Toggle sidebar

2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread (Less then 24 Hours Edition)

  • Work is still on-going to rebuild the site styling and features. Please report any issues you may experience so we can look into it. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
Yeah ask around... Habs players and prospects are never overrated....:help: We are as bad as Leaf fans. But just because someone is being realistic doesn't mean that they are just being pessimistic, and to dismiss the opinions of others as if they have no validity is lazy debating.....
 
Habitantpeasoup said:
What??? Zadina is a stud with huge upside. People here talk about him like he's a run of the mill prospect, he's nhl ready with serious skills. Wake the fk up!!
Click to expand...

My opinion is that Zadina will be inferior to Drouin. We have Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lehkonen and Scherbak as under-25 left-handed wingers. Why would you want to add another one to this team? Zadina is a good player, but other players have more upside and fill a need. Zadina is not really big, not really fast, and not really strong. Is he so exceptionally smart and/or skilled that he will be able to compensate for his weaknesses at the NHL level? I don't see it. Trade down between 4-8, get an additional asset and pick somebody better.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Grate n Colorful Oz
KawaYui said:
My point still stands.
This is the only place where Zadina is seen as less good than Wahlstrom, Hughes, Dobson, etc.
Click to expand...
No not really. And call it whatever you want, I actually think the people who follow the draft extensively do pretty well for the most part. When you got scouts praising Michael McLeod, many here didn't follow that praise and wanted Clayton Keller who wasn't ranked in the top 10.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Grate n Colorful Oz, ProspectsSTC and WeThreeKings
People here are acting like some of us are crazy for not being on board with the consensus at #3.

Dylan Strome was widely accepted as the #3 pick in 2015. Sam Bennett and Michael Dal Colle were unanimous top 5 pick in 2014. Do you think Columbus regrets passing on the "obvious" pick at #3 in Puljujarvi?

Theres quite a few of us here that try and watch a lot of these guys play and form an opinion on the players and not just go with what the scouts think.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Grate n Colorful Oz, thefeebster, ProspectsSTC and 2 others
The Great Schlemko said:
No not really. And call it whatever you want, I actually think the people who follow the draft extensively do pretty well for the most part. When you got scouts praising Michael McLeod, many here didn't follow that praise and wanted Clayton Keller who wasn't ranked in the top 10.
Click to expand...

What
Keller was ranked top 10 in pretty much every lists.
I dont think McLeod was ranked in the top 10 by anyone
 
KawaYui said:
What
Keller was ranked top 10 in pretty much every lists.
I dont think McLeod was ranked in the top 10 by anyone
Click to expand...
Not in enough lists. McLeod was ranked top 10 in quite a few from what I recall. Regardless, Puljujarvi was considered the unanimous choice at 3 that year, and look what happened.
 
G0bias said:
He doesn't have the same potential as Svechnikov.
Click to expand...

Maybe he does maybe he doesn't but from everything I've read about him what's not to like.

Scouts say

Best stickhandler in draft
Can score from anywhere
Is relentless on the puck and a tireless worker

Has exceptional vision and hockey sense that's makes every team mate a threat to score

Has the Size and strength to create space and then delivers electric moves and finishing ability.

Dual threat player that's just as depth a playmaking as goal scoring and makes everyone around him better (drives the play)

Sounds good to me and a player we could surely use
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ethan Wiles and c_robio
KawaYui said:
What
Keller was ranked top 10 in pretty much every lists.
I dont think McLeod was ranked in the top 10 by anyone
Click to expand...
If I remember correctly, Keller was ranked at the tail end of the top 10 or just out of it while McLeod was ranked between 10-15 on most lists. Except by Grant.

But his point was that Keller was mostly loved on this board while McLeod wasn't and that is an instant that this board was right for being against consensus.
 
KawaYui said:
My point still stands.
This is the only place where Zadina is seen as less good than Wahlstrom, Hughes, Dobson, etc.
Click to expand...
I don't think Zadina is worse, I think he's in the third teir with Whalstrom, Hughes, Boqvist, Kotkaniemi. They are all about equal to me so it's personal preference. I like Kotkaniemi and Hughes better personally for example, but that doesn't mean I think Zadina is bad or lesser than them. Other people think that Zadina is in the second teir with Svechnikov and thus believe that he is the concensus third and think that Carolina may even pick Zadina over Svechnikov. But I don't see them as being in the same teir. Now Zadina is getting crapped on a bit by some here, unfairly imo but no more of a hot take to me than ranking him with Svechnikov. I certainly think Svechnikov is closer to Dahlin than Zadina.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ProspectsSTC
Naslund said:
Probably worst thing to happen to us was winning the 3rd pick in the lottery. Zadina is exactly what we don't need, and he is at best equivalent to prospect like Hughes and Wahlstrom, which are prospects with more upside that also fits a need for us. A smart GM would trade down, but Bergevin is a dumb (always been) and scared (since realizing his incompetence) GM, so he will go with the flow and select Zadina, and go on TV after picking him and say that Zadina was a consensus stud at the 3rd spot. Barring a Tavares miracle, we are going to suck for a decade, because our organization is too dumb to trade the big assets and do a real proper rebuild, which need to be done now that MB has killed our window. We are re-entering the Houle era, and I am not convinced that a Gainey-type GM will be there at some point to take us out of the dark ages.
Click to expand...
you are funny with your " dark " predictions
 
Janne Niinimaa said:
I'm on board with Zadina not being a true franchise winger. If he ends up being a 30-30 winger or even a 40-30 winger then that production is still Pacioretty level. A very good 1st line winger. But not franchise. His game is completely different from Pacioretty but Zadina isn't exactly the most dynamic offensive threat either. He's a solid bet to be an impact forward but Wahlstrom, Boqvist, Kotkaniemi, Hughes all have higher potential IMO.
Click to expand...

Pacioretty scored more goals than anyone but Ovechkin at EW for a span of like four seasons, its ridiculous to not call him a franchise player. Regardless, this is semantics and not a debate i want to start.

If you think the same of Dobson, Wahlstrom, Tkachuk then im fine with it, but i think people are getting lost in their descriptions here.
 
Mrb1p said:
Pacioretty scored more goals than anyone but Ovechkin at EW for a span of like four seasons, its ridiculous to not call him a franchise player. Regardless, this is semantics and not a debate i want to start.

If you think the same of Dobson, Wahlstrom, Tkachuk then im fine with it, but i think people are getting lost in their descriptions here.
Click to expand...
I really wouldn't call Pacioretty a franchise player but you're right thats a debate or another time.

I think Wahlstrom has more tools than Tkachuk or Zadina and has a higher ceiling. If he reaches it I think he can be a franchise winger.

Tkachuk and Zadina are safer bets to be 1st line wingers but a lower ceiling which IMO is not a franchise winger.
 
Janne Niinimaa said:
I really wouldn't call Pacioretty a franchise player but you're right thats a debate or another time.

I think Wahlstrom has more tools than Tkachuk or Zadina and has a higher ceiling. If he reaches it I think he can be a franchise winger.

Tkachuk and Zadina are safer bets to be 1st line wingers but a lower ceiling which IMO is not a franchise winger.
Click to expand...

Why ? I cant wrap my head around this. You guys are actually overrating Wahlstrom, crazy.

Setting yourself up for disappointment.
 
  • Like
Reactions: David Suzuki and tooji
Mrb1p said:
Why ? I cant wrap my head around this. You guys are actually overrating Wahlstrom, crazy.

Setting yourself up for disappointment.
Click to expand...
I don't think we have seen the most of Wahlstrom since Hughes drove the line this season but he has the skating, hands and shot to truly drive a line. There isn't really a glaring hole in his game that he needs to improve upon to be successful. Zadina doesn't have the skating to beat defenders so I seem him more of a clinical finisher in tight.

Neither Wahlstrom or Zadina have great passing games but Wahlstrom has more in his offensive arsenal.

Don't get me wrong I do think Zadina will be a very good player. But not someone that I see being truly changing for a franchise.
 
admiralcadillac said:
If your opinion cynically tainted because the habs are likely to draft him?
Click to expand...
No, he hasn't been at 3 on my personal list since pre-lotto. I hope he does well. I think he'll do well. I don't think he'll be a Tarasenko-level player because he doesn't contribute in that many facets of the game and isn't as involved in the play. I still think he will be a 30-goal guy, but 40-goal forwards are rare nowadays
 
Janne Niinimaa said:
People here are acting like some of us are crazy for not being on board with the consensus at #3.

Dylan Strome was widely accepted as the #3 pick in 2015. Sam Bennett and Michael Dal Colle were unanimous top 5 pick in 2014. Do you think Columbus regrets passing on the "obvious" pick at #3 in Puljujarvi?

Theres quite a few of us here that try and watch a lot of these guys play and form an opinion on the players and not just go with what the scouts think.
Click to expand...

First...in 2015, the widely accepted #3 was Noah Hanifin
NHL Central Scouting's 2015 final rankings
https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-s-final-ranking-mcdavid-eichel-and-1.300634
Ryan Kennedy's April 2015 NHL draft rankings | The Hockey News
2015 NHL Draft Final Rankings - HockeyProspect.com | 2018 NHL Draft

Showing you that going off the rails might not be good either.
It's not a perfect science.

Columbus passes on the obvious #3 to pick the 0bvious #5....it's not that far.

Do you think Vancouver feels good about passing on the obvious #4 (Tkachuk) to get a player that most ranking had between 7 and 12 (Juolevi)?
 
There are just as many examples of going against the consensus that were beneficial as there are going the other way. It is very rare for the top 5 picks to be the top 5 players in the long run. Look at the islanders with Strome, Reinhart and Dal Colle. Mostly consensus picks.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom