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And for the millionth time, Vilardi simply was not available to MTL in any deal involving patches.
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Raccoon Jesus
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Don't forget the boxes!!!
Purcell on line 1!
I think he'll get it as UFA. I'm expecting a big year from him. I'm also glad it won't be us.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
My god.
I can't wait to drop that tweet in every "MTL steals LA player" thread till kingdom come.
deaderhead28
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Or you could just hop into a time machine and draft all the stars and build a continuous and nonstop Stanley Cup team to date
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deaderhead28
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That's a clear no.Plus Kings need to move salary to rework the future.Go out and get Skinner or Panarin,lol at Vanek or Nash.
deaderhead28
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You may feel Patches is worth 8x8 but Blake and many other don't.Then you give up assets on top of it,clear pass on Patches.Someone will over pay to get Patches and he'll get his deal eventually.
No, I wouldn't pay him 8 x 8, but not for the reasons that he's a "mid" tier player, thats asinine. 8 x 8 is too much for his age, but he will get it somewhere, but the asinine reasonings of, "coming off a 37 point season" "hes a mid tier player" is just what i said, asinine, it discounts his STEADY, CONSISTENT body of work....
I agree, one season should not allow him to lose all the credibility he has built up
I believe people are making the assumption that he will be a mid-tier player soon after that new contract kicks in, as we have seen with many players who hit that mark and start the decline..its the same reason you don’t wanna pay him 8 x 8
And by saying mid-tier, you’re not discounting completely…perhaps is he upper mid-tier, all depends how many tiers you have
AlphaBravo
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Yeah, I agree with you that comments like that are nonsense. Pachs is a very talented top 6 forward and has shown the ability to score 30 goals consistently. But I would not pay him $8 million. I think the $8 million+ level is for elite players in my book, which Paches is not. Paches is worth between $6-$7 million based on the market, but even if he is worth that, I wouldn't want to pay that cap hit for 7 or 8 years. I would rather pay that money to a young player coming off an entry contract.
Also, if the Kings were open to paying $7 million + for a long term contract, they might as well overpay for a UFA like JVR, and then make the cap work by trading Martinez or other roster players for draft picks and prospects. Getting Paches would require us to not only pay that crazy term and AVV, but also lose assets.
WHOneedsSOX
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Yup, I think anyone who makes $7 million or more better be able to carry his line or his pair for defenseman. Pacioretty is a really good player and would probably score 27-30 with Kopitar but he's not someone the Kings could put on the 3rd line and expect to carry it.
You think the addition of Kopitar to Patches is a NEGATIVE? Because that's what you theoretically said, he's scored 30+ playing by himself....I think if you had an elite player like Kopitar, you would see him at 40+
NHL GM's disagree, only in that, JT Miller just got 5.25 million....let that sink in....you saying 7 million should carry a line, 7 million is going to be the new 2nd liner in about 2 years
SettlementRichie10
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Repeatedly yelling "asinine" into the aether means nothing. If you could actually read, you would see I wrote that Pacioretty is a mid-tier TOP SIX wing. That's not the same as calling him a "mid tier player." He's simply a tier below the top wings in the game RIGHT NOW.
Here's a list of better wingers off the top of my head:
Patrick Kane
Artemi Panarin
Taylor Hall
Alex Ovechkin
Johnny Gadreau
Jamie Benn
Nikita Kucherov
Phil Kessel
Blake Wheeler
Jake Vorachek
Alex Radulov
Dave Pastrnak
Patrik Laine
You can be as flippant as you want regarding Pacioretty's 37 point season. It's a fact. Brown's stock fell after his first poor season, as did Kopitar's. You can't clamor about STEADY, CONSISTENT BODY OF WORK and then pretend like the 37 point season doesn't exist. This also ignores his poor playoff performances.
If you think Pacioretty is in the tier above, more power to you. You should be his agent. And you're right; some poor team will give him 8x8 and immensely regret it.
Reclamation Project
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LOL, well, off the top of your head, 13 players....out of 62 possible spots....um, ok, and you say he's mid tier...I guess if your tiers for W's are soft...
And absolutely his 37 point season counts, but it doesn't discount his string of SIX 30 goal seasons, (now one was shortened so it would have to be pro-rated, but was on pace) so if you want to be anal, 5 of 6 seasons 30 goal seasons, you seem to discount....because he was injured, and on a really really bad team...
Poor playoff peformances...again...not true, 7 points in 11 games, NOT POOR, 11 points in 17 games, NOT POOR....
Just amazing...
Rorschach
Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
1 goal in his last 10 playoff games and repeatedly called a ghost by the people that watch him consistently. 1 point in 5 games in the Olympics. 0 points in the World Cup.
Not mid-tier, might be good with Kopitar, and he'll probably get the money, but not sure why you're so combative about him getting 8 million. I think he'll be better if he's not "the guy," but he hasn't proven to be a guy who is better with better teammates (like Kessel who seems to do better away from Crosby/Malkin than with--because he has to have the puck), nor has he proven to be a guy to be better when the games matter most. If we're going to throw 8 million at anyone else, I'm glad it's not going to be him.
Again, a rich man's Toffoli. A finishing piece. Not a central piece as is clear by his track record.
Sol
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The more and more I'm seeing prices, the Kovalchuk signing was a smart solid deal by Blake.
Not combative about him getting 8, he will get it somewhere, and I think it was the right call to NOT give him 8,
I guess I'm "combative" about the asinine attempts to portray him as a regular player, when CLEARLY that's not the case. Pacioretty hasn't proven to be a guy who is better with better teammates, yet, playing with Radulov, scores 35 goals, keep in mind, that's the BEST player he's played with.....IN HIS CAREER.....think about that, that's like watching Kopitar play with Kyle Calder and Matt Johnson ALL CAREER LONG...
He's called a ghost by fanatic Montreal fans who have to have someone to blame at all times, they also have chastised Subban, Price, etc, so take what they say with a HUGE grain of salt...
Plain and simple, he would be a FANTASTIC addition.......at the right price....8 x 8 for LA now, isn't the right price with or without Kovy.....trading Vilardi or a 1st for him, isn't the right price.....but to disparage him because of an injury filled season playing with Paul freaking Byron is just idiotic in my opinion, not when his body of work speaks for itself, and he's one of the most consistent goal scorers since he stepped in the league.
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