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GoldenBearHockey said:
Here's the problem......you can't answer this question...What will Vilardi do for LA Kings in 2018-2019?

We CAN answer this question, what will Panarin do for LA Kings in 2018-2019, Panarin has a track record of success...
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Well, no, we can't. How many players succeed in one environment just to do poorly in the next. Or how many players do poorly in one environment just to do great in the next.

What we DO know is how much Vilardi will cost for the next three years. We know we can afford it. What we don't know is if we can afford Panarin's ask the following few years, given the contracts the Kings are already tied to.

If the Kings had cap space and youth to spare, yes, I'd say go for it. But we can't keep Kovalchuk, Carter, Kopitar, Quick, Doughty, and Brown all making $5-10 million, with Pearson and Toffoli making just a shade under that, AND keep Panarin. Not in a cap league.

Nobody is calling Vilardi a savior or better than Panarin. People are merely saying he is the best cost controlled asset the Kings have, and cannot afford to give up given their cap situation.
 
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KINGS17 said:
I don't think the Kings are back, but obviously Luc and Rob don't think they ever went away. In the minds of Kings management the Kings have been contenders from 2014 up until this point. It's obvious they are going to ride this rocket right into the ground, just like Slim Pickens.

The Kings are probably already one of the most top heavy rosters in the NHL, might as well just keep doing it until it implodes. That's the mindset here now.
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I totally get it and the Kovy signing guarantees they have to be all in, within reason. Can't do a 35+ deal like that and then just sit around.

They doesn't mean they are going to go all in on a potential rental at the expense of their best cost-controlled asset(s). If it's true they weren't going to trade 20OA unless their skirts were blown over their heads, they aren't moving Vilardi for an impending UFA.
 
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lexlavender said:
A decent number of teams don't have his rights. We are the sole holders.
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If the Kings want him and don't give him what he wants then he might just stay in the KHL for another year and come back next year as a UFA.

If the Kings don't want him then there will be a bidding war to acquire him which would include teams trying to negotiate a contract with him.
 
KINGS17 said:
The Kings are probably already one of the most top heavy rosters in the NHL, might as well just keep doing it until it implodes. That's the mindset here now.
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And I'm okay with that as long as they don't trade a picks, prospects or RFA-age players. (With a few exceptions).
 
BigKing said:
I totally get it and the Kovy signing guarantees they have to be all in, within reason. Can't do a 35+ deal like that and then just sit around.

They doesn't mean they are going to go all in on a potential rental at the expense of their best cost-controlled asset(s). If it's true they weren't going to trade 20OA unless their skirts were blown over their heads, they aren't moving Vilardi for an impending UFA.
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I wouldn't move Vilardi for a pending UFA. I think it's insane the Kings are even considering Pacioretty unless the asking price is coming way down.
 
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johnjm22 said:
And I'm okay with that as long as they don't trade a picks, prospects or RFA-age players. (With a few exceptions).
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I don't think Blake wants to move any cost controlled assets. That's why we now have Kovalchuk instead of Skinner.
 
King'sPawn said:
Well, no, we can't. How many players succeed in one environment just to do poorly in the next. Or how many players do poorly in one environment just to do great in the next.

What we DO know is how much Vilardi will cost for the next three years. We know we can afford it. What we don't know is if we can afford Panarin's ask the following few years, given the contracts the Kings are already tied to.

If the Kings had cap space and youth to spare, yes, I'd say go for it. But we can't keep Kovalchuk, Carter, Kopitar, Quick, Doughty, and Brown all making $5-10 million, with Pearson and Toffoli making just a shade under that, AND keep Panarin. Not in a cap league.

Nobody is calling Vilardi a savior or better than Panarin. People are merely saying he is the best cost controlled asset the Kings have, and cannot afford to give up given their cap situation.
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If you are just speaking cap wise...yes, agreed. But Panarin is a dynamic talent, where if you have to trade a Toffoli to make it work, bye. Trade a Martinez, bye. Trade a Pearson, bye.

It doesn't matter how much Vilardi costs if he doesn't produce.....now he might be produce, but he might not....weighing decisions based on cap and not production is not a good thing.
 
KINGS17 said:
I don't think Blake wants to move any cost controlled assets. That's why we now have Kovalchuk instead of Skinner.
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It's also why you won't see Panarin, all the talk about him coming is wishful thinking....ie, could it be done...yes, with moves, will it, not a snowballs chance in hell.
 
KINGS17 said:
I wouldn't move Vilardi for a pending UFA. I think it's insane the Kings are even considering Pacioretty unless the asking price is coming way down.
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Well I would assume any trade for Pacioretty, Skinner, or Panarin (unlikely since we've heard nothing about a trade for him) would require that player to come with an extension. Isn't that basically what Friedman wrote about Pacioretty in regards to a Kings trade?
 
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WHOneedsSOX said:
Well I would assume any trade for Pacioretty, Skinner, or Panarin (unlikely since we've heard nothing about a trade for him) would require that player to come with an extension. Isn't that basically what Friedman wrote about Pacioretty in regards to a Kings trade?
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You're right, the Pacioretty discussions did include an agreement on the new contract. My bad. I'm guessing the term and the cap hit were too much for Blake to stomach.
 
Vilardi in my mind is unavailable even for Panarin.

Muzzin, Toffoli, conditional pick? Sure. Anything more than that is too rich for our blood or opens up MORE holes in various places.

He's a gamebreaker and maybe well worth it, but not willing to throw away Vilardi.


WHOneedsSOX said:
Well I would assume any trade for Pacioretty, Skinner, or Panarin (unlikely since we've heard nothing about a trade for him) would require
that player to come with an extension. Isn't that basically what Friedman wrote about Pacioretty in regards to a Kings trade?
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That was the report, yeah, that Blake didn't cave to his demands, and that Patches is looking to cash in since he didn't on his last one.
 
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You have to trade Muzzin over Martinez. It makes no sense in terms of asset management, productivity and cap to keep Muzzin instead. The extra year locked in at 4 million is huge and Martinez is simply flat out playing better hockey than Muzzin right now.
 
I think even if Voynov went back to the KHL for a year and then tried again in the NHL, the kings would still hold his rights. The Devils owned Kovalchuk's rights until he was 35. Kovalchuk "retired" and I think I read someone that Voynov technically did the same.

Panarin would cost 2 mid range contracts just to afford his next contract. As it is without him, Kempe, Iafallo, and Brickley all need RFA contracts next summer. To sign them, at least one of the mid range contracts has to go.
 
CowMix said:
You have to trade Muzzin over Martinez. It makes no sense productivity or cap wise to keep Muzzin instead.
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Long-term cap wise it makes it a bit easier to trade Muzzin but productivity, Muzzin outscored Martinez in 3 out of the last 4 seasons. Of course Martinez was hurt that one season but still. Muzzin is the far better player.
 
WHOneedsSOX said:
Long-term cap wise it makes it a bit easier to trade Muzzin but productivity, Muzzin outscored Martinez in 3 out of the last 4 seasons. Of course Martinez was hurt that one season but still. Muzzin is the far better player.
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I disagree maybe years ago he was but he is not right now. Muzzin is constantly getting scored on, I like my defense to primarily be good at keeping the puck out of the net. If all you care about is offense you can play LaDue more minutes or rely on Phaneuf to make up the defensman offensive production.
 
WHOneedsSOX said:
Didn't the Kings kinda do that with Gaborik? No official contract with signed but they talked to his agent about the possibility of him re-signing.
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I can't say I remember. It sounds right, but still, would that have been signing with Columbus and then traded, or signing with the Kings right after the deal? People talk about sign and trades, but I don't recall any actually happening. It happens in the NBA because of however the CBA and contracts are done, but if it were possible and advantageous to NHL teams to do it, I think it would've been done by now. That's if it hasn't been done. I can't think of when it might've off the top of my head.

CowMix said:
If you are not a team that spends to the cap I would think it would be worth it to get an elite young talent. Like all those teams that trade for LTIR contracts for players that will never play again. Not sure if CBJ is one of those teams though.
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But those teams can clear that LTIR cap space if they need to. If it were possible for Cbus to sign Panarin and then trade him while retaining to get a better deal, that dead cap isn't going anywhere for the duration of his contract. That's not the same as LTIR guys.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
But those teams can clear that LTIR cap space if they need to. If it were possible for Cbus to sign Panarin and then trade him while retaining to get a better deal, that dead cap isn't going anywhere for the duration of his contract. That's not the same as LTIR guys.
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My point is though if you are never going to spend to the cap ceiling, having that dead cap doesn't mean much.
 
Sol said:
Considering the defense Vegas got ahead with I think the Kings can make some sacrifices for a monumental gain.
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But look at the depth Vegas had up front. They may not have superstars but they have 4 good 2nd lines. Would the acquisition cost eliminate some of LA's forward "depth" (in quotes cause LA lack this already)?
 
CowMix said:
I disagree maybe years ago he was but he is not right now. Muzzin is constantly getting scored on, I like my defense to primarily be good at keeping the puck out of the net. If all you care about is offense you can play LaDue more minutes or rely on Phaneuf to make up the defensman offensive production.
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Muzzin had the lowest goals against per 60 on the team for d-men, and had the best gf% as well.

He also had softer minutes this year, but your comment isn't accurate.
 
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