Rumor: 2018-19 Kings News/Rumors/Tidbits

[KopitarFAN]

Not playing for Sutter may have a thing to do with it too.

You might be joking, but it wouldn't shock me if that turned out to be the case.

 

[johnjm22]

I'd say it is a multitude of issues that hampered the Kings, from players falling off a cliff and not being able to perform at a high level anymore (Richards, Stoll, Greene, King), players moving on (Williams, Mitchell, Regehr), the Voynov situation, Gaborik seemingly always hurt, and their rentals walking away. Add all of that up and you have a steep drop in team depth, and that happened at all positions.

As damacles already mentioned, just look at the ice time distribution and heavy reliance on the top guys and barely even playing the bottom six/bottom pairing players.

It was evident by their on ice performance the Kings weren't very good at moving the puck nor were they very good at possession the puck, getting out of their zone, generating offense, or keeping up with the pace of play during their last two playoff appearances. This team is not as physical as it once was, and adding more physical players without addressing the need for more offense and more skill would be quite the miscalculated move.

I don't think revisiting players like Dwight King or Jordan Nolan would put this team back on the right path.

I've been complaining about the ice time distribution since before it was cool. That's why I've been saying we need a center so we can roll the lines more evenly.

I think we're in agreement for the most part. I'm just saying this stuff I keep hearing about "the game has changed, it's about speed ect." probably isn't true, but the Kings seem to be buying into it in their drafting philosophy. How many effective lines can you roll? That's what matters not speed.

In 2012, every player the Blues drafted was either 6'2" 6'3" or 6'6". Eight different players. They were doing it in response to us. Now instead of having teams react to us, we react to them. Being reactive usually means your behind the curve.

King and Nolan were actually good in 2012. The 2012 team would still be good today.

 

[kingsfan28]

I don’t know how true all of this news is if is. But, I appreciate Blake exploring all options. He understands this team needs to be better and he’s going to try his hardest to make sure it is.

I don’t want to say it’s not a knock against Dean, because it’s amazing he got us two cups.. though it’s one thing to win, but it’s another thing to keep winnng that I’m sure is the most challenging.

He said it himself, winning is the easy part, staying on top is the hard part. He talked to every winning GM and president to find an answer he eventually couldn't figure out.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I mean, they're already in LA, plus the Brisson connection. It would be stupid to not at least pick up the phone to say you did.

One of the best players in the game is considering you? You better damn well meet with him. Can the Kings afford him? Most likely not but you have to at least consider it if he's considering you. Who knows, maybe he'll sign a 4 year deal at $8 million (highly unlikely but who knows). You don't know unless you try.

 

[kingsfan28]

You might be joking, but it wouldn't shock me if that turned out to be the case.

Player talk and you know guys asked what it was like playing for him and it gets passed around.

 

[Sol]

Oh God.... You’re right.. Blake don’t jinx this!

It has to be done. Panarin e5

 

[kingsfan28]

One of the best players in the game is considering you? You better damn well meet with him. Can the Kings afford him? Most likely not but you have to at least consider it if he's considering you. Who knows, maybe he'll sign a 4 year deal at $8 million (highly unlikely but who knows). You don't know unless you try.

I thought about this too. Lets say you meet with him and he wants 10 x 7. You make your pitch with the winning cred and all the bells and whistles, then counter with that offer. He gets to still play where he wants and has an out at 31 with one more chance at a payday that will end up making him more over the rest of his career.

 

[deaderhead28]

My thinking with this is we really don’t need Toffoli or Pearson...
disagree all you want but Vilardi is starting on Carter’s RW so TT would be moved down. Pearson at $3.5 is too expensive for a 3rd liner...
Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Brown
Panarin-Carter-Vilardi
Iafallo-Kempe-Amadio

I really like the potential of that 3rd line

Pearson isn't going anywhere cause who besides Brown can get dirty goals in front of the net?Kings need top 6 fwds not just give them away.Toffoli Muzzin Anderson Dolan and Martinez and picks should be able to get a Skinner or a Panarin.Still don't know how they pay for JT if Skinner or Panarin joins team lol

 

[kings11]

Pearson isn't going anywhere cause who besides Brown can get dirty goals in front of the net?Kings need top 6 fwd not just give them away.Toffoli Muzzin Anderson Dolan and Martinez and picks should be able to get a Skinner or a Panarin.Still don't know how they pay for JT if Skinner or Panarin joins team lol

JT is not happening and I’m the super optimistic type... Panarin, well he’s 26 and ripe for the picking !!! I’d try a 3-way deal

 

[BigKing]

FYI, that's the son of Kings legend, Doug Zmolek.

f*** yes!

 

[Reclamation Project]

JT is not happening and I’m the super optimistic type... Panarin, well he’s 26 and ripe for the picking !!! I’d try a 3-way deal

I think we all deserve a 3 way deal.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I thought about this too. Lets say you meet with him and he wants 10 x 7. You make your pitch with the winning cred and all the bells and whistles, then counter with that offer. He gets to still play where he wants and has an out at 31 with one more chance at a payday that will end up making him more over the rest of his career.

Players are smart. They know how much cap space a team has and who would likely have to be traded in order to fit them. He can't just come to them and say 7 years, $12 million a season or we won't even talk. He knows he'd have to be flexible if he wanted to sign with the Kings. Does he want to? I wouldn't bet on it but only he knows. But if he does want to, the Kings better entertain him and see what they can do to fit him. Problem with CA is it's one of the most heavily taxed states so the Kings couldn't offer him a lower AAV and say it would be the same as if he signed somewhere else like Tampa Bay does.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Tavares and his agent will be doing a full audit of any team they meet with. No stone will be unturned.

A signed Les Paul and a video featuring Kobe isn't what he's looking for.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Not playing for Sutter may have a thing to do with it too.

I know you’re being sarcastic but I think signing Kovalchuk has turned some heads around the league. Makes LA more attractive because we have plenty of players that can handle the load. Doughty, Quick, Kopitar, and Carter. Add Kovalchuk to that and it’s an attractive place to play because of less pressure to be the guy.

I think and I’ve been tough on these two but I think we have to admit that Luc and Blake must be selling the organization very well to attract top tier talent.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Eh, I think it’s okay to be honest with ourselves here: we offered Kovalchuk three years when Boston and SJ only offered two. That’s why he signed with us.

 

[Haik]

Eh, I think it’s okay to be honest with ourselves here: we offered Kovalchuk three years when Boston and SJ only offered two. That’s why he signed with us.

Sure. We were the only ones that offered Mitchell the extra year also. That turned out well for us.

 

[Kingsfan1]

Friedman:

-Panarin has let it be known that his preferred destinations are LA, NY and Florida.

-Kings still considering pitching to Tavares even after signing IK.

-Even though LA added IK, they were still interested in Paciorietty and the deal would had gone through if not for Pacioreitty's unhappiness with the extension. MP likely wanted to go to LA but LA probably can't afford the extension he wants.

So we can afford Tavares but not Pacioretty ? Lol Freidman is funny

 

[KingsFan7824]

I've been complaining about the ice time distribution since before it was cool. That's why I've been saying we need a center so we can roll the lines more evenly.

I think we're in agreement for the most part. I'm just saying this stuff I keep hearing about "the game has changed, it's about speed ect." probably isn't true, but the Kings seem to be buying into it in their drafting philosophy. How many effective lines can you roll? That's what matters not speed.

In 2012, every player the Blues drafted was either 6'2" 6'3" or 6'6". Eight different players. They were doing it in response to us. Now instead of having teams react to us, we react to them. Being reactive usually means your behind the curve.

King and Nolan were actually good in 2012. The 2012 would still be good today.

Eh. Boston did it before the Kings. The Blues were already built in a big defensive way, and actually had a top team in 2012. At least they were smart enough to fire their coach before the Kings did. They weren't the team that struggled to make the playoffs. They even gave up fewer goals than the Kings did. They also had a better record than the Kings in 2014. The Sharks had been built the way they were built for years. The Ducks beat teams physically in 2007, well before the Kings did anything. Were the Kings copying them? The had to "follow" the Hawks in 2014 by adding more offense, or else they wouldn't have outscored the Hawks in the conference final, because they couldn't stop the Hawks from scoring in that series.

If the Kings are going to be good, they'll be good. Who is following who, either way. It's just a story us fans tell ourselves to make everything sound that much more impressive.

Eh, I think it’s okay to be honest with ourselves here: we offered Kovalchuk three years when Boston and SJ only offered two. That’s why he signed with us.

They're all just employees.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Just read on the MTL board that the deal for MaxPax was as follows
20th overall
JAD
Jacob Moverare
2019 2nd if he didn’t sign
2019 or 20 1st if he did ..

So 2-1st rounders
Jaret Anderson-Dolan
Jacob Moverare
For
One season of pouting, playoff choking MaxPac!!! I think we dodged a bullet there

If true, thank god this fell through. This has later era Lombardi desperation similarities written all over it, something I was hoping we were past

 

[KingsFan7824]

If true, thank god this fell through. This has later era Lombardi desperation similarities written all over it, something I was hoping we were past

I don't quite get the desperation criticism. It can be a good or bad trade, but desperate? The whole point of rebuilding is to get a core that you try to win with. They've had their core for years now, and they are basically stuck with it, thanks to handing out retirement contracts as appreciation for winning the Cup, until those contracts run out.

If they try to take a shot at winning today, I don't get why that's desperate. If a particular trade doesn't happen, ok, you hold onto your assets, and try to do something again down the line if the opportunity presents itself. Doing something just to do something, that can be desperate. I'm not sure Sekera, Lucic, or anyone else since then has really fallen into that category. Maybe Bishop. Iginla was done just to do something, but it didn't cost anything.

Lombardi lucked out that Carter was ever even available. The Jackets didn't pay the price to get him, just to trade him a few months later for much, much less in return. Is any move that doesn't include a guy that happens to want out from a particular team, who happens to be in his mid 20's, and who happens to have a decade left on his contract, a move of desperation? If that's the bar, if those are the only parameters a GM can safely make a move in, then 90% of transactions in the league are desperate. Good players with good contracts don't become available or nothing every day.

 

[Statto]

If we were to somehow sign JT I could see Carter moved as part of a Trade to get Panarin. Then throw in Toffoli and a prospect (not GV).

We’d have three Centers, which would mean moving Carter to Wing but we’d be stacked at Wing also. It doesn’t fit for me. Moving Toffoli and Carter would free up needed Cap space. I haven’t done the maths so we may need to move another contract.

Can’t see it though. I’m just posting random speculative thoughts.

 

[deaderhead28]

If we were to somehow sign JT I could see Carter moved as part of a Trade to get Panarin. Then throw in Toffoli and a prospect (not GV).

We’d have three Centers, which would mean moving Carter to Wing but we’d be stacked at Wing also. It doesn’t fit for me. Moving Toffoli and Carter would free up needed Cap space. I haven’t done the maths so we may need to move another contract.

Can’t see it though. I’m just posting random speculative thoughts.

Blakes not trading Carter.You trade Toffoli,Muzzin,Martinez,Anderson Dolan and picks etc.It makes perfect sense to move Carter to the wing and have center depth in case of injuries if Kings brought in another center.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

If we were to somehow sign JT I could see Carter moved as part of a Trade to get Panarin. Then throw in Toffoli and a prospect (not GV).

We’d have three Centers, which would mean moving Carter to Wing but we’d be stacked at Wing also. It doesn’t fit for me. Moving Toffoli and Carter would free up needed Cap space. I haven’t done the maths so we may need to move another contract.

Can’t see it though. I’m just posting random speculative thoughts.

Does the cap not exist?

There’s no way in hell we can afford Tavares let alone Tavares, Panarin, Kovalchuk, and Doughty’s extension.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If true, thank god this fell through. This has later era Lombardi desperation similarities written all over it, something I was hoping we were past

There's likely a reason the only place anyone has seen that rumored return is on the Montreal board.

Now we're going to hear for ages "WE COULD HAVE HAD VILARDI PEARSON AND A 1ST IF PATCHES WOULD HAVE JUST SIGNED THAT EXTENSION WITH LA."

If we were to somehow sign JT I could see Carter moved as part of a Trade to get Panarin. Then throw in Toffoli and a prospect (not GV).

We’d have three Centers, which would mean moving Carter to Wing but we’d be stacked at Wing also. It doesn’t fit for me. Moving Toffoli and Carter would free up needed Cap space. I haven’t done the maths so we may need to move another contract.

Can’t see it though. I’m just posting random speculative thoughts.

Carter...Columbus...

 

[deaderhead28]

If true, thank god this fell through. This has later era Lombardi desperation similarities written all over it, something I was hoping we were past

I still don't believe that's the trade amount,Blakes not that stupid.Patches isn't worth even half of that.So glad that trade if true fell thru.When you trade that much you include bad contracts like a Phanuef.