Rumor: 2018-19 Kings News/Rumors/Tidbits
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fsanford
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I think after he got paid, at least early on it seems like his head is separated from his hands and legs
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[edit] Re-posted this in the shoot Stevens in the Sun thread where it fits better.
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Little Psycho
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Pessimism aside, this would have to be close to what Nylander is worth no?
Yep, question is, can you do it, and pay Nylander the 5-6M that he wants, keep in mind I have NO idea what he's asking for, but he's a player the Kings need, I'd even go so far as throwing in a pick or a prospect to get it done etc.
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Few players at the age of 21 have had 2, 60 point seasons. (he turned 22 in May) It's funny that many thought Kovalchuk was not the greatest of pickups and were worried about
how good he would be and he's been fabulous. Sure, 2 years from now, the level will dropoff, but all elite players get an extra yr or 2 on their contracts. The same will be with Kopi and
Drew, so you can't look at Kovy that way....with Carter probably not being a force any longer, but playing as good as you can expect, given all his injuries he's had and being 34 ...I think
you absolutley try to get a player of Nylander's calibre. Leafs need D. I mean, Hainsey is 37. And after Morgan and Gardiner, it's not a great corp. Zaitsev is decent. Dermott don't know
much about. For as much as many are not thrilled with Muzzin's play, he's good and he has value and his cap hit is good and 1 year left on it. Would need a substantial salary going there.
The Muzzin + Toffoli is not a bad offer. Don't think they could take 2 salaries like that, though. If they wanted Muzzin, they would also probably ask for TWO of: Kupari, JAD Clague, Akil
Thomas, Brickley, Ladue.
I imagine he is going to get Leon D money around $8M a year. Toffoli and Muzzin's salaries would was out, but could leave a hole on D. I think Nylander's skill is worth trying to fill that hole by trading Pearson or internally. The big issue would be if a D-man got injured it would cripple LA.
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And that's the hard cap. For this season it would be fine for the Leafs, outside of a better offer for Nylander, but they would have to trade Toffoli or Muzzin for less before July 1st. $8.6m for 19-20 is just too much for them. That's why Nylander has been such a headache. The Kings need all the cheap young guys they can get, because there's few ways to open up any cap space. They long missed their best chance to trade anyone for value. Maybe if Lombardi had been fired sooner. Blake already got rid of Gaborik. Not for value, or opening up cap, but he didn't have an emotional tie to him. Maybe he would've traded Carter a couple years ago. Probably not, but maybe.
Everyone is looking for the same thing in a hard cap world. It makes trading tough. You have to have a GM like Lombardi that discounts the future at some point, and then something can budge. Without that, you have two GM's that sit there and both of them want cheap young players and extra cap space. Or, you get an owner like Melnyk, but there aren't too many of them when you must spend X amount.
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me too...I didn;t say I would give up 2 of those prospects. I am just thinking that's the asking...asking always starts off by asking for too much.
Dermott is a solid top 4, if they want Muzzin and two of those, bye LaDue, bye Thomas/Clague/JAD, pick one, you give one of those up for Nylander any day of the week and twice on Sunday
This is where a 3 team trade like the Seas pulled off for M.Douche needs to happen and for us to land Panarin..
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Panarin would be great but I'd be looking into Duchene, Nylander, T. Johnson.
One of those 3 guys could take over the 2nd line Center spot and let Carter move to wing.
Iafallo--Kopitar--Kovy
Kempe--Trade--Carter
Pearson/Brown--Amadio--Toffoli/Brodzinski
Wagner--JAD/Vilardi--Lewis
Martinez+Toffoli or Muzzin+Pearson for Duchenne/Nylander
T. Johnson would cost less
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For now, lines need to be changed. The 3 best catalysts, for creating offense are arguably: Kopitar, Kovalchuk and Iafallo and they're all on the same line.
They have chemistry and are playing great, but I would move Iafallo off. After Kovalchuk signed, he said he never played with a player as good as Kopitar,
that level of a linemate. That's crazy, but probably true. Atlanta and NJ had Heatley and Parise - maybe they didn;t play together a lot? Point is, Kopi
and Kovalchuk have good chemistry and are playing great together. The 3rd one on the line can be about anyone that has adequate talent to play with them.
Also - Jeff Carter has always been the best player on his line and could carry it. Now at 34, and lots of injuries, why not put him RW and Kovy back to LW and
Kopitar C. Carter would be 3rd best on that line and could sleepwalk on that line and score 30 goals. Seriously. Defense has their hands full with Kovy and Kopi and
Carter can still play and score. He may have more room than ever before. Not going to write what other lines would be, but I like this idea. Iafallo could make line 2 or 3
better, creating more offense where it's needed.
They have chemistry and are playing great, but I would move Iafallo off. After Kovalchuk signed, he said he never played with a player as good as Kopitar,
that level of a linemate. That's crazy, but probably true. Atlanta and NJ had Heatley and Parise - maybe they didn;t play together a lot? Point is, Kopi
and Kovalchuk have good chemistry and are playing great together. The 3rd one on the line can be about anyone that has adequate talent to play with them.
Also - Jeff Carter has always been the best player on his line and could carry it. Now at 34, and lots of injuries, why not put him RW and Kovy back to LW and
Kopitar C. Carter would be 3rd best on that line and could sleepwalk on that line and score 30 goals. Seriously. Defense has their hands full with Kovy and Kopi and
Carter can still play and score. He may have more room than ever before. Not going to write what other lines would be, but I like this idea. Iafallo could make line 2 or 3
better, creating more offense where it's needed.
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Until shown otherwise, Ottawa wants less actual cash paid to players, not more. You're also increasing the Leafs cap hit, when the whole point of Nylander is that they can't/don't want to increase the hit for 19-20. Johnson has a NTC, and isn't going to willingly leave TB for here.
There's no get out of jail free card for the Kings. They won, they paid for it, and they're pretty much stuck with what they have. If they suck, they will use the higher pick, and come back with basically the same team because nobody wants the Kings old, expensive, and unproductive players in a hard cap league. If we think Clifford and Lewis suck, we should assume other GM's do too. Don't wait for them to be traded. If we're tired of Toffoli's slow skating and inconsistency, we should assume that other GM's would be too. Their high paying jobs are on the line. GM's may be dumb on July 1st, but that just means a bunch of teams don't have room to add the Kings older and overpaid guys. And at least they're not giving up assets to do so.
The Kings have no expiring contracts. They have nobody trending up, except maybe the young guys, and nobody seems to want to trade them. It's going to be a while before the Kings come out ahead on any major trades again. They might be able to get Panarin in a trade, but they'll have to sign him to a big deal, and then probably get rid of someone else for nothing. Or, lose Panarin for nothing. So it won't be 1 or 2 assets for the sake of argument, it might be 3 or 4, plus even less cap space to play with.
My guess to the whole thing is that we should all be prepared for a long process with the majority of this roster, whether they're a good team or not. Even with Kovalchuk, he has a NMC, and if he's productive in the next 164 games, teams still might not touch that contract for any sort of valuable asset until 2020, and he might not be productive by then.
We see what Blake has done so far. He's gotten some cheap college free agents. He's kept the picks. He moved cap space from one position to another with Gaborik/Phaneuf. We'll never know exactly what may have been done with Pacioretty, but ultimately Kovalchuk was signed giving up no assets. Depending on what the price for Pacioretty would've been, and if the Kings keep wasting seasons, then not getting MP will have ended up being a good move.
I'm expecting more of the same as we've seen post-Lombardi. Or, really since the loss to SJ in 2016. A basic riding out of the big contracts. Doughty wasn't going to be the one Cup guy they didn't sign, so, that was baked in if Doughty wanted to stay. At best, break even in any big trade. Robitaille and Blake will do their jobs in trying to sell whatever they have to try and sell, but they're going to lead a boring rebuilding process. There's no silver bullet to beat the cap. This isn't Lombardi in 2006 with a bunch of UFA's like Roenick, Corvo, and Parrish, or cheaper vets he can trade off over a year like Conroy and Sopel. Toffoli isn't Demitra either. Blake doesn't have that wiggle room.
interesting lines in morning skate. Carter (on wing) with Amadio and JAD, Kempe between Toffoli and Pearson.
Yeah but we all know that's just a smokescreen since Amadio's only gonna get 3 minutes of ice time.
fsanford
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Well Carter has looked pretty bad so 3 minutes might be about right
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I know he made some mistakes last game but he still needs more games under his belt. Keep Thompson in the lineup cos it looks like he's the only one that can win faceoffs right now and Lewis is a good pker and that leaves Clifford with no real purpose imo therefore Wagner should get his spot.
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Brown realized the Kings look so bad that they need him back asap so he got a replacement finger.
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