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2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

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Steve Kournianos, on the main boards, compared Tkachuk to a mix of three players who consistently struggle to put up 50 points ( Staal, Dubinsky, Hartnell), then said that's a tough player to pass at 3 or 4.

What am I missing here :huh:
 
DramaticGloveSave said:
I really wouldn't be shocked if Zadina ends up better. Zadina always looks better when they're on the same ice, and Svechnikov benefitted greatly from superior line mates.

Point is both are LWs so not who we should be crying over.
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... and how many time they have played on the same ice ? 40 games ? 80 games ? :sarcasm:
 
Andrei79 said:
Steve Kournianos, on the main boards, compared Tkachuk to a mix of three players who consistently struggle to put up 50 points ( Staal, Dubinsky, Hartnell), then said that's a tough player to pass at 3 or 4.

What am I missing here :huh:
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While also saying he takes zadina, Farabee and Veleno ahead of Tkachuk.
 
Maitz said:
If he is still there in the 25-30 we have to move up to get Dellandrea
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I can see him going around the same place as Robert Thomas last year, 20-24. I just can't see him getting by San Jose, Ottawa (2nd 1st), Anaheim & Minnesota (places 21-24). All of whom need young centers.

There are a couple of scouts who have him in the 2nd rd & there seems to be about 40 guys ranked in that 20-40 spot, but I think Dellandrea is one that actually will go there, which really sucks.
 
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So there's a post on the Sens board saying you know who just released his draft guide and in it, a quote from an NHL scout saying they have Jesperi in their top 4.
 
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goalchenyuk said:
... and how many time they have played on the same ice ? 40 games ? 80 games ? :sarcasm:
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U18s... WJC... TopProspects...

And it's not just head to head matchups, it's playing in common tournaments.

I'm not knocking Svechnikov, just Zadina has been so damn impressive on the biggest of stages. Svechnikov definitely had the more impressive year (though it's not like Zadina didn't lead the Q in ES goals...)

I think it just should be noted that Svechnikov had a better situation for offensive production with his junior team than Zadina did.
 
DramaticGloveSave said:
U18s... WJC... TopProspects...

And it's not just head to head matchups, it's playing in common tournaments.

I'm not knocking Svechnikov, just Zadina has been so damn impressive on the biggest of stages. Svechnikov definitely had the more impressive year (though it's not like Zadina didn't lead the Q in ES goals...)

I think it just should be noted that Svechnikov had a better situation for offensive production with his junior team than Zadina did.
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He didn't. Zadina, however, had a vastly superior situation for the WJC.

Svech outproduced Zadina at the U18s btw.
 
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DramaticGloveSave said:
U18s... WJC... TopProspects...

And it's not just head to head matchups, it's playing in common tournaments.

I'm not knocking Svechnikov, just Zadina has been so damn impressive on the biggest of stages. Svechnikov definitely had the more impressive year (though it's not like Zadina didn't lead the Q in ES goals...)

I think it just should be noted that Svechnikov had a better situation for offensive production with his junior team than Zadina did.
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But on the biggest stages that Zadina did so well on (wjc).... Zadina had the better situation...... By far..
 
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Andrei79 said:
By that token, let's draft Dudas 3rd.

Since he shined in a skills comp.

That one game, an all star game, is basically what your argument comes down to.
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Dudas would be great for 3rd

EDIT: I thought you meant 3rd round.
 
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The Top Prospects game is meaningless to scouts, you hear it pretty much all the time. It's for the lesser known guys to draw somebody's eye.
 
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DramaticGloveSave said:
Okay... even if you want to go there, what about the top prospects game?
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One meaningless game....... One game.....
Zadina is a better stick handler. That is all. Svechnikov is a better skater, has a better shot, is more physical, better defensively, stronger on the puck, stronger along the boards, more complete offensive game. He's literally better at everything other than stick handling. And that's because Svechnikov can beat defenders with speed and Zadina cannot, so he needs to stick handle more than Svechnikov. Zadina is a fantastic prospect, but Svech is definitely a tier above.
 
NoQuinn said:
One meaningless game....... One game.....
Zadina is a better stick handler. That is all. Svechnikov is a better skater, has a better shot, is more physical, better defensively, stronger on the puck, stronger along the boards, more complete offensive game. He's literally better at everything other than stick handling. And that's because Svechnikov can beat defenders with speed and Zadina cannot, so he needs to stick handle more than Svechnikov. Zadina is a fantastic prospect, but Svech is definitely a tier above.
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I also brought up the WJC but you had an excuse...

Also disagree on much of that. Svechnikov is the more dynamic offensive player due to being bigger and a better skater, but Zadina IMO has better hands, a better shot, is more physical, competes harder, and is a smarter player. Not saying Svechnikov isn't any of those things, but Zadina really is a hard working and smart player who goes to where he needs to in order to score.

But whatever... if you guys want to be (in typical self hating habs fan fashion) a debbie downer about missing out on Svechnikov when we have the opportunity to draft Zadina, you can do that. (not directed just at you btw)
 
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I also brought up the WJC but you had an excuse...

Also disagree on much of that. Svechnikov is the more dynamic offensive player due to being bigger and a better skater, but Zadina IMO has better hands, a better shot, is more physical, competes harder, and is a smarter player. Not saying Svechnikov isn't any of those things, but Zadina really is a hard working and smart player who goes to where he needs to in order to score.

But whatever... if you guys want to be (in typical self hating habs fan fashion) a debbie downer about missing out on Svechnikov when we have the opportunity to draft Zadina, you can do that. (not directed just at you btw)
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If were nitpicking, the only shot Zadina executes better than Svechnikov is a heavy wrist shot. Svechnikov is much more physical and is smarter in the offensive zone as is shown by his better passing game.

This isn't self hating, many of us didn't clearly have Zadina at #3 before the lottery and we had Svechnikov as the clear #2. To make to clear, I personally have Svechnikov closer to Dahlin than i do to #3.
 
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DramaticGloveSave said:
I also brought up the WJC but you had an excuse...

Also disagree on much of that. Svechnikov is the more dynamic offensive player due to being bigger and a better skater, but Zadina IMO has better hands, a better shot, is more physical, competes harder, and is a smarter player. Not saying Svechnikov isn't any of those things, but Zadina really is a hard working and smart player who goes to where he needs to in order to score.

But whatever... if you guys want to be (in typical self hating habs fan fashion) a debbie downer about missing out on Svechnikov when we have the opportunity to draft Zadina, you can do that. (not directed just at you btw)
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But I'm sure your just totally objective and not overvaluing the prospect that we are most likely to pick...:thumbu:
 
NoQuinn said:
But I'm sure your just totally objective and not overvaluing the prospect that we are most likely to pick...:thumbu:
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The writing on the wall definitely seems to be indicating that we will not be taking Zadina. And if we directly pass on him at 3, I will be critical of that move. I've been consistantly bullish on Zadina since well before the lottery when we had little chance at him.
 
DramaticGloveSave said:
The writing on the wall definitely seems to be indicating that we will not be taking Zadina. And if we directly pass on him at 3, I will be critical of that move. I've been consistantly bullish on Zadina since well before the lottery when we had little chance at him.
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Hey Zadina would be a great pic. Don't get me wrong we'd be lucky to have a prospect like him. Everything I've heard about him attitude wise is positive as well. I think Svechnikov is better, but that doesn't mean I think Zadina is bad. There are quite a few players I like at three but Zadina is definitely one of them.
 
Have to wonder if Bergevin has asked about the possibility of a trade for Martin Necas(RHC) for Carolina. A line with Necas(C) + Drouin(LW) + Zadina could be a great unit for ES + 1st PP unit IMHO!!!...:nod::nod::nod: Then again Kotkaneimi(C) + Drouin(LW) + Lehkonen(RW) could be a great ES unit + 1st PP unit, without a trade. Dobson being a possible Robinson clone is a great option too, hard decisions to be made with the 3rd OV, nice to have instead of 6th which was the Habs most likely odds before the lottery.:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
 
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