Speculation: 2019-20 Expected Blackhawks Roster Part 4 - To Eberle or Not to Eberle - that is the question..

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There is also the small point that the combined point totals of Debrincat and Strome going forward will always be more than Marner's alone and their combined salaries will be equal to or below.
So no question it's a no go. That's a fact Jack! Book it Dano. Make it so Joe.
 

RememberTheRoar

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I was listening to the new 31 Thoughts podcast, and they were talking about how you need to basically build two teams within your roster. A team to get you to the playoffs, and a team to get you through the playoffs.

They used Maroon and Bozak as examples of guys who get you through, but Maroon in particular as an example of a guy who doesn't do much to get you to the playoffs.

I think we've all talked about this in different variations, but I've never heard it framed as essentially needing to build two teams within your roster.

Also, I'd go on to say that Toews and Kane fit into both of those categories, and that's part of what makes them so special.
 

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I was listening to the new 31 Thoughts podcast, and they were talking about how you need to basically build two teams within your roster. A team to get you to the playoffs, and a team to get you through the playoffs.

They used Maroon and Bozak as examples of guys who get you through, but Maroon in particular as an example of a guy who doesn't do much to get you to the playoffs.

I think we've all talked about this in different variations, but I've never heard it framed as essentially needing to build two teams within your roster.

Also, I'd go on to say that Toews and Kane fit into both of those categories, and that's part of what makes them so special.

Sounds like recency bias.
 

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Interesting article from Scotty Powers today. Seems like core was slow to buy in to JC. Keith and Seabrook mentioned as having a hard time transitioning. No surprise there with their names being floated around at the deadline. Barry Smith in particular had some strong words to suggest complacency by core.
 

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How so?

They were talking about how this has been the reality for years, and that Maroon is just the latest example of this.

Theres no way to predict who those guys will be. You need depth players to step up to win multiple playoff series in a row. Been that way forever.
 

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Vlad Namestnikov has one more season at 4.6 million. If the price was right, would you take a flyer on him? Maybe for the Hawks and/or Boston’s 4th?

He had 31 points in 78 games and could definitely use a change in scenery. If the Blackhawks aren’t going to go hog wild in free agency he might be an interesting experiment
 

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Wait, so which part is recency bias?

Suggesting the Bozak’s and Maroon types are some sort of thing teams need to “get through the playoffs”. This Blues team is similar to the last decade of Blues teams. They have zero cup appearances. Meanwhile Chicago, Pittsburgh and LA won a combined 8 cups and had stars “get them through”. Its just a narrative the media creates due to a small sample of games imo
 
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RememberTheRoar

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Suggesting the Bozak’s and Maroon types are some sort of thing teams need to “get through the playoffs”. This Blues team is similar to the last decade of Blues teams. They have zero cup appearances. Meanwhile Chicago, Pittsburgh and LA won a combined 8 cups and had stars “get them through”. Its just a narrative the media creates due to a small sample of games imo


You just said, "You need depth players to step up to win multiple playoff series in a row."

I guess I don't understand the difference between what you're saying and what they're saying.
 

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You just said, "You need depth players to step up to win multiple playoff series in a row."

I guess I don't understand the difference between what you're saying and what they're saying.

On average stars get teams “through the playoffs”. But sometimes said stars neutralize each other and its a depth matchup. But to suggest the maroons and bozaks of the world get teams to the promise land is ridiculous...how many conn smythes have gone to depth players
 

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On average stars get teams “through the playoffs”. But sometimes said stars neutralize each other and its a depth matchup. But to suggest the maroons and bozaks of the world get teams to the promise land is ridiculous...how many conn smythes have gone to depth players

I don't think they're suggesting it's Maroon single-handedly.

They're saying there are guys who thrive in the regular season, but who will disappear in the playoffs, and there are guys who will be invisible in the regular season but thrive in the playoffs.
 

Toews2Bickell

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I don't think they're suggesting it's Maroon single-handedly.

They're saying there are guys who thrive in the regular season, but who will disappear in the playoffs, and there are guys who will be invisible in the regular season but thrive in the playoffs.

So now bozak and maroon are playoff performers based on like 8 games? Just seems like nonsense...
 

Toews2Bickell

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I don't know. I'd go listen to the podcast so you can hear for yourself. I must be misrepresenting what they're saying to elicit this type of pushback.

I doubt it. Just saying the media glorifies depth players in the playoffs based off small samples.
 

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Interesting article from Scotty Powers today. Seems like core was slow to buy in to JC. Keith and Seabrook mentioned as having a hard time transitioning. No surprise there with their names being floated around at the deadline. Barry Smith in particular had some strong words to suggest complacency by core.

From the article:

“The thing with Jeremy is sometimes you hear things on the bench during the heat of the game, you can’t take it personally, whatever,” Smith said. “These guys are competitors. This is a f***ing war going on out there. Also how you deal with some of the guys that have been around for a while, you have to deal with them a little differently than you do a younger guy. They feel entitled. They’re a little bit more take it easy; I’ve won my Cups. So every guy you have to approach a little differently. I had to learn way back as well.
 

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More from the article:

Colliton also understands better now why the Blackhawks’ veterans took so long to adapt.

“I would have loved if we could have adjusted quicker,” Colliton said. “I personally hadn’t been through playing the same way for 10 years. I haven’t had that experience. I’ve had the experience where I’ve played a lot of different ways for different coaches, all sorts of systems. And as a coach, I’ve used a bunch of different systems according to what you have for players. I probably didn’t expect it to take as long as it did to adjust how we play. And we didn’t change everything, we only changed a few things, but it was difficult, and the results were related to that. But we got through it.”
 

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Also, Colliton is again trying to clarify that his defensive system is NOT man-to-man, as some in the media keep saying:

You can argue the Blackhawks don’t have the correct personnel to play it, but there are teams who play similar systems, like the New York Islanders, Vegas Golden Knights and Washington Capitals.

So what is it?

“We started calling it ‘man-and-a-half’ just because we’re not looking for guys to follow around their check in the zone,” Colliton said. “We want to defend from the middle. We want pressure on the puck. That’s important. If you don’t have pressure on the puck, guys are going to make plays. If you give them time, they’re going to find something. But also we need to assign some responsibility to the other four guys as far as taking away their time and space. We want to be ready to jump on loose pucks. We want to be ready to join a battle if the pressure on the puck, the guy who’s putting pressure on the puck, creates a battle.

“But when there’s a play that goes to the net or there is time for the puck carrier, we need to be able to close on them. That’s where the man-to-man part is. There’s some responsibility assigned. You’re not standing beside them, but there has to be some sorting, there has to be some responsibility as far who’s going to have who when there’s a loose puck or there’s a potential scoring chance or there’s a scramble at the net.”
 

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It's really foolish to promote Maroon and Bozak as keys of why the blues are better in the playoffs when it's the likes of having legit top 6 centers now with the add of O'Reilly and a goalie not being poor year in and out they banked on.
 

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Also, Colliton is again trying to clarify that his defensive system is NOT man-to-man, as some in the media keep saying:

You can argue the Blackhawks don’t have the correct personnel to play it, but there are teams who play similar systems, like the New York Islanders, Vegas Golden Knights and Washington Capitals.

So what is it?

“We started calling it ‘man-and-a-half’ just because we’re not looking for guys to follow around their check in the zone,” Colliton said. “We want to defend from the middle. We want pressure on the puck. That’s important. If you don’t have pressure on the puck, guys are going to make plays. If you give them time, they’re going to find something. But also we need to assign some responsibility to the other four guys as far as taking away their time and space. We want to be ready to jump on loose pucks. We want to be ready to join a battle if the pressure on the puck, the guy who’s putting pressure on the puck, creates a battle.

“But when there’s a play that goes to the net or there is time for the puck carrier, we need to be able to close on them. That’s where the man-to-man part is. There’s some responsibility assigned. You’re not standing beside them, but there has to be some sorting, there has to be some responsibility as far who’s going to have who when there’s a loose puck or there’s a potential scoring chance or there’s a scramble at the net.”
Sounds like JC would love Jamieson Rees.

Would be a great second round pick for us...
 

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Rumor has it the cap may not be going up that much this year.

Stan needs to be careful with contracts he hands out this year. But at the same time, this is the perfect opportunity to take advantage of teams who may be in even more trouble cap wise.
 

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I only expected it to rise to 81M so if that is around area it ends up that is fine with me and Hawks are still in pretty good shape now and going forward
 

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I only expected it to rise to 81M so if that is around area it ends up that is fine with me and Hawks are still in pretty good shape now and going forward

If it goes up to $81 or less the Leafs are in real trouble and may need to seriously consider shipping out Marner
 

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Every year this happens. NHL projects a high number, gets revised to nevermind no cap increase is possible. Probably lands at 81.5-82m instead of 83.
 
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