead to move him where they may have thought about holding on to him.

Nothing as exciting as the Muzzin return is happening but futures will be obtained. It is all about gathering as much as possible so you can package to move up in the draft--like with Fagemo--or for when it is time to trade for an established player.

Remember that DL sold a lot of parts too and it wasn't always some killer return at first blush. Conroy netted a bust in Lundmark and a 4th round pick. On the surface it is garbage but that 4th became Dwight King. Sopel for a 2nd? Ok...but that 2nd became Wayne Simmonds. Boyle for a 3rd? Became Weal who is still in the NHL, kind of. Because of accumulating picks, he was able to make moves in the draft leading to the Martinez and Toffoli picks.

Point being that we shouldn't expect anything flashy. A 2nd round pick might be the best but lets hope for a bidding war. Regardless, grab some 4th round picks if you can in order to move some guys. Get as much as possible so there is ammunition to make moves: even if that move is just moving up a few spots in the 4th round for some guy you really like.

 

[YP44]

3rd and 4th round picks can be used to move up in the draft.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Based on today’s standings, there are around 22 teams which are potential buyers. With a little over a month to go before the TDL, you would expect it to go down to closer to 18 teams at the end.

I expect Blake will make at least one significant trade to try and improve the club by getting futures. But I have zero hope for anything that radically turns over the roster. Just based on a lack of trades since last TDL. It looks like management is satisfied with just moving on from Kovalchuk so far this season.

I don’t even trust that the theoretically easy moves to ship out UFAs for rental prices will take place for all of Toffoli, Forbort, Hutton, Lewis, Ryan and/or Clifford. That group represents an estimated 6-10 picks or prospects that could be in the system for assets which are hard to justify retaining, except Clifford. With that many pieces to move and waiting till the end, the odds of getting that kind of bounty are close to zero.

And there is even lower hope tha the players with term who are expendable, like Martinez, Carter, Brown and Quick, get moved by the TDL. All are well into their 30s and make enough money to cause cap issues for the majority of playoff hopefuls. Any returns are likely to feature salary dumps coming back, if any quality futures are to be included.

Overall the story for Blake is shaping up to be a continuation of kicking the can down the road and half measures. And spinning excuses to justify whatever trades do and don’t happen to the small core of fans who are bothering to pay attention.

You acknowledge the environment Blake finds himself in, and then criticize him for it?

The reality of it is, it's not just the lack of moves by the Kings since the 2019 deadline, it's the lack of moves in general. This is not the same league it was 20 years ago. Now, most of the time, all you do is send a guy down, call a guy up. The 1 way and 2 way contracts all factor into who does what. It's far less spontaneous. You might want to make a move, but then you have to worry about the cap next year. There's some limit on how much future cap you can take up, so if you have RFA's to sign, you can't always go out and get anyone with term left. Blake can't force things like that.

If the Kings don't trade all their UFA's, and they should, and shouldn't re-sign any of them, but it might be because nobody wants all of them. Not necessarily because Blake is ok with half measures, and enjoys thinking the fans are idiots. Maybe nobody wants Lewis on their 4th line. Nobody here does. Why would highly paid GMs want him?

This whole rebuilding thing isn't going to happen quickly. It's going to be in stages. Slowly. Year after year. It's easier to accept it, than it is to unfairly criticize a GM for not making a thousand moves in a league that just doesn't work that way anymore. You can do the Bob Murray thing, and trade 10 minor league guys back and forth every season, but if you're talking actual NHL contracts, they're not easy to move. To say that's kicking the can down the road, that's not a fair description. Blame the cap, not Blake.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kings can retain or take dumps back from anyone so yeah not sure how that's a criticism, we can help anyone reshape their roster and there's value in that. Not sure banging on blake for that is an accurate criticism.

Martinez salary doesn't become an issue if the Kings retain, which they can with no problem if needed.

There will be turnover, for sure. I kind of think that Martinez going out and the defense not collapsing will give the Kings the go ahead to move him where they may have thought about holding on to him.

Nothing as exciting as the Muzzin return is happening but futures will be obtained. It is all about gathering as much as possible so you can package to move up in the draft--like with Fagemo--or for when it is time to trade for an established player.

Remember that DL sold a lot of parts too and it wasn't always some killer return at first blush. Conroy netted a bust in Lundmark and a 4th round pick. On the surface it is garbage but that 4th became Dwight King. Sopel for a 2nd? Ok...but that 2nd became Wayne Simmonds. Boyle for a 3rd? Became Weal who is still in the NHL, kind of. Because of accumulating picks, he was able to make moves in the draft leading to the Martinez and Toffoli picks.

Point being that we shouldn't expect anything flashy. A 2nd round pick might be the best but lets hope for a bidding war. Regardless, grab some 4th round picks if you can in order to move some guys. Get as much as possible so there is ammunition to make moves: even if that move is just moving up a few spots in the 4th round for some guy you really like.

I mean even if all you get is 3 4th round picks, those are trade assets for an additional higher pick, etc. I'm totally in agreement with you, don't expect anything like the Muzzin return for anyone, but there should be some 2nd-4th round picks in play for us, maybe a late 1st from a team who can give up 26-30 for a Toffoli or Martinez.

 

[crassbonanza]

Based on today’s standings, there are around 22 teams which are potential buyers. With a little over a month to go before the TDL, you would expect it to go down to closer to 18 teams at the end.

I expect Blake will make at least one significant trade to try and improve the club by getting futures. But I have zero hope for anything that radically turns over the roster. Just based on a lack of trades since last TDL. It looks like management is satisfied with just moving on from Kovalchuk so far this season.

I don’t even trust that the theoretically easy moves to ship out UFAs for rental prices will take place for all of Toffoli, Forbort, Hutton, Lewis, Ryan and/or Clifford. That group represents an estimated 6-10 picks or prospects that could be in the system for assets which are hard to justify retaining, except Clifford. With that many pieces to move and waiting till the end, the odds of getting that kind of bounty are close to zero.

And there is even lower hope tha the players with term who are expendable, like Martinez, Carter, Brown and Quick, get moved by the TDL. All are well into their 30s and make enough money to cause cap issues for the majority of playoff hopefuls. Any returns are likely to feature salary dumps coming back, if any quality futures are to be included.

Overall the story for Blake is shaping up to be a continuation of kicking the can down the road and half measures. And spinning excuses to justify whatever trades do and don’t happen to the small core of fans who are bothering to pay attention.

Did Lombardi ever sell that many pieces in one season? Has any team ever sold 10 different players between January 9th and the trade deadline? Hell, has any team ever sold 10 different players from the beginning of a season to the trade deadline?

It seems like you are setting Blake up to fail, I don't think it is realistic to expect any GM to perform the level of selling you are asking for. You say guys like Forbort/Ryan/Hutton/Lewis are easily moved for assets, but I don't really agree with that sentiment. I really don't think the market is very hot for those players.

I think the only sure bet is that Toffoli gets moved, but I do think a majority of the roster is on the block.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Based on today’s standings, there are around 22 teams which are potential buyers. With a little over a month to go before the TDL, you would expect it to go down to closer to 18 teams at the end.

I expect Blake will make at least one significant trade to try and improve the club by getting futures. But I have zero hope for anything that radically turns over the roster. Just based on a lack of trades since last TDL. It looks like management is satisfied with just moving on from Kovalchuk so far this season.

I don’t even trust that the theoretically easy moves to ship out UFAs for rental prices will take place for all of Toffoli, Forbort, Hutton, Lewis, Ryan and/or Clifford. That group represents an estimated 6-10 picks or prospects that could be in the system for assets which are hard to justify retaining, except Clifford. With that many pieces to move and waiting till the end, the odds of getting that kind of bounty are close to zero.

And there is even lower hope tha the players with term who are expendable, like Martinez, Carter, Brown and Quick, get moved by the TDL. All are well into their 30s and make enough money to cause cap issues for the majority of playoff hopefuls. Any returns are likely to feature salary dumps coming back, if any quality futures are to be included.

Overall the story for Blake is shaping up to be a continuation of kicking the can down the road and half measures. And spinning excuses to justify whatever trades do and don’t happen to the small core of fans who are bothering to pay attention.

If you're expecting 10 trades and calling anything less a half-measure, it might not be sanity governing your expectations.

I expect 2-3 and any more than that would be amazing.