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frontsfan67
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Didn’t think this thread would have 3 pages this fast LOL!
I love it. Everybody knows Schaefer is the best player right now but teams also could be looking at what they need the next 5-10 years as well. Whoever is picking top 4 is getting a great player regardless.
Kind of reminds me of the 2022 draft where there was 4 players all pretty close but people mainly thought it be between a C and a W (Wright/Slafkovsky) but Cooley so far is the best one and the best D nemec I haven’t heard of him doing too much. Also another year I can think of is 2014 with Draisaitl, Bennett, Reinhart and Ekblad. 4 players where at the time there wasn’t really a consensus #1.
Will be interesting to see who goes #1 this year and who’s the best of the 4 in 5 years time.
I love it. Everybody knows Schaefer is the best player right now but teams also could be looking at what they need the next 5-10 years as well. Whoever is picking top 4 is getting a great player regardless.
Kind of reminds me of the 2022 draft where there was 4 players all pretty close but people mainly thought it be between a C and a W (Wright/Slafkovsky) but Cooley so far is the best one and the best D nemec I haven’t heard of him doing too much. Also another year I can think of is 2014 with Draisaitl, Bennett, Reinhart and Ekblad. 4 players where at the time there wasn’t really a consensus #1.
Will be interesting to see who goes #1 this year and who’s the best of the 4 in 5 years time.
Bjorn Le
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Bud, you need lectures about objectivity from anyone who will offer it. For your own sake I hope Hagens goes number 1 because I’m worried what you’ll do if he doesn’t.
Agreed. Hagens season shouldn't be frowned upon as much as it has been. I think he would be right around 2 PPG in the OHL. I'm not quite sure he would hit that mark because only 21 players in their DY have put 2+ PPG in OHL history. Guys like Matthew Tkachuk, John Tavares, and Steven Stamkos didn't reach it. I think Hagens numbers would be similar to Martone's (1.90 PPG)
Division III is a lot slower than some of the better teams in CHL. I'd agree that any D1 would dominate any CHL team...but big jump down to DIII.
The college series games are big for NTDP players, but to the colleges they are scrimmages (Michigan even start Seamus Casey at 1C against NTDP). Also, the NTDP are 16- and 17-year old kids playing against 20-24 players.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Speak for yourself. Not everyone thinks a player can prove that in 17 games against juniors when they’ve played nowhere near that level in prior years.
How do you explain that Hagens was scoring at a considerably higher clip than Misa and Martone last year? Now you think he would be behind Misa and at the same rate as Martone?
frontsfan67
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It seems real life scouting services (not just fans) disagree with that point. This is Hagens. 10 have him listed #2. 5 #1 and then button ranked him #4. Also “draft prospects hockey” has Schaefer listed as #9 LOL! So I wouldn’t listen to that one obviously clearly not a credible scouting service.Speak for yourself. Not everyone thinks a player can prove that in 17 games against juniors when they’ve played nowhere near that level in prior years.
Big ones IMO are Bob McKenzie, Mckeens, and obviously NHL central scouting. Guess who is #1 on those 3? Hagens is definitely not the front runner right now but again with me creating this thread it’s to talk about if the right team is picking and needs a centre (imo like Philly) would they select Hagens/Misa over Schaefer (with Martone now being the odd ball out sort of- only see him potentially going #1 if it’s Chicago and they want a guy to play with Bedard.
I’ve watched Hagens and I’ve watched Misa. I prefer Hagens over Misa because Hagens is great defensively too, but I prefer Schaefer probably over Hagens because Schaefers all around skill and speed are hard to come by. Ill take the Makar/Quinn Hughes’ of the world over the Jack Hughes’ of the world any day of the week.
I have personally met all 4 also and Hagens was the nicest followed by Schaefer, then Martone, then a big drop off and Misa. My buddy gets his hockey cards signed and anytime there’s a big draft guy that comes in I come with him and get my photo taken lol.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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You said everyone. Was merely pointing out that not all of us agree with that statement.
I would factor in the older birth year for Hagens.
I'm a big fan of Hagens. Watched him here for the U17 where he played with Eiserman and they absolutely destroyed the competition. But I do factor in the birth years for these players. Schaefer is the youngest high profile prospect in the entire draft, and Misa is a 2007 as well. Hagens being an '06 and sub-6'0" is starting to make people question his projectability on where they'll be next year, fair or not.
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Here are the forwards from the last ten seasons that played on the USNDTP and went to the OHL the next season.
Tyler Boucher - 1.06 PPG on NDTP ----> 0.58 PPG in the OHL
Jeremy Bracco - 1.45 PPG on NDTP ----> 1.31 PPG in the OHL
Kristian Epperson - 0.38 PPG on NDTP ----> 1.37 PPG in the OHL (season not completed)
Liam Gilmartin - 0.70 PPG on NDTP ----> 0.62 PPG in the OHL
Christian Humphreys - 1.12 on NDTP ----> 1.14 PPG in the OHL (season not completed)
Sasha Pastujov - 1.59 PPG on NDTP ----> 1.17 PPG in the OHL
Matthew Tkachuk - 1.46 PPG on NDTP ---> 1.88 PPG in the OHL
Most of their averages stayed the same or went down. Hagens had 1.76 PPG last season. I gave him the benefit of the doubt in this scenario
Andy Dufresne
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Maybe he needed Cole Eisermann worse than we thought. Plus those great breakout passes from Cole Hutson. Shoulda went to BU i guess.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Except Martone is older than Hagens. So how could birthdate be the factor for how Hagens scored at considerably higher clip than him in junior last year?
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
There's nothing homer about my opinions here. I have thought a Canadian was the 1OA in the last 5 drafts. I call it as I see it. Hagens is the best player in the draft and has outplayed every single challenger when they've been in the same settings. If he wasn't, I'd say so.
In fact, the Sharks fans are the fan base pushing the hardest against Hagens because they're self conscious about Celebrini's similar height to Hagens (1 inch difference) and Smith's similar style of play yet inferior level. Thus, they feel he doesn't fit their team, and they've all been railing against Hagens in this section of the website for months. Sounds pretty partisan to me.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Except he rarely played with Cole Eiserman last season. Why are the anti-Hagens people always claiming he's a product of someone? There are people that have been claiming for months that he's a product of Leonard and Perreault, even though he's played on a line with them maybe only half the year and has put up comparable numbers all year.
How about stopping the BS narratives to discredit him? He literally had 9 more points than any player on his team in a 7 game World U18's in April. I don't know how you can be more of a driver than that.
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Shark fans aren't a monolith. I'm uncertain about who I would prefer between Hagens and Misa if they have the chance. If they win the #1 pick, I want them to pick Schaefer because a) he's the best player in the class and b) the Sharks desperately need talented defensemen.
I have zero investment in how the top 4 shake out past wanting to get the best player. I'm not some loser spouting conspiracy theories about how Canada wants to keep the American players down.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Oh yeah, play innocent. You're essentially admitting you have Hagens no higher than 2 and potentially 3.
You are the one that is trying to hide what you really think. You are anti-Hagens. That's what you think. I've answered it for you. Sounds like the "loser" to me in this equation.
You know it's fine to not have Schaefer as your #1 but your conspiracy and at best tone deaf viewing of the circumstances around Schaefer are just a really poor take on your part.
The guy is young and already excelling at the defensive position against top talent in international play and literally tilting the like no other Dman in the OHL in his draft year.
Lots of people would be "down" on Hagens this year if he were any other player as well as many use production as one of their primary discussion points but I seriously wonder where your head is on Schaefer because you are a very knowledgeable poster and he seems to live rent free in your head for some strange reasons and honestly I'm baffled as to why and moderately concerned given the crazy time we live in.
I think that at this point most everyone does.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
If Hagens doesn't go first, based on the data we have (there's still months to play, so you never know, but nothing has changed so far this season and I don't see why it's about to), I will finally join all the European countries in believing the draft is at worst heavily biased towards the Canadians and potentially even just rigged for them because they control all the institutions. Americans can't get a fair shot if Hagens isn't going first above Martone, Schaefer, and Misa.
You might celebrate your country getting the first pick for the 5th year in 6 (and we're already told Canada claimed 2026 and 2027, so it'll be 7 in 8), but you risk living in an echo chamber. All the Canadians risk this. When you've arrived at a situation when the whole world thinks the NHL draft is a completely unfair process, except for Canadian players, we don't have a remotely above board system. We also now have a situation where the Canadian IIHF president has banned one of the two biggest competitors in international hockey from competition.
Banning competitors and rigging the draft in their favor is a good way to turn away interest from outside Canada. Maybe Canada should start playing hockey between provinces in their own echo chamber, and the rest of the world can live in a fair system where everyone is treated the same.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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I literally didn't even mention Schaefer. Stop making everything about Schaefer. You've tried emotional blackmail to try to get people to back him, and now you're assessing he lives rent free in my head when I didn't mention him in my post. If anything lives rent free, it's Schaefer in your head trying to convince me I need to have your opinion.
And none of this has anything to do with the point.
The original inquiry was how Hagens would be no higher in OHL scoring than Martone. It can't be due to birthdate, which was what that poster was referencing in response to my post. Martone is older. There is no "he caught up from being younger" in this equation.
How about some of these people finally admit that Hagens would be ahead of Misa and Martone in PPG if they all played in the same league?
