2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

[Habs76]

The thing I like about Wilson is that he has quite a bit of skill. He is what Therrien tried to make Prust on the Prust - Galchenyuk - Gallagher line.

Oh yeah. I think DSP has a bit of that to his game, thank God for Matteau though amirite.

 

[Janne Niinimaa]

Oh yeah. I think DSP has a bit of that to his game, thank God for Matteau though amirite.

Almost 0.5ppg in the AHL. Excellent.

 

[Habby Patty]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...on-poll-added.2403797/page-160#post-146563269

Seems like the Ottawa fans are quite high on Tkachuk at 4OA. That is only one spot after us. I don't understand why you all spit on him and bad mouth him so much. He looks great will probably come out of this draft as one of the better players. I'd only rather get Svech, Zad or Kotka and I know there are certain prospects you guys would rather have as well, but you should not be bad mouthing a 18 year old kid who did nothing wrong. You guys are all super high on BobbyMac's rankings and he has a 'big four' that consists of Zad, Svech, Dahlin and Tkachuk. If BobbyMac sees potential in Tkachuk, then I think I trust him more then everyone who is bad mouthing him on this thread.

 

[Habs76]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...on-poll-added.2403797/page-160#post-146563269

Seems like the Ottawa fans are quite high on Tkachuk at 4OA. That is only one spot after us. I don't understand why you all spit on him and bad mouth him so much. He looks great will probably come out of this draft as one of the better players. I'd only rather get Svech, Zad or Kotka and I know there are certain prospects you guys would rather have as well, but you should not be bad mouthing a 18 year old kid who did nothing wrong. You guys are all super high on BobbyMac's rankings and he has a 'big four' that consists of Zad, Svech, Dahlin and Tkachuk. If BobbyMac sees potential in Tkachuk, then I think I trust him more then everyone who is bad mouthing him on this thread.

McKenzie himself isn't necessarily, his rankings are a consensus from scouts. I'm also not "anti-Tkachuk". I'll love the guy as a Hab, he's just not good value at 3.

 

[G0bias]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...on-poll-added.2403797/page-160#post-146563269

Seems like the Ottawa fans are quite high on Tkachuk at 4OA. That is only one spot after us. I don't understand why you all spit on him and bad mouth him so much. He looks great will probably come out of this draft as one of the better players. I'd only rather get Svech, Zad or Kotka and I know there are certain prospects you guys would rather have as well, but you should not be bad mouthing a 18 year old kid who did nothing wrong. You guys are all super high on BobbyMac's rankings and he has a 'big four' that consists of Zad, Svech, Dahlin and Tkachuk. If BobbyMac sees potential in Tkachuk, then I think I trust him more then everyone who is bad mouthing him on this thread.

BMac's lists are compiled from 10 scouts' opinion. He merely relays the information.

 

[The Great Weal]

Oh yeah. I think DSP has a bit of that to his game, thank God for Matteau though amirite.

I mean the Devils didn't want him either and he played much better for them

 

[Habby Patty]

BMac's lists are compiled from 10 scouts' opinion. He merely relays the information.

Well, even if that is true, that is obviously not my point at all. It doesn't matter who is presenting the info, those 10 scouts all had high praise for Tkachuk and considered as in the same tier as Dahlin, Svech and Zad. Don't take what I just said there the wrong way either. Obviously Dahlin is way better then Tkachuk but he is still seen as in that 'big four'.

 

[G0bias]

Well, even if that is true, that is obviously not my point at all. It doesn't matter who is presenting the info, those 10 scouts all had high praise for Tkachuk and considered as in the same tier as Dahlin, Svech and Zad. Don't take what I just said there the wrong way either. Obviously Dahlin is way better then Tkachuk but he is still seen as in that 'big four'.

Sure, that's fine. I don't think people here are spitting on Tkachuk either. He wouldn't be in everyone's top 10-12 if they were.

But the appeal to authority is a lazy way to approach the draft. If that's all it took, Bergevin might as well cut down all scouting costs and go off popular opinion.

 

[Habs76]

I mean the Devils didn't want him either and he played much better for them

The Caps did though, and they're about to win a Stanley Cup

 

[The Great Weal]

The Caps did though, and they're about to win a Stanley Cup

Because of DSP?

 

[Habs76]

Because of DSP?

He certainly hasn't hurt.

 

[G0bias]

Looks like O'Brien impressed in interviews and tests this weekend. With Blue Jackets apparently being quite high on him.
Told you guys he'd be up there (shoutout to @Mrb1p who was also high on him for a while). Late 1st to early 2nd looking like a strong possibility.

 

[jabes]

I wouldn't worry too much about player rankings via other websites. Mark Scheifele was ranked 14-16 on various sites and was taken 7th by Jets.

In fact at that 2011 draft there was a ton of discussion on this site surrounding Scheifele and Zibanejad.

Both were big centers who were definite risers through the second half. And, they both ranked around our spot at #17. The feeling was we could get one of them.

Instead, Zibanejad went shockingly 6th to Ottawa and Scheifele 7th to Winnipeg. It was the defensemen that fell. Beaulieu who had been ranked #9 fell to us at 17.

The only draft list teams care about are their own. Keller was ranked 10-11 in his draft year and he went 7th. Then there's the Dubois example.

Kotkaniemi ranked at 10 means he'll go higher. Historically, centers get drafted higher than their ranking & it's D & wingers that fall.

Good point. A few teams probably wish they took a chance on Kopitar higher than the 11th he went. Kotkaniemi had similar #'s in his first pro season as Kopitar and a year earlier. Everyone in the top 10-12 has a good chance at becoming a superstar. No real reaches. Most didn't have Barkov ahead of Seth Jones or Drouin and look how that has worked out.

 

[Saxon]

Sure, that's fine. I don't think people here are spitting on Tkachuk either. He wouldn't be in everyone's top 10-12 if they were.

But the appeal to authority is a lazy way to approach the draft. If that's all it took, Bergevin might as well cut down all scouting costs and go off popular opinion.

An argument of authority only works if everyone believes in the authority. Until I see someone that predicts the draft at a 100% rate every year than I will assume that their opinions are just, opinions and we are all as entitled to them as they are. I see no evidence that the authorities being appealed to have any better track record than some of the posters here. Why should I believe them? Because they are trying to market their lists?

 

[S Bah]

Kotkaniemi isn't gonna be available that low, you want top 12 picks in this years draft.

Yeah I know that TT1, just trying to keep a positive vibe going in here.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Not going to lie if there is a Tom Wilson type player coming up in an upcoming draft available in the mid to late 1st, i want him.

*cough* Tkachuk *cough*

 

[Mrb1p]

Good point. A few teams probably wish they took a chance on Kopitar higher than the 11th he went. Kotkaniemi had similar #'s in his first pro season as Kopitar and a year earlier. Everyone in the top 10-12 has a good chance at becoming a superstar. No real reaches. Most didn't have Barkov ahead of Seth Jones or Drouin and look how that has worked out.

Pretty much everyone and their mother had Barkov at two if I recall, and Jones in the top 3. Drouin was a reach.

 

[Mrb1p]

Looks like O'Brien impressed in interviews and tests this weekend. With Blue Jackets apparently being quite high on him.
Told you guys he'd be up there (shoutout to @Mrb1p who was also high on him for a while). Late 1st to early 2nd looking like a strong possibility.

O'brien is an obvious steal in the draft, a guy that can be on the radar playing where he plays is just a surefire bluechipper.

 

[le_sean]

Not going to lie if there is a Tom Wilson type player coming up in an upcoming draft available in the mid to late 1st, i want him.

Yeah a 35 point player while playing with Ovechkin and Kuznetsov!! What a player!!!!

 

[Runner77]

If Svechnikov isn't available at 3 i'd honestly try to trade down with the Isles for #11 + #12 + #43 (draft chart says thats about an even value trade). Even tho i love Zadina the top 12 in this draft is stacked enough to justify making that move.

Pick 2 of Kotkaniemi/Smith/Farabee at #11/#12 (most likely the 3 that will be available) and you still have #43.

It's a slam dunk that the Canes will take Svechnikov.

If the Habs really want him, they'd better put up a good offer.

 

[ZUKI]

Id rather be targeting an Ovechkin

Id rather be targeting an Eller ; A secret weapon !

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

It's a slam dunk that the Canes will take Svechnikov.

If the Habs really want him, they'd better put up a good offer.

There's about a 2% chance they take Tkachuk watching these playoffs.

Serron Noel might be another one but I don't think he has the troll factor in his repertoire

 

[Janne Niinimaa]

*cough* Tkachuk *cough*

I would love Tkachuk... in the mid to late first like I said in my post.

 

[Goldenhands]

Yeah a 35 point player while playing with Ovechkin and Kuznetsov!! What a player!!!!

He is a versatile power winger who is very strong on the puck, very physical and very tough to face and his skating is quite fine for his size... you need guy like him in your line-up to go through an entire season and playoffs... habs tried to get one in Mccarron but like we say, best luck next time... I wouldnt be against use a late 2nd or third to get a guy like Tompson if there is one in this draft...

 

[Schooner Guy]

Well, even if that is true, that is obviously not my point at all. It doesn't matter who is presenting the info, those 10 scouts all had high praise for Tkachuk and considered as in the same tier as Dahlin, Svech and Zad. Don't take what I just said there the wrong way either. Obviously Dahlin is way better then Tkachuk but he is still seen as in that 'big four'.

Tkachuk's accomplishments are undervalued here. He had 3 goals and 9 points in 7 WJC games before he was eligible for the draft. Kostkaniemi had the exact same numbers in 7 WU18 games and posters here are badmouthing Tkachuk's offense. He also had 31 points in 40 games in NCAA Hockey East and posters are comparing those numbers to CHL players which is ridiculous just like comparing Kostka's Finnish league points to CHL players is silly.

I see Tkachuk as a sure fire top 6 forward and likely a first line winger. I hated his father and now I can't stand his brother but the Habs sure could use someone with that combination of skill and edge to their game. We have been too easy to play against for too long. If Ottawa gets him, man are we ever going to hate that SOB!