Speculation: 2019-20 Expected Blackhawks Roster Part 4 - To Eberle or Not to Eberle - that is the question..

[Kevin Musto]

Here's how you play out the scenario:

Stan Bowman calls Kyle Dubas
Kyle Dubas picks up the phone

STAN: Hey, Kyle. This is Stan.
KYLE: THE Stan Bowman? I'm your biggest fan.
STAN: Who isn't?
KYLE: That Strome trade was generational. How'd you pull it off?
STAN: Chayka is a nerd.
KYLE: Wow, Mr. Bowman. You're so cool!
STAN: Listen, Kyle. I'm here to discuss a trade.
KYLE: What are you proposing?
STAN: A one for one trade. Brent Seabrook for Mitch Marner straight up.
KYLE: You must be joking.
STAN: They have KFC in Toronto don't they?
KYLE: Well yeah, but-
STAN: Then I see no problem.
KYLE: Except for the fact that the value is way off. Why would I ever take that deal?
STAN: Because if you don't, I'm offer sheeting Marner.
KYLE:

 

[BK]

Schmaltz will never surpass his 2017-18 season, Jokiharju and Beaudin are still unproven, and Hartman is a 4th liner. I'll take Marner.

He was surpassing it this season with AZ.

 

[Kevin Musto]

He was surpassing it this season with AZ.

And now he has a torn ACL.

 

[BK]

And now he has a torn ACL.

You are out to lunch if you think he won’t top 52 points in his career.

 

[borednow]

If we’re talking 4 mid to late 1sts...


Marner


Schmaltz
Jokiharju
Beaudin
Hartman

Who wins the trade?

Toronto by a landslide. Hartman is whatever, but the other 3 are or project to be top 6/top 4 players. Marner is great, but he's not even close to being worth 3 quality players. And that's not even getting into how much you would have to pay Marner.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Toronto by a landslide. Hartman is whatever, but the other 3 are or project to be top 6/top 4 players. Marner is great, but he's not even close to being worth 3 quality players. And that's not even getting into how much you would have to pay Marner.

You can’t be serious. Marner is an absolute game changer. You give up those 4 players without thinking twice.

How often do draft a player that puts up 94 points in a season?

 

[RememberTheRoar]

You can’t be serious. Marner is an absolute game changer. You give up those 4 players without thinking twice.

How often do draft a player that puts up 94 points in a season?

While being able to PK and being one of the best forwards in the league at stripping the puck... at 21 years old.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Sign Datsyuk 10M/1 YR

Just looked up his stats, 47 games from 1000 and 72 points from 1000. Not sure if he can hit 72 points but how sweet would it be to see him reach those milestones in a Hawk sweater?

 

[RememberTheRoar]

View attachment 223535

Sign Datsyuk 10M/1 YR

Just looked up his stats, 47 games from 1000 and 72 points from 1000. Not sure if he can hit 72 points but how sweet would it be to see him reach those milestones in a Hawk sweater?

Joe Thornton still looks good at 40, I'm sure Datsyuk could be an excellent 3rd line center for a year.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Joe Thornton still looks good at 40, I'm sure Datsyuk could be an excellent 3rd line center for a year.

For his defensive abilities alone it would be worth it. He is one of the few around that could bring back what Hossa was bringing to the table stripping pucks and driving possession up front.

If in fact he would return to the NHL and this isn’t just about getting more money from the KHL, it would be reminiscent of Sundin signing for 1 year in Vancouver. We’d make whatever small moves around the edges we wanted then give Dats whatever cap is remaining.

 

[migi]

Offer sheet Marner, trade Saad and Anisimov next year. Roll with Toews, Kane, Marner, DeBrincat and Strome as the next Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa and Saad. Then we probably have Boqvist, Byram, Jokiharju, Mitchell and Beaudin. When they are due to raises, Toews and Kane's contracts are basically off the books and they will take discounts.

Quick math takes that combination with a goalie as $66 millions, give or take. 11 player, we need still the rest. Assuming ~90mil and assuming those 5 Dmen all get about ~7mil cap hits (so basically all of them pan out) which never happens (some might get more, some might get less), it's still over $2,4mil per player. Couple ELC's and the rest get more.

This is just a fast take but let's offersheet Marner pretty please. Because it's doable heh.

 

[bwana63]

Frolik would help overall team defense, and especially the penalty kill. Can play that top 6 complementary role, or move up and down with Kahun, Perlini, Kubalik, Saad, etc.

Kylington, I've always been high on. I think he can be a poor mans Keith. Kid has the athleticism to log 25+ mins a game, such a great skater.

Good call on Kylington. Frolik, I'm more on the fence on. He's certainly not a sexy choice, but you make a good case. It all depends on what he's willing to take.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Offer sheet Marner, trade Saad and Anisimov next year. Roll with Toews, Kane, Marner, DeBrincat and Strome as the next Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa and Saad. Then we probably have Boqvist, Byram, Jokiharju, Mitchell and Beaudin. When they are due to raises, Toews and Kane's contracts are basically off the books and they will take discounts.

Quick math takes that combination with a goalie as $66 millions, give or take. 11 player, we need still the rest. Assuming ~90mil and assuming those 5 Dmen all get about ~7mil cap hits (so basically all of them pan out) which never happens (some might get more, some might get less), it's still over $2,4mil per player. Couple ELC's and the rest get more.

This is just a fast take but let's offersheet Marner pretty please. Because it's doable heh.

Honestly, if Stan did it, I wouldn't be mad.

Marner seems like a pretty rare player.

I think I'm going to go home and do it on my NHL 19 franchise haha.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Rolling into the 2020-21 season:

Kurashev-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Strome-Marner
Kubalik-Kampf-Kahun
Caggiula-Barratt-Entwistle

Keith-Jokiharju
Byram-Mitchell
Boqvist-Seabrook

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Rolling into the 2020-21 season:

Kurashev-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Strome-Marner
Kubalik-Kampf-Kahun
Caggiula-Barratt-Entwistle

Keith-Jokiharju
Byram-Mitchell
Boqvist-Seabrook

Get the plate cleaner out of the lineup and we’re good.

Keith-Boqvist
Byram-Mitchell
Beaudin-Jokiharju
KFC

 

[crazyhawk]

Offer sheeting Marner is just plain crazy talk. Toronto would match any number up to 12 M I would think.
That means offering him 12.5 - 13 M ... 10.5 + 10.5 + 12.5 + 6.875 + 6.0 + 6.0 + 5.538 + 4.550 + 3.850 =66.313 for 9 players for this coming year. The other 11 players or so will be another 12 M or so which = 78 M ish with an estimated 83 M for 2019-20. Leaves us with maybe 5M to spare.
That's just too top heavy. Sure we can trade away Anisimov and maybe Saad but signing Debrincat, Strome, Gustafsson etc will be tough. Plus we lose 4 1st round picks! Plus Stan may lose a little love amongst the GM's of the league. We don't see offer sheets happening very often .. I wonder why.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Honestly, if Stan did it, I wouldn't be mad.

Marner seems like a pretty rare player.

I think I'm going to go home and do it on my NHL 19 franchise haha.

After missing out entirely on the 2015 first round, Stan has made it his mission to collect every single 2015 first round draft pick.

We coming for you McDavid.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Offer sheeting Marner is just plain crazy talk. Toronto would match any number up to 12 M I would think.
That means offering him 12.5 - 13 M ... 10.5 + 10.5 + 12.5 + 6.875 + 6.0 + 6.0 + 5.538 + 4.550 + 3.850 =66.313 for 9 players for this coming year. The other 11 players or so will be another 12 M or so which = 78 M ish with an estimated 83 M for 2019-20. Leaves us with maybe 5M to spare.
That's just too top heavy. Sure we can trade away Anisimov and maybe Saad but signing Debrincat, Strome, Gustafsson etc will be tough. Plus we lose 4 1st round picks! Plus Stan may lose a little love amongst the GM's of the league. We don't see offer sheets happening very often .. I wonder why.

I’d be okay sacrificing one of Strome or DeBrincat for Marner, if it really came down to that. I think he’s more impactful than both of them.

 

[Rolo]

LOL. This board thinks...

Marner > Panarin + 4 FIRST round picks?

Have you been watching this guy in the playoffs? He's finally playing with a legit 1C in Duchene, and dominating.

People think we'll be picking at the 25+ range?

Hell, next year we might be a bottom 10 team again.

Panarin is a skilled guy, not a Lucic/Ladd type player. If he signs 7 years (at 28) he'll be good for atleast 5 years of that contract.

Obviously I rather not go for either, I like our offensive core.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

LOL. This board thinks...

Marner > Panarin + 4 FIRST round picks?

Have you been watching this guy in the playoffs? He's finally playing with a legit 1C in Duchene, and dominating.

People think we'll be picking at the 25+ range?

Hell, next year we might be a bottom 10 team again.

Panarin is a skilled guy, not a Lucic/Ladd type player. If he signs 7 years (at 28) he'll be good for atleast 5 years of that contract.

Obviously I rather not go for either, I like our offensive core.

Panarin needs to want to sign here. Marner would as well but his incentive would be to force Toronto to pay him what he wants...

 

[Toews2Bickell]

@Kevin Musto where is the photoshopped marner in a hawks jersey...leafs fans will take the bait in mainboard threads...time to bring mitch home

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I’d be okay sacrificing one of Strome or DeBrincat for Marner, if it really came down to that. I think he’s more impactful than both of them.

Ideally Stan would have some intel that uncle jerry is coming with a compliance buyout...that would basically pay for cat...Crow, Anisimov, Murphy and Saad free up another ~20mil to pay Strome and some others.

 

[Kevin Musto]

@Kevin Musto where is the photoshopped marner in a hawks jersey...leafs fans will take the bait in mainboard threads...time to bring mitch home

 

[Styles]

Yeah it’s definitely the off-season.

 

[Styles]

Also hilarious that people would rather have Marner and give up 4 firsts than have Panarin for free and keep them. Marner is good but he’s not 12M good. No way I take that deal. Say Crawford, Kane or Toews get injured. We could be a lottery team easily at some point in the next 4 years.

I’d much rather be able to extend Strome and Cat.