1OA 2025

[FlyguyOX]

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[frontsfan67]

Didn’t think this thread would have 3 pages this fast LOL!

I love it. Everybody knows Schaefer is the best player right now but teams also could be looking at what they need the next 5-10 years as well. Whoever is picking top 4 is getting a great player regardless.

Kind of reminds me of the 2022 draft where there was 4 players all pretty close but people mainly thought it be between a C and a W (Wright/Slafkovsky) but Cooley so far is the best one and the best D nemec I haven’t heard of him doing too much. Also another year I can think of is 2014 with Draisaitl, Bennett, Reinhart and Ekblad. 4 players where at the time there wasn’t really a consensus #1.

Will be interesting to see who goes #1 this year and who’s the best of the 4 in 5 years time.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Drawing a blank on habs 1D of the future tbh. Lots of good #3D prospects though.

...left side is full of kids with potential; Habs need a Top 6 C...

 

[Bjorn Le]

I don’t need lectures on objectivity from people who show no objectivity in all their posts. I’ve never once seen you criticize the CHL or compliment the NCAA/USHL. You are a Canadian homer. At least admit it, and stop throwing stones from a glass house.

There’s literally no argument the CHL is better than the NCAA, and if you were objective you’d admit it rather than a circular argument.

Bud, you need lectures about objectivity from anyone who will offer it. For your own sake I hope Hagens goes number 1 because I’m worried what you’ll do if he doesn’t.

 

[FlyguyOX]

...left side is full of kids with potential; Habs need a Top 6 C...

Agree, read your post wrong my b.

 

[SarniaStingFan]

I agree there is a plethora of talent in both leagues

It bothers me when I see an 18 year old kid put up over a PPG in the NCAA and its frowned upon. When in reality he would score 2+ ppg in the CHL. Simply put, its a far more difficult level of play

Agreed. Hagens season shouldn't be frowned upon as much as it has been. I think he would be right around 2 PPG in the OHL. I'm not quite sure he would hit that mark because only 21 players in their DY have put 2+ PPG in OHL history. Guys like Matthew Tkachuk, John Tavares, and Steven Stamkos didn't reach it. I think Hagens numbers would be similar to Martone's (1.90 PPG)

 

[Favin]

I am not sure I understand what you are arguing? Do you think Hagens would have better or worse numbers in the OHL than he does in the NCAA?

Answer: He would have more than double the amount of points in the OHL, and would probably create bad habits that come with playing against 16 year old kids.


UMass Lowell would go undefeated in the OHL and would beat some of those teams by double digits consistently.

People truly do not understand the massive difference between OHL and NCAA. I have said it before and I will say it again, there are D3 teams that would win the OHL.

Division III is a lot slower than some of the better teams in CHL. I'd agree that any D1 would dominate any CHL team...but big jump down to DIII.

You make this suggestion all the time, and yet you are suspiciously quiet when it explained to you the U.S. NTDP plays NCAA teams every year and not infrequently beats them (it has struggled this year but the NTDP has one of its weakest teams ever this season). Conversely, the NTDP would be a non-playoff team in the OHL.

You do a disservice to the point you are trying to make that NCAA is a higher level of competition by repeatedly making this factually unsupported statement.

The college series games are big for NTDP players, but to the colleges they are scrimmages (Michigan even start Seamus Casey at 1C against NTDP). Also, the NTDP are 16- and 17-year old kids playing against 20-24 players.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Didn’t think this thread would have 3 pages this fast LOL!

I love it. Everybody knows Schaefer is the best player right now but teams also could be looking at what they need the next 5-10 years as well. Whoever is picking top 4 is getting a great player regardless.

Kind of reminds me of the 2022 draft where there was 4 players all pretty close but people mainly thought it be between a C and a W (Wright/Slafkovsky) but Cooley so far is the best one and the best D nemec I haven’t heard of him doing too much. Also another year I can think of is 2014 with Draisaitl, Bennett, Reinhart and Ekblad. 4 players where at the time there wasn’t really a consensus #1.

Will be interesting to see who goes #1 this year and who’s the best of the 4 in 5 years time.

Speak for yourself. Not everyone thinks a player can prove that in 17 games against juniors when they’ve played nowhere near that level in prior years.

Agreed. Hagens season shouldn't be frowned upon as much as it has been. I think he would be right around 2 PPG in the OHL. I'm not quite sure he would hit that mark because only 21 players in their DY have put 2+ PPG in OHL history. Guys like Matthew Tkachuk, John Tavares, and Steven Stamkos didn't reach it. I think Hagens numbers would be similar to Martone's (1.90 PPG)

How do you explain that Hagens was scoring at a considerably higher clip than Misa and Martone last year? Now you think he would be behind Misa and at the same rate as Martone?

 

[frontsfan67]

Speak for yourself. Not everyone thinks a player can prove that in 17 games against juniors when they’ve played nowhere near that level in prior years.

It seems real life scouting services (not just fans) disagree with that point. This is Hagens. 10 have him listed #2. 5 #1 and then button ranked him #4. Also “draft prospects hockey” has Schaefer listed as #9 LOL! So I wouldn’t listen to that one obviously clearly not a credible scouting service.

Big ones IMO are Bob McKenzie, Mckeens, and obviously NHL central scouting. Guess who is #1 on those 3? Hagens is definitely not the front runner right now but again with me creating this thread it’s to talk about if the right team is picking and needs a centre (imo like Philly) would they select Hagens/Misa over Schaefer (with Martone now being the odd ball out sort of- only see him potentially going #1 if it’s Chicago and they want a guy to play with Bedard.

I’ve watched Hagens and I’ve watched Misa. I prefer Hagens over Misa because Hagens is great defensively too, but I prefer Schaefer probably over Hagens because Schaefers all around skill and speed are hard to come by. Ill take the Makar/Quinn Hughes’ of the world over the Jack Hughes’ of the world any day of the week.

I have personally met all 4 also and Hagens was the nicest followed by Schaefer, then Martone, then a big drop off and Misa. My buddy gets his hockey cards signed and anytime there’s a big draft guy that comes in I come with him and get my photo taken lol.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

It seems real life scouting services (not just fans) disagree with that point. This is Hagens. 10 have him listed #2. 5 #1 and then button ranked him #4. Also “draft prospects hockey” has Schaefer listed as #9 LOL! So I wouldn’t listen to that one obviously clearly not a credible scouting service.

Big ones IMO are Bob McKenzie, Mckeens, and obviously NHL central scouting. Guess who is #1 on those 3? Hagens is definitely not the front runner right now but again with me creating this thread it’s to talk about if the right team is picking and needs a centre (imo like Philly) would they select Hagens/Misa over Schaefer (with Martone now being the odd ball out sort of- only see him potentially going #1 if it’s Chicago and they want a guy to play with Bedard.

I’ve watched Hagens and I’ve watched Misa. I prefer Hagens over Misa because Hagens is great defensively too, but I prefer Schaefer probably over Hagens because #1 RHD with Schaefers all around skill and speed are hard to come by. Ill take the Makar/Quinn Hughes’ of the world over the Jack Hughes’ of the world any day of the week.

I have personally met all 4 also and Hagens was the nicest followed by Schaefer, then Martone, then a big drop off and Misa. My buddy gets his hockey cards signed and anytime there’s a big draft guy that comes in I come with him and get my photo taken lol.

Damn, didn't know Schaefer was ambidextrous.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It seems real life scouting services (not just fans) disagree with that point. This is Hagens. 10 have him listed #2. 5 #1 and then button ranked him #4. Also “draft prospects hockey” has Schaefer listed as #9 LOL! So I wouldn’t listen to that one obviously clearly not a credible scouting service.

Big ones IMO are Bob McKenzie, Mckeens, and obviously NHL central scouting. Guess who is #1 on those 3? Hagens is definitely not the front runner right now but again with me creating this thread it’s to talk about if the right team is picking and needs a centre (imo like Philly) would they select Hagens/Misa over Schaefer (with Martone now being the odd ball out sort of- only see him potentially going #1 if it’s Chicago and they want a guy to play with Bedard.

I’ve watched Hagens and I’ve watched Misa. I prefer Hagens over Misa because Hagens is great defensively too, but I prefer Schaefer probably over Hagens because #1 RHD with Schaefers all around skill and speed are hard to come by. Ill take the Makar/Quinn Hughes’ of the world over the Jack Hughes’ of the world any day of the week.

I have personally met all 4 also and Hagens was the nicest followed by Schaefer, then Martone, then a big drop off and Misa. My buddy gets his hockey cards signed and anytime there’s a big draft guy that comes in I come with him and get my photo taken lol.

You said everyone. Was merely pointing out that not all of us agree with that statement.

 

[Dempsey]

How do you explain that Hagens was scoring at a considerably higher clip than Misa and Martone last year? Now you think he would be behind Misa and at the same rate as Martone?

I would factor in the older birth year for Hagens.

I'm a big fan of Hagens. Watched him here for the U17 where he played with Eiserman and they absolutely destroyed the competition. But I do factor in the birth years for these players. Schaefer is the youngest high profile prospect in the entire draft, and Misa is a 2007 as well. Hagens being an '06 and sub-6'0" is starting to make people question his projectability on where they'll be next year, fair or not.

 

[Star Platinum]

You said everyone. Was merely pointing out that not all of us agree with that statement.

Your opinion is discounted due to ridiculous homerism

 

[SarniaStingFan]

How do you explain that Hagens was scoring at a considerably higher clip than Misa and Martone last year? Now you think he would be behind Misa and at the same rate as Martone?

Here are the forwards from the last ten seasons that played on the USNDTP and went to the OHL the next season.

Tyler Boucher - 1.06 PPG on NDTP ----> 0.58 PPG in the OHL

Jeremy Bracco - 1.45 PPG on NDTP ----> 1.31 PPG in the OHL

Kristian Epperson - 0.38 PPG on NDTP ----> 1.37 PPG in the OHL (season not completed)

Liam Gilmartin - 0.70 PPG on NDTP ----> 0.62 PPG in the OHL

Christian Humphreys - 1.12 on NDTP ----> 1.14 PPG in the OHL (season not completed)

Sasha Pastujov - 1.59 PPG on NDTP ----> 1.17 PPG in the OHL

Matthew Tkachuk - 1.46 PPG on NDTP ---> 1.88 PPG in the OHL

Most of their averages stayed the same or went down. Hagens had 1.76 PPG last season. I gave him the benefit of the doubt in this scenario

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Speak for yourself. Not everyone thinks a player can prove that in 17 games against juniors when they’ve played nowhere near that level in prior years.


How do you explain that Hagens was scoring at a considerably higher clip than Misa and Martone last year? Now you think he would be behind Misa and at the same rate as Martone?

Maybe he needed Cole Eisermann worse than we thought. Plus those great breakout passes from Cole Hutson. Shoulda went to BU i guess.