Nope. Centers are more valuable than wingers as a general rule. Just like centers are more valuable than goaltenders.
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Nope. Centers are more valuable than wingers as a general rule. Just like centers are more valuable than goaltenders.
The Great Weal
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Nobody said that Zadina is a meh prospect. He is still a bluechip prospect. He is just nowhere near Svechnikov in any way. All you do in their comparison is bring up irrelevant U20 and prospect games that don't mean anything.You are slighting Zadina when you call him a meh prospect. Just cause you are high on Svechnikov and his 44 games, it don't mean there is a major drop from him to Zadina. I think there is a gap but it's nowhere near as big as you are presenting. That is my point.
You want to talk about what each player can do when the playing field is even (you compared QMJHL vs OHL)... Svechnikov scored 2 goals in 7 games while Zadina scored 7 goals in 7 games in the U20 World Juniors. Zadina scored 2 goals and Svechnikov didn't score in the prospects game. Does this mean Zadina is better? NO! What it does show you is how these two perform when the competition gets better though!
Fast forward a few years from now and I don't see much difference between these two. Edge goes to Svechnikov for sure but the gap is not significant.
WinterLion
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I feel your pain.
I wish I could get behind Boqvist more. Was he just particularly boring at the U-18's? I think I watched 3 or 4 games and was impressed for a bit of the Canada game.
Habs Halifax
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Because you can't prorate stats to be a sure thing over a 82 game schedule. How about Zadina's 7 goals in 7 games in the U20 World Juniors while Svechnikov scored 2 in 7 games? The gap between these two is not significant.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Boqvist is impressive because of his smarts. In all of his U-18 games, I don't think anyone pressured him once. He made the right play almost every time. When he went on offense, when something didn't work, he already had the foresight to know how it wouldn't work and was back to cover it up almost immediately.
le_sean
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If they are equal in everything else, sure. It doesn't mean I'd want Byron Froese over Nikita Kucherov.
You know who was just in the Finnish league and became a #1 centre in the NHL? Barkov. You know what Barkov did his draft year? 20 more points than Kotkaniemi, playing as a centre the entire year and he didn't disappear in the playoffs like Kotkaniemi. He's a better skater and a better playmaker. I don't see 1C upside with the kid.
The fact remains everyone in the professional ranks, every single person, has Zadina over Kotkaniemi. You have to draft the best player.
Mrb1p
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Nah Boqvist is fantastic just like Zadina... but hes not Dahlin or Svechnikov.
Habs Halifax
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The Great Schlemko... Here you go! Be careful when you say "Nobody"
Mrb1p
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But then youre actually taking the best case scenario. Barkov is a top 10, if not 5 in this league. Can we start with top 30?
The Great Weal
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Svech was recovering from an injury, and he never played the amount that Zadina did. The Russian coach never plays younger guys.
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He is talking about in comparison to Dahlin and Svechnikov... Zadina is still an unbelievable prospect, and he said it himself as well.
Mrb1p
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Svechnikov played 4th line and had no PP yet produced at a PPG clip in the WJC. Tell me more.
Habs Halifax
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Good points but it don't mean that Svechnikov scores 62 goals in 68 games (prorated). I have him as the #2 ranked guy but Zadina is not significantly behind him.
Mrb1p
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No matter how many times you repeat this, it will not make it true. This draft is similar to 2016, theres a clear separation between one and two and a drop off drom 2 and 3.
DramaticGloveSave
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I think you're taking the "meh" too literal. I mean, maybe Mrb1p meant Zadina is meh (I can't speak for him and don't want to imply that was his meaning), but I interpret it more like how a lot of people really wanted #1, and obviously if not #1, then #2. Getting #3 after a 2 hour wait was kind of demoralizing. I mean, it is kind of like when I was worried about getting #6 or #7, which is Dobson territory. I really like Dobson a lot, but he'd be kind of a let down if potentially Hughes or Wahlstrom were still on the board.
Same goes with Tkachuk. I don't think he is a bad prospect at all, but after the gong show this season, I kind of what something that goes against the team's past way of thinking.
Anyhow, won't debate the word "meh" was used, but I don't think anyone actually thinks Zadina is "meh".
Andrei79
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The one where Zadina was outscored by Brady Tkachuk ?
How about this: Zadina had the best center in the tourney (with Mittelstadt) and given prime ice time from the get go.
Svechnikov was coming back from a broken hand, playing for a coach that never plays 17 year olds. He was played on the fourth line yet still put up ppg. Only 1 Russian (Kostin) managed to out-ppg him.
That's what you call an even playing field ? Come on.
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If you're suggesting a low percentage for Patches in a futures alone return, then the odds are probably zero.
However, based on what was being reported prior to the TDL, they were looking for a player, top pick and prospect. Even if we assume that the Habs' demands were exaggerated or even if Pacioretty's potential return would have been better at the TDL than now, there is a better than 50% chance in my view that a top pick is included in a return for him.
DramaticGloveSave
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Svechnikov could also be Yakupov and Zadina could be Forsberg....
WeThreeKings
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Yes but what Svech did with no ice time was impressive.
Zadina was on the top line and top PP unit. Svech did not have that.
Mrb1p
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Obviously he did, but Svechnikov didnt exactly play or get put in a position to dominate and anytime he was on the ice with Kostin, they controlled the play and destroyed their opposition.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
I think theres a new air of desperation around MB with all the changes to his buddies in his staff and the likelihood he's canned if it goes bad again.
Habs Halifax
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This is your angle of the debate:
Everything Zadina did well this year: It don't matter
Everything Svechnikov did well this year: It means he should be compared to McDavid
Svechnikov > Zadina. However Zadina is not a "meh" prospect and the gap between these two is not significant
Mrb1p
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What do you guys think of Simon Johansson? Was just scouring through eliteprospects a bit and his name came up, intriguing size and stats but I haven't seen him play.
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