Prospect Info: 2018 NHL Draft / Pick #9 - Vitali Kravtsov (RW) - Part VI

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I am of course not talking about "absolutes", there are certainly exceptions and reality isn't black and white, but you make fair points.

BUT, you know, isn't the bolded true to a degree? Canada has roughly 10x the amount of youth hockey players as Sweden have but only 4x the amount of NHLers. These numbers are just googled and there could be better ones available. But the point still stands, and the difference isn't small. Its significantly high.

And certainly, when we in Sweden review the rivals, US hockey is seen as the one to keep track of. Why is that? Its said that the US nat program train extremely hard and focused. And then college often follows afterwards and the college program is held in a high regard and seen as a route that gives players necessary time to develop their game.

Also, in addition, many -- and especially the top -- CHL kids have over the last decade really increased the work load summer time in terms of work on the ice and skill development dramatically to not fall behind too much. Because the CHL has certainly fallen behind over the last years. The US program and Swe/Fin programs have certainly gained ground. If any expert here in Sweden are asked about the reason for this, I can guarantee that the answer is "we train more and better". Swedish hockey is an organization that is easier to run, its easier to in detail get junior team coaches in Sweden to adopt practices than its to do the same in Canada and the coach of the CHL teams. And in Sweden the practice time has been dramatically increased, like I said up towards 20 hours per week for developing players. That is an insane amount. I wouldn't say that its an average, maybe the average is 14 hours per week for developing players, but its still extremely much.

Lastly:
*You are right, I am talking about 17-21 y/o's in general, not 22-23 y/o. There are of course no set rules here either, one 16 y/o can be like another 20 y/o in his development, or vice versa. But in general.

*My knowledge of these things are based on following the AHL and the SHL closely over the last three decades. I have no direct intel on how many hours Hartford practice per week under Knoblauch.

But like Hartford has like 8 weeks with 2 games, 12 weeks with 3 games and 4 weeks with 4 games. The SHL has 17 weeks with 2 games and 5 with 3 games. And several weeks with no games. How could they train even remotely the same amount? Three games in a week of which you travel to 1.5 on average, its not like you are going to be able to put in a lot of hard practices.



Its a guess, in referenec to the paragraph above. 7 weeks a day. 3 games in a week. One day is rest/travel/just shake off the legs. 3 days left. Two hours focused on skill development -- and not systems, PP/PK, physical skating etc -- is not a low number. I think its quite high (but its a guess).
I don't disagree with regards to other nations catching up to Canada, but the numbers of players is somewhat misleading as it pertains to the CHL. While some Canadians go the US college route, most stay and play junior. While a lot of US players play NCAA hockey, a lot play Canadian junior.

But also, a lot of European players spend at least a season in North America playing junior. Like just from 2018, you had Svechnikov, Zadina, Boqvist, Sandin, and Alexeyev as foreign-born players drafted out of the CHL. That's just the first round. Hischier, Valimaki, Jokiharju the year before. A decent amount of high-level European prospects come to play at least one season in the CHL (or the USHL), so clearly they see something appealing in how the CHL trains and develops players, right?

So my point there is that it's more than just the raw number of players by nationality. I would bet the proportion of players training pre-draft in the CHL is higher than the proportion of Canadian players; the CHL draws players from everywhere.

(Of course, and to your point, an increasing amount of European/Russian players are choosing to do the USHL-NCAA route, which is eroding the advantage the CHL has held for so long.)
 
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I don't disagree with regards to other nations catching up to Canada, but the numbers of players is somewhat misleading as it pertains to the CHL. While some Canadians go the US college route, most stay and play junior. While a lot of US players play NCAA hockey, a lot play Canadian junior.

But also, a lot of European players spend at least a season in North America playing junior. Like just from 2018, you had Svechnikov, Zadina, Boqvist, Sandin, and Alexeyev as foreign-born players drafted out of the CHL. That's just the first round. Hischier, Valimaki, Jokiharju the year before. A decent amount of high-level European prospects come to play at least one season in the CHL (or the USHL), so clearly they see something appealing in how the CHL trains and develops players, right?

So my point there is that it's more than just the raw number of players by nationality. I would bet the proportion of players training pre-draft in the CHL is higher than the proportion of Canadian players; the CHL draws players from everywhere.

(Of course, and to your point, an increasing amount of European/Russian players are choosing to do the USHL-NCAA route, which is eroding the advantage the CHL has held for so long.)

Good points and they must certainly be taken into consideration.

The point I am trying to make is just, all of a sudden the AHL was portrayed as a league you must go through for a long time to develop as a player. A player that didn’t go to the AHL was seen as someone who didn’t want to develop.

I don’t recognize that at all, and in addition, I think there are very few reasons to expect this to be the case. Lack of practice time is maybe the biggest reason. And I can guarantee that this is not the advice a European player is getting from ‘friends and family’. Over here ppl would probably give the AHL a 2/10 in terms of skill development and 9/10 in terms of developing consistency and mental toughness.

Some aspects not mentioned:
*I meant to say it earlier. This is the Kravy thread. Above I am talking about the SHL/Liiga vs the AHL. I know less of how often the KHL teams play, how bad their travelling is (how they travel), we all know the map, and so forth.

*I think even if someone don’t agree with the above, I think it’s valuable to be aware of how these things are viewed on this side of the pond — just because that is were these kids are coming from. Someone going to the AHL at 19-20 can definitely be seen as someone trying to take a short cut. Not be willing to put in the work.
 
Baby steps in the right direction for Traktor. They won their first game under Yurzinov jr. 4:0 over Torpedo.

Kravtsov had 6 sog (out of team’s total 43) including one one one breakaway in the first that he didn’t realize. He’s got new partners on the second line in vets AHL middle-6’s Popov and Kruchinin. Hopefully the team starting to assimilate into new hockey system and there will be some stability for Kravtsov to start showing improvements.
 
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I feel that VK's decision probably had more to do with money than anything else. Why should he slog around on a bus for pennies on the dollar when he can live a pretty nice life, making a decent salary, in the KHL.
 
I feel that VK's decision probably had more to do with money than anything else. Why should he slog around on a bus for pennies on the dollar when he can live a pretty nice life, making a decent salary, in the KHL.

Then it’s shortsighted because it doesn’t take into account implications for his next contract, and maybe the other after that. And if this is a case it’s back to immaturity and / or bad advice.
 
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He probably should have stayed in North America yes

At this point it is what it is. Hopefully he doesn't regress while in Russia and when he's back in Hartford in February he can end the year strong
 
He has a slow start to the season, on a team where he did not participate in training camp or pre-season. While I expected him to produce more than this, it's not the end of the world.

Remember William Nylander last year? 3 points in his first 19 games. Players need to adjust to players, strategy etc. All this while the rest of the team is already there. It takes a few weeks to get there. Nylander finished the season with 24 in 35 games once he "caught up" with the rest of the team.
 
He has a slow start to the season, on a team where he did not participate in training camp or pre-season. While I expected him to produce more than this, it's not the end of the world.

Remember William Nylander last year? 3 points in his first 19 games. Players need to adjust to players, strategy etc. All this while the rest of the team is already there. It takes a few weeks to get there. Nylander finished the season with 24 in 35 games once he "caught up" with the rest of the team.

Couldn't agree more. Like Karl Henriksson is a bust since he only had 1 pts in his first 6-7 games for Södertälje. But this happens all the time. We traded for someone that like was a consistent top 3-5 scorer in the NHL several seasons in a row in MSL and he was like 1+2 in his first 15 games in NY.

There are so many things that affects scoring, and when you get up to leagues like Allsvenskan, the SHL, the Liiga, the KHL, the AHL there are never every any guarantees.

To score pts consistently in hockey at those levels you need to have a team that (is able to) play to your strengths and lets you operate in a role that boosts your scoring.
 
PP goal for Kravtsov today

He beat the buzzer! :)
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So how early does the khl season end?

I know Kravtsov can come up anytime but they’ve likely let the season in Russia end
 
So how early does the khl season end?

I know Kravtsov can come up anytime but they’ve likely let the season in Russia end
That’s if he even decides to come back this year. What if the Rangers tell him he’s not guaranteed a spot and might have to report to Hartford again? Is this shit gonna continue next season too? Either give me an NHL roster position or I’m not coming?
 
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That’s if he even decides to come back this year. What if the Rangers tell him he’s not guaranteed a spot and might have to report to Hartford again? Is this **** gonna continue next season too? Either give me an NHL roster position or I’m not coming?

YEA I think it’s going to be like that

Trading Kreider opens up a spot
 
That’s if he even decides to come back this year. What if the Rangers tell him he’s not guaranteed a spot and might have to report to Hartford again? Is this **** gonna continue next season too? Either give me an NHL roster position or I’m not coming?

That seems very unlikely. Don’t think we have any reasons to expect that.
 
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