OT: 2018 Football Thread II: Everyone sucks!!!!!!

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Hope this doesnt sound rude but the whole premise of your counterpoint is wrong tho.

Teams carry 3 qbs all the time. Its fairly standard. Also your point is they should trade teddy and play darnold otherwise they'd have been stuck playing either teddy or darnold. Lol wut.

Not sure what you're talking about w the better draft pick comment.

Playing darnold and trading teddy gets u the better pick bc you're going to suck more.
The 3rd QB is on the practice squad usually and none of Jet QBs were eligible for the practice squad so they were going to dress 2 and put the 3rd on the practice squad. Ergo they had to trade/cut one of them. Edit: Some teams keep 3 on the roster (like the Giants) it but if you lose your starting QB odds are you're season is shot anyway so may as well use the extra roster spot for someone who can help the team. It doesn't make any sense to keep 3 QBs IMO.

Don't see how the Jets suck more with Bridgewater.
 
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The 3rd QB is on the practice squad.
Not always and who said he HAS to be?Again you're making strange assumptions that dont have to be true or are the opposite of what the reality would be.

You're also ignoring a ton of other way more important factors like destroying the kids confidence, taking away his chance to learn behind a respected leader and vet, destroying the TEAMS confidence (i feel almost 100% they are 3-0 w teddy).

Maybe it's possible this is the best course but if it is then there does not seem to be a shred of evidence to suggest it
 
Not always and who said he HAS to be?Again you're making strange assumptions that dont have to be true or are the opposite of what the reality would be.

You're also ignoring a ton of other way more important factors like destroying the kids confidence, taking away his chance to learn behind a respected leader and vet, destroying the TEAMS confidence (i feel almost 100% they are 3-0 w teddy).

Maybe it's possible this is the best course but if it is then there does not seem to be a shred of evidence to suggest it
Sorry, see my edit. You can believe what you want about the Jets being 3-0 with Teddy, that's just confirmation bias speaking since you have nothing really to base it on other than a few series in preseason against 2nd and 3rd stringers. My opinion is the Jets are 3-0 if Robbie Anderson doesn't fumble the ball in key situations.
 
Sorry, see my edit. You can believe what you want about the Jets being 3-0 with Teddy, that's just confirmation bias speaking since you have nothing really to base it on other than a few series in preseason against 2nd and 3rd stringers. My opinion is the Jets are 3-0 if Robbie Anderson doesn't fumble the ball in key situations.

f*** me I did not intend for this to be a novel, sorry.

I don't think you're being even remotely fair by assuming that it's JUST confirmation bias. I felt this way before the trade, I declared my thoughts immediately after and I am simply continuing to echo those thoughts. Why can't you consider that it could just be me analyzing football, evaluating the skills, accuracy, experience of Teddy, comparing them to what we've seen in Darnold while also looking at the closeness of these last two games, taking alllll of that and forming my own conclusion?

We all know that the outcome of the games would be different (that's pretty inarguable, we could discuss if it'd truly change the WL, of course but the games would never play out the same) so I'm obviously in the camp that the different outcome would include a better WL, a better development path for Darnold and a better path to the future for this team. It's over now, the trade is done but it's normal to express frustration and regret and f*** it what else am I up to? (I included that last bit to pre-empt someone stupidly saying "The trade's over, move on")

Of course there is the possibility that Teddy could've gotten re-injured or that his rust would have led him to be worse than what we've seen from Darnold, I think the rust argument would have zero evidence to support it and tons of evidence to contradict it but I acknowledge it's possible.

Edit: Some teams keep 3 on the roster (like the Giants) it but if you lose your starting QB odds are you're season is shot .
What? You're taking a general example and applying it to the Jets when clearly that example doesn't fit this teams season.

So if they had picked Bridgwater to start and he got hurt the season is shot bc now you're stuck playing an inferior player: Darnold

I don't get why you're saying this specifically because they traded Bridge....so then by your logic their season is shot because they're playing that inferior player by default anyway. Which is my original point. My original point, dont forget, was ALSO about how I think it was best for Darnold to give him more time studying, practicing and seeing how Teddy goes about his business as the starter. Even if that only lasted 3 games before injury I think even that short time would have been tremendously beneficial for Sam compared to the current course.

Also, to your "season gets shot by injury" comment. Another reason why it doesn't make sense here, besides it not applying to this specific Jets situation, is just think about what literally happened with the browns two days ago. The Browns are in a nearly identical situation. You COULD have started Baker from the get go but it might be better to let him sit a bit. Then if there's an injury you haven't lost anything bc he'll get to play either way. It's about soooooo much more then just the WL record.

Edit: may as well use the extra roster spot for someone who can help the team. It doesn't make any sense to keep 3 QBs IMO.
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"Just to continue on why...." i feel you're using generalized situations that ignore all context and don't apply to the Jets again.

What a team needs varies depending on the roster. First, there's the fact that if you look at EVERY teams roster you will see nameless 3rd and 4th stringers who can be cut without even a half of a thought paid to it. You are insinuating a guy like Chad Hansen (on every roster there are multiple Chad Hansen's) is more important, taking up a roster space, then keeping the QBs the Jets had in this very specific situation? If that opinion were a set of bowling pins I'd walk down the lane and whip the ball at them at point blank range out of anger (And probably fling it sideways like Malcolm in the Middle lol) because I personally disagree that vehemently with it. I also think that visual is fun.

The Jets for example can probably get much more mileage out of McCown as mentor and Bridgewater as mentor/vet stopgap then they will EVER get from luminaries like Jeremiah (picture not found) attaochu, Nevell Hewitt (!?), Mike P-Penne...Pennel? (Who?). Shit they have FOUR TE's. So for the Jets specifically, yes it made sense to keep these very specific 3 QBs at the cost of a....Nevell...Hewitt...Maybe Nevell becomes a superstar one day, point still stands, there are interchangable 4th stringers who are lucky to see a down that can be cut. The Jets, this specific year, with those specific guys, could have and should have kept those 3 Qb's over a guy like Neville

Of course, you're free to disagree and if I disagree with your premise I'll still debate it.

Edit: Chad was released, had no idea. I also had no idea Neville was on the team. Point still stands, it's possibly made stronger by this lol
 
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Lol Teddy. The guy hasn't played against starters in two years. Getting a third for him was a fantastic deal.

I'm also glad we didn't trade for Mack. Would've been a surefire way to guarantee we get no talent out of our next two drafts.

If an OT steps up enough to be a top 7-8 pick (where I think we'll be drafting, maybe even top-5) then take him. Otherwise, take the top EDGE, pay him 1/5th of what Mack makes, and spend the money elsewhere.
 
Kotite drafted Kyle Brady instead of Warren Sapp. If that's what it means to be offensive minded I'll take defensive minded coaches all day.

Keeping Teddy meant cutting McCown and starting Darnold or Teddy who hadn't played football in 2 years. All for the slim chance of getting a slightly better draft pick, with a significant probability of getting nothing. No thanks.

What terrible logic.

Rex took Dee Milliner over DeAndre Hopkins. If that's what it means to be defensive minded, I'll take offensive minded coaches all day.

See how easy that is?

Kotite was a terrible coach. That shouldn't mean we refuse to draft an offensive-minded head coach in an increasingly offense-focused league in over two f***ing decades.
 
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This game is giving me such deja vu to everything that was wrong with the Rangers under AV.

As a Jets/Mets/Rangers fan, I feel like the biggest loser in all of sports. Washington got a championship before me. Cleveland got a championship before me. The Eagles got a championship before me. The Cubs got a championship before me.

I'm the last man standing.

I know that feel. Not a baseball fan but Jets / Rangers is a miserable existence
 
Hell of a game by Eli today. I'm going to give him all of the credit, too. The line had much better runblocking, but gave him much of the same protection they gave him earlier. But he just flat out read the defense better than he has at any point this season (and much of last season). He actually stepped up in the pocket and threw some legit darts.

This may have been his best game in three years.
 
Sam Rosen is doing the Saints-Falcons game.

Atlanta goes for 2 after Ryan threw a TD pass. 2 point attempt is good. Ryan pass to Cooper.

Sam Rosen is yelling "touchdown" on the 2 point conversion. Cris Carter is his partner. Carter is like no Sam.

Last pre-season,Sam couldn't figure out why both teams had just 3 skaters on the ice for the start of overtime.

Sam.
 
Giants offense was an actual thing. A good thing too. Thank god. Win aside it was also enjoyable to watch.

What the heck for the Texans, man (Jon Gruden voice)
 
Lol Teddy. The guy hasn't played against starters in two years. Getting a third for him was a fantastic deal.

What exactly is that lol supposed to mean? Seems like you're laughing specifically at me pretty intentionally. Idk you're laughing off any opinion that doesn't agree with you, mine doesn't and I literally just posted it. At the very least you're accidentally laughing at the opinion I just expressed. I get it if I f***ed up and accidentally contradicted myself or said something weird but I don't think I did. I demand an apology or a chance to demonstrate why your post and your logic fail spectacularly (but I'll do it in a friendly enough way I swear!). Since I'm here I'm going with option B. (Who really wants apologies anyway?)

The idea I'm putting forward is that you can take this very specific starting QB, a potential pro bowler, a mentor and a leader. You take him and you'd have a guy who could help the team MORE than a third. That's not even taking into consideration that this would be a third round pick that the GM has thus far shown himself incapable of using correctly. You think it's great in general to take a guy that hasn't played in 2 years and get a 3rd for him? I would not laugh at you bc generally speaking that DOES sound good. But this is not general, this is a specific situation and I enjoy thinking critically about it.

I'm also glad we didn't trade for Mack. Would've been a surefire way to guarantee we get no talent out of our next two drafts.
I'm baffled by this logic. The thought is that you are getting guaranteed defensive player of the year, 10+ sack talent. No duh, of course you have to sacrifice SOMETHING for that. Maybe you don't want to sacrifice "talent" in the next two drafts. I would have no problem with you having that idea. I disagree with it but it's understandable to have that stance.

I disagree for many reasons. For one draft busts happen. Secondly, you can end up with two guys who are average starters that never make the pro bowl. You can also end up with two players who are pro bowl level or close to it. Point is that none of these options is guaranteed over the other and there is a very decent chance of getting two players who fall FAR short of doing what Mack could have. I understand someone wanting to keep the picks. But your reasoning for doing so does not make much sense.

What's funny is that you're happy getting that third for Teddy right? You said it in your first paragraph. But in the next paragraph you pretty much imply its useless bc you say that not having the first means we "Guarantee we get no talent". Wow. That is far from a ringing endorsement for that third that you just called a "fantastic deal".

So your post was so poor that your second point dismantled your first one.

If an OT steps up enough to be a top 7-8 pick (where I think we'll be drafting, maybe even top-5) then take him. Otherwise, take the top EDGE, pay him 1/5th of what Mack makes, and spend the money elsewhere.

Sounds great. Hopefully they end up becoming two near pro bowl level players so that they can approach the value that Mack would have brought. Hopefully they are not Dante Fowler + Ereck Flowers.

What terrible logic.

Rex took Dee Milliner over DeAndre Hopkins. If that's what it means to be defensive minded, I'll take offensive minded coaches all day.

See how easy that is?

Kotite was a terrible coach. That shouldn't mean we refuse to draft an offensive-minded head coach in an increasingly offense-focused league in over two ****ing decades.

I think the logic was bad too but maybe you should consider disagreeing while acting like someone who isn't a...well you know...especially if you're going to present the intellectual gems that you have
 
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Eli had a helluva a game, and I don't want to nitpick a win, but when have the Giants ever come out and had a strong 3rd Quarter?

I feel like for years they've had really strong first halfs, awful 3rd quarters, and then coming down to the wire in the 4th. Just once I'd like to see the Giants just step on a teams neck while they're down. I need less grey hairs, not more.
 
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I don't think you're being even remotely fair by assuming that it's JUST confirmation bias. I felt this way before the trade, I declared my thoughts immediately after and I am simply continuing to echo those thoughts. Why can't you consider that it could just be me analyzing football, evaluating the skills, accuracy, experience of Teddy, comparing them to what we've seen in Darnold while also looking at the closeness of these last two games, taking alllll of that and forming my own conclusion?
Maybe. I'm just saying there's nothing to really base it on. We can all have opinions but I can remember Brett Ratliff and David Clowney being preseason superstars against 3rd stringers who did nothing. I mean I'd have been willing to keep Teddy as the #2 (even if he started) but McCown had no trade value and Bridgewater was a UFA at the end of the season. Jets need assets so keeping all 3 and not trading Bridgewater (or hoping to get slightly better picks by trading later) just isn't a wise decision IMO. It's one of the few things I thought the Jets did well (other than cutting my ticket prices :))

What? You're taking a general example and applying it to the Jets when clearly that example doesn't fit this teams season.

So if they had picked Bridgwater to start and he got hurt the season is shot bc now you're stuck playing an inferior player: Darnold

I don't get why you're saying this specifically because they traded Bridge....so then by your logic their season is shot because they're playing that inferior player by default anyway. Which is my original point. My original point, dont forget, was ALSO about how I think it was best for Darnold to give him more time studying, practicing and seeing how Teddy goes about his business as the starter. Even if that only lasted 3 games before injury I think even that short time would have been tremendously beneficial for Sam compared to the current course.

Also, to your "season gets shot by injury" comment. Another reason why it doesn't make sense here, besides it not applying to this specific Jets situation, is just think about what literally happened with the browns two days ago. The Browns are in a nearly identical situation. You COULD have started Baker from the get go but it might be better to let him sit a bit. Then if there's an injury you haven't lost anything bc he'll get to play either way. It's about soooooo much more then just the WL record.
I'm not really sure what you're saying here. I can't think of many teams that have a good season after their #1 QB gets injured let alone their #2, Eagles and 2001 Pats excepted of course. Regarding Mayfield, Taylor was so bad that game he was going to be replaced anyway and the injury was just convenient in terms of timing. If Taylor is injured they can can call on Drew Stanton, their #3 QB with a $2.5 million cap hit. The Jets can simply activate Davis Webb from their practice squad for the minimum.

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"Just to continue on why...." i feel you're using generalized situations that ignore all context and don't apply to the Jets again.

What a team needs varies depending on the roster. First, there's the fact that if you look at EVERY teams roster you will see nameless 3rd and 4th stringers who can be cut without even a half of a thought paid to it. You are insinuating a guy like Chad Hansen (on every roster there are multiple Chad Hansen's) is more important, taking up a roster space, then keeping the QBs the Jets had in this very specific situation? If that opinion were a set of bowling pins I'd walk down the lane and whip the ball at them at point blank range out of anger (And probably fling it sideways like Malcolm in the Middle lol) because I personally disagree that vehemently with it. I also think that visual is fun.

The Jets for example can probably get much more mileage out of McCown as mentor and Bridgewater as mentor/vet stopgap then they will EVER get from luminaries like Jeremiah (picture not found) attaochu, Nevell Hewitt (!?), Mike P-Penne...Pennel? (Who?). **** they have FOUR TE's. So for the Jets specifically, yes it made sense to keep these very specific 3 QBs at the cost of a....Nevell...Hewitt...Maybe Nevell becomes a superstar one day, point still stands, there are interchangable 4th stringers who are lucky to see a down that can be cut. The Jets, this specific year, with those specific guys, could have and should have kept those 3 Qb's over a guy like Neville

Of course, you're free to disagree and if I disagree with your premise I'll still debate it.

Edit: Chad was released, had no idea. I also had no idea Neville was on the team. Point still stands, it's possibly made stronger by this lol

Teams have 22 positions, special teams and situational positions (nickel and dime packages, 3 TE sets, etc.) and you can't have backups for everyone. A 3rd QB who virtually never plays is a luxury. Injuries are far more likely to happen to those other players.

What terrible logic.

Rex took Dee Milliner over DeAndre Hopkins. If that's what it means to be defensive minded, I'll take offensive minded coaches all day.

See how easy that is?

Kotite was a terrible coach. That shouldn't mean we refuse to draft an offensive-minded head coach in an increasingly offense-focused league in over two ****ing decades.
Maybe look what I responded to - the notion that Kotite was an offensive minded coach is offensive!
 
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