2019-20 Kings News/Rumors

[Raccoon Jesus]

Frk is a guy who is too good to be in the AHL but not good enough to be consistently in an NHL lineup.

Every organization has this type of player.

I understand the intrigue with him seeing he potted 3 goals in 4 games. His overall body of work at the NHL level has been subpar.

I’m sure he gets another look before the season is out. Will not be surprised if he’s playing in Europe within a few years.

Of course, it's the Brandon Pirri thing.

But at least let the guy ride his hot streak and maybe get an extended NHL look since he's playing for his NA career instead of just hurrying to get Lewis in the lineup. It's not like we're short on injury-rusted vets right now.

 

[kilowatt]

I kinda get sending Frk down though, scoring goals and winning games is bad for our Lafreniere chances

 

[Statto]

Frk was brought in to provide a scoring threat for Ontario. That team needs that kind of player, especially with their other veteran AHL player bolting for the KHL. Can't leave that kind of pressure for kids for the majority of a season.

That is Frk's best value to this organization.

Agreed. Vilardi needs a scoring winger to play with down in Ontario also. JAD seems to have settled into a set line now but I get the impression Vilardi has struggled offensively since Frk was called up. The development of those guys in the AHL is the biggest factor in our future just now.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

3 weeks away

I would also like to point out he had to go down because of a waiver wire concern he could only be up so long without having to go thru waiver to go back down.

 

[YP44]

I don't get the rage over Frk being sent down ? Do you people not release he is in the ahl all star game thats coming up So expert clague to be sent down as well soon

I expect Clague to go down with Forbort and Martinez back. I want Clague playing games not eating popcorn

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I would also like to point out he had to go down because of a waiver wire concern he could only be up so long without having to go thru waiver to go back down.

He had 3-4 more games and 12 more days as per telecast.

I'm not saying keep him up all year, I'm saying 'what's the rush' to re-integrating injured and sick players while this guy gets an NHL crack on a hot streak, especially given we're at home anyway.

 

[Primakov!]

I agree it's got to evolve, but if the GM can't even vocalize it right now, that's a problem. Especially when you have a 5-year coach in play.

Agreed. If there is no team identity then who are you drafting and what team philosophy or playing style is supposed to be met in player acquisitions via trades, the draft, or free agent signings?

All across the different sports leagues you have examples where certain clubs have a defined image of what would be considered a prototypical player for that organization and it's instantly recognizable.

Like if I said a Detroit Red Wings player from the 1990's - 2000's then you'd imagine a high skilled player, probably of Swedish or Russian origin, scoring a hat trick on the Kings and making us want to vomit blood.

Or if I said "chronic cheaters" you're probably thinking of the New England Patriots and Houston Astros.

RElatedly, I'm not sure I could tell you what identity the TMac Sharks had.

Choking. Again, clearly defined with all players and members of the organization on the same page.

Super simple stuff.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

He had 3-4 more games and 12 more days as per telecast.

I'm not saying keep him up all year, I'm saying 'what's the rush' to re-integrating injured and sick players while this guy gets an NHL crack on a hot streak, especially given we're at home anyway.

I though i heard fox say it had to be done in the next week in which case its not that big a deal. He also said Frk knew this well ahead of time when he sign that this sorta call up would happen. Also think he still need more work on the defensive side of the puck. The vets need to play to get people interested in them It sorta reminds me of when slava was first called up They had to trade JJ to make room . I m sure when any of the vets toffoli lewis carter etc gets traded he will be back

 

[Fat Elvis]

I'm fully expecting Forbort, Amart, TT and Lewis to be dealt on or before the TDL. It would be fantastic if they can get another 1st, but I'm not optimistic about that. I think it'd be good if LA can get a few more 2nd round picks this draft and next. Really hope that Lewis, Forbort and Amart are able to start playing well asap. Got to get those shares of frozen concentrated orange juice UP Whinston

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I though i heard fox say it had to be done in the next week in which case its not that big a deal. He also said Frk knew this well ahead of time when he sign that this sorta call up would happen. Also think he still need more work on the defensive side of the puck. The vets need to play to get people interested in them It sorta reminds me of when slava was first called up They had to trade JJ to make room . I m sure when any of the vets toffoli lewis carter etc gets traded he will be back

I agree it's the role he has to play and I'm sure he's aware of it. But I also don't think he comes back up this year.

With all the rust on dudes last night, I'm trying to shift the focus off Frk a little too--what was the dire need to get all those guys that haven't played in the lineup all at once, particularly Forbort, who hasn't played a game in this system? Let the kid play, be excited, bring us a different element, maybe continue his hot streak, earn a little more money. It's ultimately not a big deal because we're talking about a game or two, you know? It just grinds my gears a little since we have plenty of time with the rest of the deadbeats.

 

[Fat Elvis]

I agree it's the role he has to play and I'm sure he's aware of it. But I also don't think he comes back up this year.

With all the rust on dudes last night, I'm trying to shift the focus off Frk a little too--what was the dire need to get all those guys that haven't played in the lineup all at once, particularly Forbort, who hasn't played a game in this system? Let the kid play, be excited, bring us a different element, maybe continue his hot streak, earn a little more money. It's ultimately not a big deal because we're talking about a game or two, you know? It just grinds my gears a little since we have plenty of time with the rest of the deadbeats.

Good points and I get it. This season we all knew was going to be rough, and it seems like BLuc and company may be rushing a little bit to change over the roster. They need the Forborts, AMarts and Lewis' to play so that they can be moved. If it's a game or two "early" to be playing these guys, so be it. You'd hate to have Forbort dinged up again "conditioning" in Ontario. Bring em up, play the heck out of em, then deal em away. Rinse and repeat.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I agree it's the role he has to play and I'm sure he's aware of it. But I also don't think he comes back up this year.

With all the rust on dudes last night, I'm trying to shift the focus off Frk a little too--what was the dire need to get all those guys that haven't played in the lineup all at once, particularly Forbort, who hasn't played a game in this system? Let the kid play, be excited, bring us a different element, maybe continue his hot streak, earn a little more money. It's ultimately not a big deal because we're talking about a game or two, you know? It just grinds my gears a little since we have plenty of time with the rest of the deadbeats.

Forbort has nothing to do with Frk . He is a defense man and has no effect on Frk being on the roster. We need to play Lewis in order to trade him. When some of the vet forwards are gone i expect Frk to be the first forward recalled I also hope to see Jad and maybe Valardi get some games but Frk will be back i can't see how he wouldn't after what he has shown. We need to show the deadbeats in order to make trades Who know maybe they have that one or two good games when a scout is there I d rather do this and let Frk get chemistry with younger player who will be on the roster eventually This will help in the future. This also helps us keep in the bottom five to get us a better draft position This is more about the future then getting a couple goals this year. I will gladly sacrifice this season if it means we get aanother 10 competitive ones soon after

 

[YP44]

I'm fully expecting Forbort, Amart, TT and Lewis to be dealt on or before the TDL. It would be fantastic if they can get another 1st, but I'm not optimistic about that. I think it'd be good if LA can get a few more 2nd round picks this draft and next. Really hope that Lewis, Forbort and Amart are able to start playing well asap. Got to get those shares of frozen concentrated orange juice UP Whinston

Not sure on Forbort. He is likely on a bit of road to being fully recovered so his selling price is low. If I were Blake I would see what a 1 or 2 year extension would look like before dealing.

 

[YP44]

I expect Clague to go down with Forbort and Martinez back. I want Clague playing games not eating popcorn

Boom

 

[lexlavender]

To be perfectly honest, as long as our young guys are improving, the system when performed looks good, and our underlying numbers stay this positive, I don't care if we lose every game this season. It's more encouragement to offload at deadline, and gets us a really nice prospect in the draft.

I'll start getting worried when our underlying numbers are shit and we don't offload vets.

 

[kings11]

Not sure on Forbort. He is likely on a bit of road to being fully recovered so his selling price is low. If I were Blake I would see what a 1 or 2 year extension would look like before dealing.

Exactly, he'd be a cheap sign with a potential to return a solid package..
This is why Toffoli should have been traded a few years ago, when he had term and a lot higher value..

 

[YP44]

Exactly, he'd be a cheap sign with a potential to return a solid package..
This is why Toffoli should have been traded a few years ago, when he had term and a lot higher value..

opens up the conversation on when? Two years ago the team was a 100 point team and playoff team. Last year the bottom fell out.

Could argue for last year but I do not think his value was any better last year than this. In fact I would argue it was worse. We will see what Blake gets for him. Anything better than a 2nd + prospect would be great.

 

[kings11]

opens up the conversation on when? Two years ago the team was a 100 point team and playoff team. Last year the bottom fell out.

Could argue for last year but I do not think his value was any better last year than this. In fact I would argue it was worse. We will see what Blake gets for him. Anything better than a 2nd + prospect would be great.

This TDL, Blake has a ton of leverage!
Toffoli has been producing at a .56ppg clip and looks like it’ll continue if not get better which only drives up his value to a team in desperate need of secondary scoring...
think of him doing damage in the wing of..
McDavid
Drai
Krejci
Barzal
Kadri
Or any other 2C/3C on a contending team that’s better than what we have paired him with.. I think we’ll be pleasantly surprised by what he eventually returns

 

[kovacro]

It will depend on how many sellers there are at the deadline and who’s looking to buy. Have to hope the market doesn’t become saturated.

Hope the Kings can get a solid return for TT.

 

[YP44]

Hopefully someone overpays for Kreider as that will impact Toffoli's value.

 

[Choralone]

Article on the Athletic by Lisa Dillman about Forbort and his recovery From dog-walking to skating, Derek Forbort has worked his way back into the Kings' lineup. I'm anticipating all the moaning from everyone who hates the dog calendar or whatnot.

There's a nice little additional section tacked onto the end about Prokhorkin:

'There's more' in Prokhorkin

McLellan discussed the progress of Kings rookie forward Nikolai Prokhorkin, who was on a line with Jeff Carter and Brown against the Blue Jackets. In 24 games, Prokhorkin has 11 points (four goals, seven assists).

“Nikolai has had a tough time coming over,” McLellan said. “He’s been here before, but he’s still adjusting to a new environment, coaching, language, teammates. His opportunity to start in the American League was valuable. I’m sure he didn’t think that.

“Then he had a little bit of a pause here. But since then, he’s really worked hard. He’s become part of the team. … He provides a skill element for our team. So he’s got a passing grade in my mind. I will say this: I think there’s more there. And we’re going to push him to get it out.”

 

[LAKings88]

(Grundstrom) Kopitar Brown
Prokhorkin Vilardi Carter
Kempe JAD Iaffalo
Clifford Amadio Lizotte
Wagner/Luff

A glut of centers there actually.

Walker Doughty
Bjornfot Clague
Anderson Roy
MacDermid

Patterson
Quick

ship out:
Toffoli
Hutton
Lewis
Amart
Forbort
Campbell

 

[kings11]

Fagemo Kopitar Brown
Prokhorkin Vilardi Carter
Kempe JAD Iaffalo
Clifford Amadio Lizotte
Wagner/Luff

Walker Doughty
Bjornfot Clague
Anderson Roy
MacDermid

Patterson
Quick

ship out:
Toffoli
Hutton
Lewis
Amart
Forbort
Campbell

Im hoping you expect to see this over the next 2-3 years and not throw these kids to the wolves and ruin them!

 

[Johnny Utah]

Was at the game last night - so boring and old.

The team was more exciting when Brown, Forbort, and Lewis were injured and Frk, Clague and MacD were in the line up.

 

[YP44]

Was at the game last night - so boring and old.

The team was more exciting when Brown, Forbort, and Lewis were injured and Frk, Clague and MacD were in the line up.

Lewis I agree with.
Brown has been good so far this year and I do not hold last night on him.
Forbort will take a few games to get up to speed.

Last night was really boring I will give ya that