Hi ImHFNYR
Registered User
I've shown that this is definitely false. You may put more stock into other things which causes you to disagree with my conclusions but that doesn't mean you should just invalidate the plethora of things that I've based it onMaybe. I'm just saying there's nothing to really base it on.
We can all have opinions but I can remember Brett Ratliff and David Clowney being preseason superstars against 3rd stringers who did nothing.
The tiiiiniest pat of my argument discussed Teddy's pre-season performance. If I was basing my argument more on his performance then it'd make more sense for you to say this.
A mid 20s, former pro bowler who is returning from injury is NOT comparable to career backups on sooo many significant levels. Talent, defense reading, experience, leadership. In this specific context, i dont think what you are saying should be the thought process.
I understand that you feel this way. Like I said before, I think having Teddy here and starting the first few games would have had SO much more of a positive impact on the team, franchise and on Darnold now and going forward. Much more of a positive impact then a 3rd round pick. There is a possibility we find some gem, perennial all pro WR in the third but realistically if we look at how 3rd rounders do in general AND if we look at how Mac's 3rd rounders do? Looking at all this is why I feel so strongly that this was the wrong move. Keep in mind, I've freely acknowledged that Teddy might have stayed here, been awful or gotten hurt in a single quarter of action which would mean we'd have kept him for nothing. I just think it was the better move to keep him when weighing those risks against the benefits that I've noted. It's a wise decision if it helps Sam and the team way more than a 3rdI mean I'd have been willing to keep Teddy as the #2 (even if he started) but McCown had no trade value and Bridgewater was a UFA at the end of the season. Jets need assets so keeping all 3 and not trading Bridgewater (or hoping to get slightly better picks by trading later) just isn't a wise decision IMO. It's one of the few things I thought the Jets did well (other than cutting my ticket prices)
I'm not really sure what you're saying here. I can't think of many teams that have a good season after their #1 QB gets injured let alone their #2, Eagles and 2001 Pats excepted of course. Regarding Mayfield, Taylor was so bad that game he was going to be replaced anyway and the injury was just convenient in terms of timing. If Taylor is injured they can can call on Drew Stanton, their #3 QB with a $2.5 million cap hit. The Jets can simply activate Davis Webb from their practice squad for the minimum
My point is that, as far as this specific jets team goes, it's irrelevant to consider what most teams do after their starter is hurt. This does not matter for this jets team for the reasons that i gave in my last post.
Edit: Reason 1. Either way darnold starts. If you are worried that the jets season would be derailed by an injury to teddy then that means you are also worried bc sam would be starting.
But since sam is starting after teddy is traded it means that worrying about injuries is not relevant in this specific context.
Reason 2: Sometimes watching how a vet prepares is huge for young players. Examples: An extra few weeks to read defenses withput being under the gun is huge for young players. Seeing a great leader and how they command the huddle is huge for a young person. When that young person DOES get in, those extra weeks or that full season of sitting can be a huge boost. We may have seen that with mayfield. That's why i brought it up. You ignored the possibility that sitting can be more beneficial than starting immediately. That's the other reason i mentioned it.
Your point about taylor getting pulled anyway doesnt really address what i was saying but you did say you weren't understanding everything i wrote.
Also, here's a reason i didnt give. Injury replacement backups can galvanize a team. Foles last year.
Another. Matt cassel on the patriots.
Chad Pennington 2002, etc.
These are few and far between and i think it's a weak point so I preferred the other points i gave before. Still worth a mention here.
What you said about webb does not matter in this specific situation. If i was having a discussion about simply having a warm body then it'd make sense to bring up webb in this context. I'm talking about teddy having vastly more value than a warm body
I already addressed this in an immense amount of detail.Teams have 22 positions, special teams and situational positions (nickel and dime packages, 3 TE sets, etc.) and you can't have backups for everyone. A 3rd QB who virtually never plays is a luxury. Injuries are far more likely to happen to those other players.
See my 2-3 paragraphs on Neville whatsisname
To spark notes it: the value he would have brought, had he stayed, imo FAR exceeds the value of 1 single 4th stringer. There is a risk in not keeping your 4th string lb or your 5th or 6th wr. You are ignoring that there is also risk in putting a rookie into a starting job too early. I feel it is justified taking the risk to keep teddy over a 4th stringer.
I think most GMs can figure out which 4th stringer to cut instead of trading a starting caliber QB.
Just wanted to say that if darnold was a vet and a solid, proven starter then it makes more sense to get value for Bridgewater and keep your 4th stringers. That is NOT the jets situation this year
Last edited: