News Article: 2017 Training Camp & Pre-Season Discussion

[3rd Guy High]

What about lias andersson’s Camp has been sick?

Other than being told he’s nhl ready by him and the ranger pr machine what exactly is it that looks nhl ready? He hasn’t made any plays going back to TCT. Hasn’t scored. Hasn’t produced chances doesn’t skate at an nhler level yet. I mean I don’t see how he’s nhl ready. I like the kid but he’s got a ways to go.

Chytil on the other hand while raw has shown way more nhl skill and talent. As well as size and skating ability. He’s the one that looks like the 7th overall pick to me. Total steal.

Agree 100%. Keeping him around would be a mistake.

 

[Beacon]

I’d send Day back to juniors to plays 25 mins a game.

Why do people view the Juniors as superior to the ECHL? Just because top prospects don't go there. But it's a better league. The players are physically bigger and more experienced. Most have at least some experience in the AHL, some spent many years there. Nearly every prospect puts up worse stats in the ECHL than in the Juniors, even though they're in the ECHL the year after they were in the Juniors, meaning they're more experienced and probably a little better. You can also get called up to the AHL if you do well, whereas in the Juniors, if you're ripping apart the league, you will have to waste time to the end of the year.

 

[Kovalev27]

The echl is not a development league whatsoever. It’s a plugger league.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Yeah, and I commented several times on that this summer. He can become quicker in his skating. The positive news is that I think he has potential to become more explosive. I am not making excuses for him, but I've seen a ton of him already this summer. He just isn't in great shape, and it's not for slacking, he played around 95 games last season with the U20 WJCs, SHL, POs CHL and so forth. Exhibition games. Then combine before draft, rookie camp, WJSS, preseason with Frolunda, Traverse and now camp. It's a helluva schedule, Clarke commented on him being tired in Traverse. He so often takes real shot shifts, 20-25 sec. There is a reason for that. Return him to Sweden ASAP. Let him build up, have a great summer and I think he will be a good top 9 player next season already as a 19 y/o.

I think the pick is looking really good, I don't think I see something others don't, just must have some perspective. Of 30 first round picks, will 4 play in the NHL next season? 3?

If he really has tired legs that would only be a short term issue so that would be a relief for me. I know some nights I feel like I'm skating in mud when I have dead legs. I'm glad some of you guys think he is looking really good. I hope I do as well soon.

As far as playing in 2017 that doesn't really matter to me. I'm not looking for the most ready player for the 2017 season from this draft. I'm hoping for a really good player for the next 5-10 years.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Yeah, I agree with Beacon. Send Day to the ECHL or give him third-pairing minutes in Hartford. I don't see the point of him going back to Juniors

 

[hi]

I think Chytil could play the whole year in the NHL, but Andersson needs more time in the SHL. In my opinion both should be sent back to their respective leagues in Sweden and the Czech Republic. Another year won't hurt them. If you want to give them the 9 games, that is fine. The fact that they made the NHL as 18 year olds could provide them with a confidence boost as they go home for a year to develop.

If they both get the 9 games, then one of them will have to move to the wing because there is only one top-9 center spot open and Hayes on the wing is something that no Rangers fan should have to live through again.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Chytil - Hayes - Zuccarello
Miller - Andersson - Nash
Vesey - Desharnais - Grabner
Fontaine

When Andersson/Chytil are sent home:

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Vesey - Hayes - Zuccarello
Nash - Miller - Grabner
Puempel - Desharnais - Fontaine

I think the Rangers want them to develop as centers so they both can't make the team this season without at least one of them playing on the 4th line. If that is the case then I'd rather have the guy that would be playing 4th line minutes here just go back home and get 1st/2nd line minutes.

If they think that Chytil can handle an 82 game NHL season + potential playoffs then this lineup looks better than the Puempel/Fontaine lineup above

Miller - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Vesey - Hayes - Nash
Kreider - Chytil - Zuccarello
Fontaine - Desharnais - Grabner
Fast/Puempel

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Wow, after reading up on the threads, I wonder if I -- ever -- have disagreed more on the general sentiment at this place. Two extremely negative GDTs in a row and in this thread people are competing with each on who managed to trash our kids the most this summer so that they now shall be entitled to hold the bragging rights since the kids sucked.

I couldn't disagree more with the idea that this camp has been a disaster! I honestly think it's been tremendous, easily the best since 2005. Easily.

Lias Andersson and Fillip Chytil has -- both -- had sick camps. We know one thing after this camp, without single doubt, next year we can slot in Andersson and Chytil into the top 12. And expect them to contribute, not when they are 22-23, but from day one when they are 19 going on 20. If anyone asked me in early June what I would have thought about that -- I would have said hell yeah, couldn't ask for anything more. I don't know what kind of expectations others had.

Neal Pionk has come in and really pushed all competition. This kid hasn't been a super highly touted UFA signing, but he -- today -- look like he might be ready to play in the NHL as a RH PMD!! Sure he is small and he is of course a rookie, but he plays a very smart defensive game too.

Antony DeAngelo has mixed highs with little lows, but I do think that he has proven that if you afford him time and have patient with his development progress, this kid easily become like a Matt Dumba type of D.

Ryan Graves was very good at LD and a little less stellar at RD. But there are like 3-4 Ds in the entire league that has managed to get it to work on the wrong side, there is a reason for it. I don't at all think Graves should be trashed as much as he has been for his little less than stellar showing at RD. I think Graves today could step in and fill Staal's role. He will probably be cut, but IMO because of roster log-jam at LD and not because he really deserved it.

The trashing of Bereglazov has reached new heights even for this place. We signed a young Russian from the KHL who needed a little time to adjust to the NA game (if we listen to what Clarke said), whoho what a disaster that is only the case like 75% of the time.

Vinnie Lettiari has come in and challenged for a spot in the top 12 along with Gabe Fontaine, more or less out of nowhere. I am not sure I see the motor in Lettiari, or really an edge on Fontaine that would help him beat out stiffer competition down the line, but this is still good news. We have had Lars-Erik Sjöberg-award winners who was further away a NHL spot than these two! And many other kids haven't been horrible too. Boo N, Zboro, Day and so forth.

Our farm is supposed to be 29-30 overall or whatever. What was it? All I know is that I can easily see our farm of today produce at least 4 (Chytil, Lias, ADA and Pionk) and likely 5 (someone out of Graves, Shest, Bereglazov, Crawly and co) -- very -- competent NHLers. And I can guarantee you that with that production, we shouldnt be 29-30, probably around top 5-10. If you go back and look at rankings the 5-10 years ago, the results of most doesn't even come close to matching 4-5 very capable NHLers.

I think this has been a great camp!!!

Completely agree, great post.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think Chytil could play the whole year in the NHL, but Andersson needs more time in the SHL. In my opinion both should be sent back to their respective leagues in Sweden and the Czech Republic. Another year won't hurt them. If you want to give them the 9 games, that is fine. The fact that they made the NHL as 18 year olds could provide them with a confidence boost as they go home for a year to develop.

If they both get the 9 games, then one of them will have to move to the wing because there is only one top-9 center spot open and Hayes on the wing is something that no Rangers fan should have to live through again.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Chytil - Hayes - Zuccarello
Miller - Andersson - Nash
Vesey - Desharnais - Grabner
Fontaine

When Andersson/Chytil are sent home:

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Vesey - Hayes - Zuccarello
Nash - Miller - Grabner
Puempel - Desharnais - Fontaine

I think the Rangers want them to develop as centers so they both can't make the team this season without at least one of them playing on the 4th line. If that is the case then I'd rather have the guy that would be playing 4th line minutes here just go back home and get 1st/2nd line minutes.

If they think that Chytil can handle an 82 game NHL season + potential playoffs then this lineup looks better than the Puempel/Fontaine lineup above

Miller - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Vesey - Hayes - Nash
Kreider - Chytil - Zuccarello
Fontaine - Desharnais - Grabner
Fast/Puempel

That team is missing a forward, which is why someone like Chytil could stay. Fontaine's not gonna play in the NHL this season, maybe next season. We'd want Grabner and Fast on the 4th line with Desharnais, so someone like Puempel/Nieves only enters the lineup, if someone is out of the lineup. You don't want those guys taking regular shifts.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That team is missing a forward, which is why someone like Chytil could stay. Fontaine's not gonna play in the NHL this season, maybe next season. We'd want Grabner and Fast on the 4th line with Desharnais, so someone like Puempel/Nieves only enters the lineup, if someone is out of the lineup. You don't want those guys taking regular shifts.

That's quite a hot take for someone who is expected to center our top line

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Yeah, I agree with Beacon. Send Day to the ECHL or give him third-pairing minutes in Hartford. I don't see the point of him going back to Juniors

This, going back to jrs would hurt him because he'd use his physical attributes to get by and not work on in game tactics.

 

[NickyFotiu]

That team is missing a forward, which is why someone like Chytil could stay. Fontaine's not gonna play in the NHL this season, maybe next season. We'd want Grabner and Fast on the 4th line with Desharnais, so someone like Puempel/Nieves only enters the lineup, if someone is out of the lineup. You don't want those guys taking regular shifts.

Why is Grabs on your 4th lines? He has played very well on our 3rd line in both the 2017 reg season and in our playoffs. Shouldn't we keep him there as long as he continues to produce?

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I'd give Chytil and maybe Andersson the 9 games before sending them back. Maybe I'm too conservative but anyone old enough to remember Malholtra knows the dangers of keeping kids that young up and stagnating their offensive development.

 

[haveandare]

I think Andersson definitely should go back after 9 games. Chytil most likely but depends if he tears up those 9 games or not.

Having said that, both are close to being NHLers now, which is very impressive at their ages. Assuming their play this preseason, Chytil's especially, isn't some hot streak mirage, they should both tear up their respective leagues and come back ready for top 9 minutes next year.

 

[eco's bones]

Rangers could keep Chytil or Andersson for the 9 games which should be about right for Jesper Fast to get back in the lineup and then make their decision on whether to send them back to Europe. Kind of an extended view.

I wouldn't send Day to the ECHL but if Hartford has too many D I'd definitely think about sending Gilmour there.

 

[Levitate]

It's tough with what Chytil has shown so far...he could step in and put up 40 points or so if he keeps playing like this. That's fantastic for a barely 18 year old that's not a top 5 pick. Would it wear him down though? Would we see him lagging at the end of the year and pushed down the lineup because of it? You also don't want him focusing so much on learning positioning and defensive assignments that his offense stagnates

On the other hand if he continues to be one of the better forwards in the preseason games and through 9 games of the season...do you take the chance

 

[NYR]

Here are my lines so far and what I'd like to see.

I'm in the minority but one of those blanks won't be filled with the right peg IMO so I'll be changing a few things by the end of PS.

Nash - Miller - Zuccarello
Kreider - Zbad - Buch
Vesey - Hayes - Grabner
?? - Chytil - Fast

McD - ??
Skjei - Shattenkirk
Graves - Smith/ ADA
Staal

Lundqvist
Pavelec

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Why is Grabs on your 4th lines? He has played very well on our 3rd line in both the 2017 reg season and in our playoffs. Shouldn't we keep him there as long as he continues to produce?

He has a career season. If he scored 30 points next season, I think that'll be a good season for him. I don't think you can count on him for anything this season.

 

[NickyFotiu]

He has a career season. If he scored 30 points next season, I think that'll be a good season for him. I don't think you can count on him for anything this season.

He did have a good year last season. I do not think it was his career best although one of them. My question remains why shouldn't Grabs stay on that 3rd line as long as he is producing? If he stops producing we can always move him to the 4th line.

 

[Irishguy42]

 

[Raspewtin]

now's the time where i'd like to see us having something like our legit lines and pairings.

would rather play Pionk. Kampfer sucks ass. There's nothing for him to "prove".

forwards are very interesting though. some regulars + most of the standouts.

 

[Do you want ants]

I don't like seeing Kampfer in our line up. He should be an emergency call up only at this point and we should be using these games to let the true question marks play.

 

[Irishguy42]

At least it'll be an exciting lineup I get to see tomorrow. Wish it was Pionk instead of Kampfer, but close enough. Still get to see our One True Lord Filip Chytil.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I'd much rather have Day be the clear #1 D-man on a Windsor team that's good at developing talent then have him in the ECHL.

 

[kovazub94]

It's tough with what Chytil has shown so far...he could step in and put up 40 points or so if he keeps playing like this. That's fantastic for a barely 18 year old that's not a top 5 pick. Would it wear him down though? Would we see him lagging at the end of the year and pushed down the lineup because of it? You also don't want him focusing so much on learning positioning and defensive assignments that his offense stagnates

On the other hand if he continues to be one of the better forwards in the preseason games and through 9 games of the season...do you take the chance

Chytil's play has been a revelation that I'm going to change my stance on preferring him to go back to his Czech team. I think he's too good for that league already. In his case going to Hartford to play on what seems like a decent AHL level veteran roster and a new coaching might be a good idea. Chytil seems plenty mature for it.

Andersson needs another offseason to be able to be physically really for the speed and grind of the NHL. He can definitely think the game and his skills will continue to improve though it is not what is holding him back right now. He needs another level of explosiveness and another gear to be able to change direction. He should go and have a strong season in SHL, WJC and continue his developmental curve he showed getting to this point.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He did have a good year last season. I do not think it was his career best although one of them. My question remains why shouldn't Grabs stay on that 3rd line as long as he is producing? If he stops producing we can always move him to the 4th line.

Because I'd prioritize ice time for other players instead. Which player goes to the fourth line?