2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

[Runner77]

We literally just traded for Drouin last year.

Yeah, but someone had a better read on the current value of the player. The other team lost a first pairing PMD who isn't moody, shows up to play and actually plays the position he was traded for. Imagine that.

 

[The Great Weal]

Yeah, but someone had a better read on the current value of the player. The other team lost a first pairing PMD who isn't moody, shows up to play and actually plays the position he was traded for. Imagine that.

Yzerman was trying to trade Drouin for a a decent amount of time. He wanted a Sergachev type player and I'm 100% positive he regrets passing on Jones. You can't count on other idiot GMs to maximize your assets.

 

[Runner77]

Yzerman was trying to trade Drouin for a a decent amount of time. He wanted a Sergachev type player and I'm 100% positive he regrets passing on Jones. You can't count on other idiot GMs to maximize your assets.

Yes you can. If you're dealing with MB or Chiarelli, there's a good chance they'll be doing the maximizing for you.

 

[The Great Weal]

Yes you can. If you're dealing with MB or Chiarelli, there's a good chance they'll be doing the maximizing for you.

MB and chia are most likely fired next year, they are 2 of the worst GMs I have ever seen.

 

[Runner77]

MB and chia are most likely fired next year, they are 2 of the worst GMs I have ever seen.

They have at least one more year to make other teams rich.

 

[The Great Weal]

They have at least one more year to make other teams rich.

But we wouldn't be trading the player we pick with our 3rd overall in that 1 year time span. Not every gm is going to be like that. I really doubt Yzerman would be able to trade Drouin for a more valuable asset if it wasn't for Bergevin.

 

[schnapshot]

Yeah, but someone had a better read on the current value of the player. The other team lost a first pairing PMD who isn't moody, shows up to play and actually plays the position he was traded for. Imagine that.

He’s far from a first pairing D just yet... Some of his defensive flaws are still very much there even if his offensive game is top notch.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

We literally just traded for Drouin last year.

Drouin isnt a franchise player (or at least not yet).
When he got drafted, he was expected to be much better than what he currently is.

If the player we draft 3rd overall does not become good relative to expectations then it was a bad pick.

Else its basically having a loser mentality.
"If the player doesnt end up as good as we thought he would be, well that sucks... but at least he's a center, so we could trade him and get some value back".
Do you really think Timmins or any other head scout thinks this way? For later picks maybe, but certainly not for high picks.

 

[Runner77]

But we wouldn't be trading the player we pick with our 3rd overall in that 1 year time span. Not every gm is going to be like that. I really doubt Yzerman would be able to trade Drouin for a more valuable asset if it wasn't for Bergevin.

I wouldn't put it past Bergevin to flip the 3rd OA for a player that fills a need. He's already on record about making the pick available in a trade. This coming from a guy who can't trade for fair market value if his life depended on it. A bat signal for fleecing has been sent out, it will not be taken lightly.

 

[Genghis Keon]

Value is only important if you think of trading that player.
I dont expect to trade whichever player we draft 3rd overall.

But if it's easier to trade for a good winger than a good centre or defenseman, why draft a potential good winger over a potential good centre or defenseman?

 

[WinterLion]

With the 3rd overall pick, you expect to get a franchise player. Those rarely get traded.

It is actually very rare that the 3rd overall becomes a franchise player.

 

[The Great Weal]

I wouldn't put it past Bergevin to flip the 3rd OA for a player that fills a need. He's already on record about making the pick available in a trade. This coming from a guy who can't trade for fair market value if his life depended on it. A bat signal for fleecing has been sent out, it will not be taken lightly.

There's a difference between trading the 3rd overall pick and trading a player you just drafted 3rd overall.

 

[Runner77]

He’s far from a first pairing D just yet... Some of his defensive flaws are still very much there even if his offensive game is top notch.

Maybe. But, what is Drouin exactly? Is he even a top line player?

 

[Runner77]

There's a difference between trading the 3rd overall pick and trading a player you just drafted 3rd overall.

I get that. But I was just going on a tangent since that 3rd OA is tenuous in Bergevin's hands. It would be hilarious if the pick is flipped, with the gazillion posts on this forum projecting a player who in the end, could end up on another club's roster.

 

[The Great Weal]

I get that. But I was just going on a tangent since that 3rd OA is tenuous in Bergevin's hands. It would be hilarious if the pick is flipped, with the gazillion posts on this forum projecting a player who in the end, could end up on another club's roster.

Oh for sure. Wouldn't be surprised if we traded it for Oreilly or something.

 

[admiralcadillac]

I know, there are some pretty big egos in this thread. Three posters here could easily be worth 30.

You're selling me short

 

[Mrb1p]

Yeah, but someone had a better read on the current value of the player. The other team lost a first pairing PMD who isn't moody, shows up to play and actually plays the position he was traded for. Imagine that.

What about Seth Jones?

Ryan Johansen?

They never get traded?

Tyler Seguin?
Taylor Hall?
Adam Larsson?
Evander Kane?

 

[schnapshot]

Maybe. But, what is Drouin exactly? Is he even a top line player?

I think he could be if placed in the right spot.

He recorded 46 points on an offensively challenged and mediocre team this year whilst playing the wrong position. Who knows, if he gets 14 more points with improved scoring from the team in general and playing as a winger (where he can really use his speed and creativity) you could say he is a first-line winger with 60 points.

Since Dmen are more valuable than wingers, I’m not defending the trade but I wouldn’t label Serg an elite Dman just yet.

 

[Runner77]

You're selling me short

Actually, no such thing was intended. There are three regulars here who are huge Hughes proponents. We'll have to wait til next week to see where the wind pushes them to, next.

 

[Runner77]

I think he could be if placed in the right spot.

He recorded 46 points on an offensively challenged and mediocre team this year whilst playing the wrong position. Who knows, if he gets 14 more points with improved scoring from the team in general and playing as a winger (where he can really use his speed and creativity) you could say he is a first-line winger with 60 points.

Since Dmen are more valuable than wingers, I’m not defending the trade but I wouldn’t label Serg an elite Dman just yet.

Let's just say Sergachev has the potential to be a first pairing D. One thing is certain, we have no one like him and on the Habs, he would have been slotted as that guy. Asset management is not MB's forte, clearly.

 

[S Bah]

Even Sydney Crosby & Steven Stamkos had their problems adjusting in their rookie seasons. These are two of the very best centers in the last decade, with extraordinary work ethic's combined with being extremely talented players. Putting expectations upon any prospect can be detrimental to their confidence, Montreal fans can be extremely tough on even the very best prospects. One needs only look at the trials & tribulations of former #1 Junior Center Guy Lafleur (When draft age was 20yrs.old) took three yrs. before breaking out as a great RW, playing for the perennial Stanley Cup Champion Montreal Canadiens in the early 1970's. The Habs are far removed from being the NHL powerhouse that can deflect the attention off of their prospects, now.

A fact not lost on this old Habs fan, imagine the stress upon the shoulders of the young Galchenyuk & Drouin in becoming the Next One for their Habs SCC hopes. Truly the expectations one see's laid upon both Connor McDavid & Auston Matthews to lead Edmonton & Toronto to the promised land, should open the eyes of our fans. It takes a very special personality/talent to be able to cope with the struggles/expectations at a mere 18 yrs. of age. Back Off as Yosemite Sam so bluntly states, give these hopefuls a fighting chance at succeeding to be an NHLer, before anointing them as a messiah. Just saying whomever is chosen @ #3 OV needs fans to treat them as though he was a member of their family. Instead of like a superman, invincible to both mistakes & criticism, before ever strapping on the Habs colors.

 

[WinterLion]

Well this is interesting. Pronman puts Kotkienemi in the same tier as Zadina, Svechnikov and Hughes... and all those guys a tier above the rest. He calls it the High-End prospect tier.

Pronman's 2018 NHL draft rankings: Top 74 prospects

 

[schnapshot]

Let's just say Sergachev has the potential to be a first pairing D. One thing is certain, we have no one like him and on the Habs, he would have been slotted as that guy. Asset management is not MB's forte, clearly.

Of course, that we can agree upon. I’d rather have a first-pairing D than a first line winger.

 

[le_sean]

Well this is interesting. Pronman puts Kotkienemi in the same tier as Zadina, Svechnikov and Hughes... and all those guys a tier above the rest. He calls it the High-End prospect tier.

Pronman's 2018 NHL draft rankings: Top 74 prospects

I don’t think he’s wrong if you consider the age gap. I mean 3rd leading scorer on his team in a men’s league, all at 17 years old. It’s quite impressive. His skating stride is awkward, he should be able to adjust it.

 

[Runner77]

Well this is interesting. Pronman puts Kotkienemi in the same paywall as everyone else.
Pronman's 2018 NHL draft rankings: Top 74 prospects

Fixed.