GDT: 2018 Free Agency: Jay Beagle 4 x 3M, Antoine Roussel 4 x 3.25M, both w/ limited NTCs

[PuckMunchkin]

Oh god damn Gillis, look what you made us do!

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Worse than before the most recent July 1?

What's worse?

 

[CanaFan]

Yeah, this was hypothetical. He wasn’t signing with Vancouver for the same rate and term as St. Louis.

Well you don’t know so you probably should refrain from making up fantasy scenarios. It’s a tad disengenuous to assume he’d demand 133% longer contract to sign here.

 

[y2kcanucks]

jesus christ though what a ****show

would've rather just given this money to the sedins to come back for one another year

atrocious use of cap space, a staple of this regime

This is why it was so important that Benning was fired this past season. But all the Benning Bro’s jumped up and down and celebrated when he was extended. I hope they enjoy their two fourth line prized signings.

And he gave them NTC’s

 

[Hit the post]

Kyle Brodziak signed in Edmonton for 2 YEARS at 1.15 million.

Performs the role of 33 yer old Beagle without an NTC for 4 years at 3 mil

Brodziak wouldn't sign here for that rate & term. Am I doing this right? All hail the overlord Benning.

 

[CanaFan]

What's worse?

July 2.

 

[RandV]

The leftovers:

Goldobin - can’t go to Utica
Virtanen - can’t really go to Utica
Motte - can go to Utica
Gaunce - can’t go to Utica

Also assumes Gaudette and Dahlen head down to Utica for the upcoming season.

Am I forgetting anyone? Seems like we need to trade at least 2 players or else block Goldobin and Virtanen for the upcoming year. Most likely candidates seem to be Granlund and probably Goldobin to be shipped out.

What's frustrating is that from a fan perspective we tend to adopt the stance of let's see them play/compete against each other and see what they can do, while the Benning management so often seems to pre-emptively call it that a specific player won't be able to cut it in the NHL and never gives them a chance. Which becomes extremely disconcerting when you consider just how bad the teams pro scouting is.

 

[Cupless44]

What's worse?

Ummmm ...more mediocre overpaid veterans with immovable contracts is worse than less of them

 

[VanJack]

If this team loses guys like Goldy, Gaunce and Granlund on waivers because they "have to" play guys like like Eriksson, Gagner and Schaller, I'm turning in my Canucks jersey for Simpsons' sweatshirt.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Some wild rumors circulating concerning bizarre behavior in the Canucks war room, possibly someone spiking the coffee in the war room with lsd. Speculation at this point.

 

[Cupless44]

If this team loses guys like Goldy, Gaunce and Granlund on waivers because they "have to" play guys like like Eriksson, Gagner and Schaller, I'm turning in my Canucks jersey for Simpsons' sweatshirt.

Very possibly shaping up that way.

 

[Cupless44]

Pretty embarrassing management when you look at what Edmonton signed Reider and Brodziak for.

 

[me2]

My theory:

I’m thinking Benning panicked after hearing about what Reaves got and knowing that many teams were interested in Beagle/Roussel.

I’m guessing he was expecting that the entire market would be inflated so he caved into Beagle and Roussel’s demands since they were his main targets and he figured he’d have to overpay to get someone so he decided to overpay his Plan A options.

But after seeing some of the other deals signed later today(Grabner, Bozak, Perron, Rieder, etc), it’s clear that he jumped the gun, especially considering the NTC’s fit both and SB for Beagle


Orrrr...

He knew the market and ballpark figures of the other players but just simply overvalued these guys.

There are usually a few guys who over play the hands trying to milk more money and term and end up getting desperate when the music ends. Just wait a few weeks/month and you'll see some guys looking for whatever contract they can get and prepared to take cheap/short deals.

 

[Nucker101]

wait a few weeks and you'll see some guys looking for whatever contract they can get and prepared to take cheap/short deals.

Yup. This is what I was hoping they’d do along with a MTL-WPG type deal.

 

[orcatown]

Saw a lot of Schaller when he was in the AHL playing for the Buffalo farm team in Rochester. Was a pain to play against and provided a hard fore-check. Didn't show much offensive potential but always around the play.

See him as a good AHL player but bottom end NHLer. Had a good season last year in Boston so may have improved. Will, at any rate , be very helpful to the Comets if he doesn't pan out here.

Will, like Roussel, likely make a player like Gaunce redundant and likely on waivers. Other bottom enders like Dowd already gone.

At the end of the day having a bottom end with Beagle, Roussel, Shaller and possibly Archibald at least gives the team some sand paper but the Canucks obviously paid too much and gave up too much term to get this. Nor do I think the team is really much better than last year and especially considering they did nothing to replace the Sedins offensive production.

Team is clearly still not willing to come to terms with the fundamental rebuild necessary.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

This is honestly the worst day as a Canucks fan in the last 5 years. Crazy.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Ummmm ...more mediocre overpaid veterans with immovable contracts is worse than less of them

We don't have more, we have the same.

Sedins out, Rousel and Beagle in.

 

[Serac]

Gillis: Hands out NTCs to lower cap hits to better fit players on contending teams.

Benning: Hands out NTCs to players making too much money with too much term to further reinforce being a bottom feeder in the league.


I can see why a certain poster still complains about Gillis to this day. Really makes jimbo look even worse with these signings.

 

[Nucker101]

This is honestly the worst day as a Canucks fan in the last 5 years. Crazy.

Losing lotteries have been worse. Also the TDL’s where they didn’t acquire picks.

 

[CanaFan]

We don't have more, we have the same.

Sedins out, Rousel and Beagle in.

Except the Sedins were “Gillis’ fault” and something we had to suffer due to their standing in the franchise. 2 HHOfer’s out, 2 4th line checkers in.

This was purely self-inflicted and could have been avoided.

 

[CanaFan]

Losing lotteries have been worse. Also the TDL’s where they didn’t acquire picks.

Agree. This day bugs me simply because it’s more of the same, not because today is even close to the worst under this regime.

 

[RobsonStreet]

Well you don’t know so you probably should refrain from making up fantasy scenarios. It’s a tad disengenuous to assume he’d demand 133% longer contract to sign here.

I’m not assuming anything. I’m putting today’s events in context by contrasting what did happen - a couple silly but not franchise destroying moves - with something that would be disastrous from a cap perspective. Today isn’t a catastrophe, just more characterstically dumb decision making. (More straw for the camel’s back. Let’s see what happens.)

Thanks for clarifying what I should and shouldn’t post about, though! It’s been awhile since I read the TOS.

 

[me2]

Yeah I agree completely - was just thinking the same thing..........pretty sure he will become a fan favourite.......

He'll be great for taking runs at other teams stars and getting Pettersson run in retaliation.

 

[I in the Eye]

What's frustrating is that from a fan perspective we tend to adopt the stance of let's see them play/compete against each other and see what they can do, while the Benning management so often seems to pre-emptively call it that a specific player won't be able to cut it in the NHL and never gives them a chance. Which becomes extremely disconcerting when you consider just how bad the teams pro scouting is.

The best are the "show me" contracts where the player plays like shit and gets re-upped in money and term anyways.

There is no honest competition for roster spots or line-up combinations. They will and force square pegs into round holes.

Next year, Sutter will be given top 6 offensive minutes just like it's never been tried before.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Will still get me chewed the hell out by the I hate everything crowd. but here's our next few years worth of cap

Vancouver Canucks - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Our next major RFA contracts are laughably Hutton Pouliot Granlund Demko Goldobin and Boeser in 2019/2020 at which point we will have 13 roster spots signed with $34.549 million in cap space (without factoring cap raise). UFA's we lose to met that cap amount are elder Del Zotto and Dorsett. We won't really be throwing a ton of cash at those names outside of maybe Boeser and Demko

For 2020/2021 only Dahlen Brisebois Gaudette while losing Tanev/Gagner/Markstrom and having 7 spots signed with $49.458 million in cap space (without factoring in cap raise)

Then the big one in 2021/2022 where our big RFA crop is Lind, Gadjovich, Juolevi, Petterson, while losing Gudbranson/Baertschi/Sutter to UFA and having a projected $74 million in cap space with only 1 person signed thereafter.

I look at those names, the potential cap space and the signings last and this year and see a pattern that fits exactly where this team is going in terms of available spots, cap space and contract amounts. Many of those names outside of Boeser, Demko, Petterson will not be making north of $3.5 million on their first contracts so essentially we're watching a management group doing little more than buying literal time.

I know I'll get flamed 6 ways from Sunday on this but it's true. This is not factoring in any cap raises or potential trades let alone the Seattle expansion or new potential CBA issues and any potential new compliance buyouts that will result from them.

All in all, I see little to no reason to worry at all. There is a pattern that seems to fit a definitive timeline with Ericsson being the only ? and even that ? is something that fits that timeline nearly perfectly

So again.

Meh

Wow.......a constructive argument that would perhaps indicate shockingly enough that management has a clue what they are up to........NOOOOOOOOO.........WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE???!!!!

This cap stuff you wrote isn't true is it?

But.....what.......huh? Ok even if it is true why on earth are you daring to stray from the fact that Benning completely effed up our future by WAYYYYY overapaying 2 fourth line plugs? It's soo obvious that you and the rest of the Benning boys will go to any lengths to defend him. Bringing up shit like cap space and real numbers only further illustrates this. Like please try to focus on the fact that we are ruined - totally and absolutely crushed here.

For GAWDS SAKES just let me revel in my despair and don't bother bringing up anything that doesn't further add to my misery. Unless you are illustrating anything other than the fact that Benning's an incompetent nincompoop who has doomed our franchise I really don't want to hear from you......

A dark day my friends........even amongst a history of dark days this one stands out as being amongst the darkest............