WC: 2017 Team Finland

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illone84

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If the Oilers release him, that most likely means our management has asked for him, which would mean they have some kind of plans for him. Of course, he'd still have to show during the camp that he's not completely dead weight, but at that point his chances would be better than decent.

One would hope they have already thought this out a long time ago. Pulju could be a gamebreaker, and winning gold would do wonders for his confidence. Obviously, he is already confident, but winning the world champs would raise his motivation level through the roof, heading back to NA for the 2017/2018 season.

ps. I'm still wondering what the heck is up with this Armia situation? Why is it such a mystery? What is taking so long for the media to hear about his decision? As mentioned earlier, he was definitely contacted. I'm really amazed not having heard anything yet.
 

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I'm still wondering what the heck is up with this Armia situation? Why is it such a mystery? What is taking so long for the media to hear about his decision? As mentioned earlier, he was definitely contacted. I'm really amazed not having heard anything yet.
Actually, there was just news about Armia. He's willing to come, but he's got some small injuries. He did clear the medical, so it's up to him whether he wants to go or not. "Decision in a few days."
 

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Actually, there was just news about Armia. He's willing to come, but he's got some small injuries. He did clear the medical, so it's up to him whether he wants to go or not. "Decision in a few days."

Nice! Can you pass me any links please. :help:
 

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Could we see a full line from Tappara?

Savinainen-Lajunen-Haapala/Kuusela/Peltola
 

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Could we see a full line from Tappara?

Savinainen-Lajunen-Haapala/Kuusela/Peltola
It's not entirely out of the question, but I wouldn't call it awfully probable either.

I'd say Savinainen and Haapala are quite likely to make it, but for the rest it would probably take some further misfortune with more profilic additions or some good candidates on the camp being underwhelming.
 

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Could we see a full line from Tappara?

Savinainen-Lajunen-Haapala/Kuusela/Peltola

Kuusela has been shadow of his former self, doubt he makes it.

Would be nice to see Peltola but, don't really see a spot for him with Pyörälä and Pihlström already on the team. Could be an option for the extra forward spot.

Savinainen and Haapala should both be on the team if no more NHL forwards come. Savinainen can play on any role and Haapala would a good option for the 2nd PP unit.

Centers are still a mess after Filppula. Toss up between Sallinen, Kemppainen, Koskiranta and Lajunen who makes it, hard to say at this point. I don't really see Aaltonen as center, since he sucks on faceoffs and loses way too many 1vs1 battles because of his size.
 

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I don't really see Aaltonen as center, since he sucks on faceoffs and loses way too many 1vs1 battles because of his size.
Yet Aaltonen has played this entire season in the NT as a center. Unless we get a more profilic option from overseas, he's gonna be our 2C.

So it's quite far from a mess, really. If we disregard any further possible NHL additions (mainly Koivu and/or Lehterä) for now, we have Filppula as 1C, Aaltonen as 2C and any two of those four you mentioned will do as numbers 3 and 4.
 

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It's not entirely out of the question, but I wouldn't call it awfully probable either.

I'd say Savinainen and Haapala are quite likely to make it, but for the rest it would probably take some further misfortune with more profilic additions or some good candidates on the camp being underwhelming.

Peltola and Kuusela are longshots yeah but Lajunen was playing in WHC last year when the center pool had higher quality. His play looks even better than last year but only 3 eht games this season.

Even if it's Xavi, Haapala and Lajunen who get selected I doubt they will play as line because they don't play as line in Tappara either. Their playstyle didn't sync in Liiga and Haapala now has his "own" offensive line. The other guys are dominant all around players at Liiga level and suit for 4th line+pk role at WHC when Haapala needs to be 2/3 line + pp playmaker.

It's a worth of a note that Haapala has only been 5th best from those 5 Tappara elite forwards in the ongoing playoffs.

Kuusela has been shadow of his former self, doubt he makes it.

Kuusela was a mess after coming back from KHL but now in the playoffs he is looking like Kristian Kuusela from last year. But yeah still a longshot.
 

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It's a worth of a note that Haapala has only been 5th best from those 5 Tappara elite forwards in the ongoing playoffs.
But he still hasn't been bad. Him and Savinainen have been most consistently good this season across multiple environments.

Even if the others are doing somewhat better right now in their current environment, it's still no indication that they can translate that same performance to the NT, which is something Haapala and Savinainen have already proven they can do.

Yes, I know you weren't really advocating for them, but I still figured I better note in turn that's there a little more nuance than that.
 

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Lajunen could be a good substitute center in the tournament if someone injures or underperforms. I'd only plant him as 4C though.

Actually, there was just news about Armia. He's willing to come, but he's got some small injuries. He did clear the medical, so it's up to him whether he wants to go or not. "Decision in a few days."

I also read the news. It sounded to me like we are going to wait few days and he will say no, but we will see soon. If his teammate Laine had come, he would too. It must influence his decision a bit.
 

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Lajunen could be a good substitute center in the tournament if someone injures or underperforms. I'd only plant him as 4C though.



I also read the news. It sounded to me like we are going to wait few days and he will say no, but we will see soon. If his teammate Laine had come, he would too. It must influence his decision a bit.

True. Usually when one is eager to come they commit immediately. Anyways, I still have high hopes.
 

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But he still hasn't been bad. Him and Savinainen have been most consistently good this season across multiple environments.

Even if the others are doing somewhat better right now in their current environment, it's still no indication that they can translate that same performance to the NT, which is something Haapala and Savinainen have already proven they can do.

Yes, I know you weren't really advocating for them, but I still figured I better note in turn that's there a little more nuance than that.

Lajunen is WHC winner (2011) and silver medalist (2016). He is now 26 and playing the best season of his career so in my mind he has shown how he can perform at NT level even better than Savinainen or Haapala.

He still might not get selected, and the other 2 do get in, due to different position, different playstyle and because he is the worst offensive player of the three. Thought he will be the 4th/5th center anyways so the offensive side should not matter so much. But the coach should know what he gets from him and how he performs at NT level.

And yeah i wasn't trying to advocate for them but to talk about the distant possibility of having full forward line from same Liiga team playing as a line at WHC. Don't know even if God remembers when was the last time we had that.
 

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Lajunen is WHC winner (2011) and silver medalist (2016). He is now 26 and playing the best season of his career so in my mind he has shown how he can perform at NT level even better than Savinainen or Haapala.
I wasn't actually really talking about Lajunen, since he plays in a different position and is something of a known performer. So let me clarify a bit: It's highly unlikely that Peltola and Kuusela make it before Haapala, even if they seem to be doing better right now.

I also read the news. It sounded to me like we are going to wait few days and he will say no, but we will see soon. If his teammate Laine had come, he would too. It must influence his decision a bit.
Like Teräväinen's decision influenced Aho?

You know, if that's the case, there should be little reason for Armia to hem and haw about it now that Laine already declined. He could just say no and be done with it, no one would bat an eye anymore.

What's far more likely is this: In his heart, Armia wants to go. However, he's not 100%, so there's a voice in his brain telling him he shouldn't risk it. He's taken a timeout to see if those little injuries show signs of improving - and if he can drown out that voice of reason.
 

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Aho-Filppula-Rantanen
Haapala-Aaltonen-Armia
Kiiskinen-Kontiola-Palola
Peltola-Kemppainen-Pihlström

Lepistö-Hietanen
Jaakola-Honka
Ohtamaa-Kukkonen

Lehtonen
Koskinen

*with no stanley cup players.
 

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^Kiiskinen isn't available. And Savinainen belongs to that lineup over Peltola. Otherwise it's not bad.
 

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Any thoughts on Jarno Koskiranta. Looks like he might win the Gagarin cup. Might be a good option as a third line centre?
 

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Well, at least they play in Paris (or do they, Cologne anyone?). Otherwise this might be the lamest WHC for a while. But Paris is always Paris, the city of light, art, cuisine and haute couture. Vive la France. Vive la vie vive la hockey...
 

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Any thoughts on Jarno Koskiranta. Looks like he might win the Gagarin cup. Might be a good option as a third line centre?
We have plenty of good options for bottom-six centres. Apart from Koskiranta, there's at least Kemppainen, T.Sallinen and Lajunen. For the moment, they're all pretty much interchangeable. And Kontiola might still join the mix too.
 

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Would you guys take Lehterä if St louis drops and he's available? What about Donskoi (if SJ drops)?
 

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Would you guys take Lehterä if St louis drops and he's available? What about Donskoi (if SJ drops)?
Sure for both. Well, Lehterä might depend on if we're suddenly swimming with centres (mostly possible if Minny bows out), though some can always be moved to wings. But if no one else would come besides him, he'd easily be the 2C in this squad.

Donskoi no question, even if he's had a bit of slump this season. But I don't think we have to speculate with him, because should he come available, he'll likely decline due to contract issues.
 

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But Paris is always Paris, the city of light, art, cuisine and haute couture.

And the city of incompetent organizing and crappy service. Having been to the EURO2016 last summer, I can't imagine the Germans making such a mess of a major tournament. Luckily the World Championships of hockey is a small event compared to the Euros. Perhaps the French can't mess it up quite as bad.
 
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