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FiLe said:
I must say, all the Marjamäki hate seems like typical Karelia Capper mass hysteria to me.

What exactly are his results? In a tournament that only featured the Big Six national teams we were 6th among them (no one should hold the joke teams against his record, obviously) - which, well, is pretty much where we were ranked before that tournament. And after that, we've lost a bunch of EHT games no one gives a rat's backside about. And even then, we haven't lost all of them.

Thus far, Late has not been a great success, but he has not been a major failure either. In fact, he has pretty much coached our NT to spec. Which may, arguably, not be cutting it since we have a reputation as constant overachievers.

But what does that spell for this tournament? An easy QF spot, as usual, and then a probable exit. But of course, the QF is still a best-of-one, so anything can happen. In any case, anyone who figures we won't even make it out of the group stage is obviously a person not worth talking to.
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If you can't see the reason behind all the hate, [MOD]

Yeah, sure. People tend to dislike new coaches if their performance has been poor, but Marjamäki is just on another level. He doesn't have any authority over his team, many NHL players seem to not give a **** about him and his coaching style is overly analytical.
 
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FiLe said:
I must say, all the Marjamäki hate seems like typical Karelia Capper mass hysteria to me.

What exactly are his results? In a tournament that only featured the Big Six national teams we were 6th among them (no one should hold the joke teams against his record, obviously) - which, well, is pretty much where we were ranked before that tournament. And after that, we've lost a bunch of EHT games no one gives a rat's backside about. And even then, we haven't lost all of them.

Thus far, Late has not been a great success, but he has not been a major failure either. In fact, he has pretty much coached our NT to spec. Which may, arguably, not be cutting it since we have a reputation as constant overachievers.

But what does that spell for this tournament? An easy QF spot, as usual, and then a probable exit. But of course, the QF is still a best-of-one, so anything can happen. In any case, anyone who figures we won't even make it out of the group stage is obviously a person not worth talking to.
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I'd say he has been a failure so far. The team hasn't looked good, there's been nothing going fo them. Even Yle studio has felt depressed.
Like abysmal offense and transition.

Then his lines to start this tourney are a joke as well.
#41 with Rantanen, good way to take advantage of Rants talents.
 
Always good to see Juha Matti "winning culture" Aaltonen in NT jersey.
 
Can't really see how Puljujärvi could be any worse than most of the forwards on the team after Aho, Osala and Filppula.
 
JJTT said:
Can't really see how Puljujärvi could be any worse than most of the forwards on the team after Aho, Osala and Filppula.
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That powerplay and 2 missed empty nets from Puljus one time spot were a reminder why Pulju should play.

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Yet another disappointing game.
Where's the creativity, transition(team speed), offensive pressure? Canada is going to play like Nashville and destroy this team as long as they are able to motivate themselves against a team like this.
 
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How about we try out this?

Savinainen-Aho-Rantanen
Aaltonen-Filppula-Aaltonen
Pyörälä-Kemppainen-Pihlström
Hännikäinen-Lajunen-Osala

Throw in Pulju for the worst under-performer.
 
vaiski said:
How about we try out this?

Savinainen-Aho-Rantanen
Aaltonen-Filppula-Aaltonen
Pyörälä-Kemppainen-Pihlström
Hännikäinen-Lajunen-Osala

Throw in Pulju for the worst under-performer.
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At least Pulju can hit a wide open net with a onetimer unlike Hietanen, JMA or Lajunen..
 
Koijari said:
If you can't see the reason behind all the hate, [MOD]

Yeah, sure. People tend to dislike new coaches if their performance has been poor, but Marjamäki is just on another level. He doesn't have any authority over his team, many NHL players seem to not give a **** about him and his coaching style is overly analytical.
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I still say, hating is pointless over games with little on the line. Those are the games where experimentation is a free action, and some stuff works, some stuff doesn't. And even if there's more of the latter than the former, that still matters none as long as there's mostly of former when they're actually playing a game of some value.

So far, things are going okay. Nothing is lost.

I'd have more tolerance for doomsaying if people practicing it would actually come back if things go better than they expected and own their words. But no. There're a plenty of told-you-so's around if the result is less than satisfactory, but if things actually end up going well, the gloomers are out there partying with the rest, and no one bothers to remind them of their past words.

Btw, I had a serious feeling of deja vu when you described Marjamäki. I heard a lot of awfully similar talk back in 2009-10 when J.Jalonen was taking his first, tentative steps as the Lions' bench boss. Does it really hurt you people so much to give him at least a little time to show him what he's made of, instead of lynching him over games that are - still - practically meaningless?

And oh, that team has seven players from overseas. That fits pretty badly to the narrative of NHLers not giving an asterisk about him. For I remember the days when we were really struggling to have even one or two, and three or four was a luxury. And this was not back in 90s or 80s or somesuch, but scant five years ago. Oh yee of short memories.
 
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It's time for JMA to make room for Puljujärvi. Pulju's turn to show if he can be better. No risk in trying.
 
Next game is against France, and we have a back-to-back vs. the Czechs the next day. It should be a highly logical action to bring Pulju in.
 
Pulju didn't exactly light the world on fire in the AHL. Not even close to PPG. If you forget his draft position he is nothing special right now. In the future that should change but what does it matter during this tournament.
 
I really hope that Puljujärvi gets M.Aaltonen's spot in the 1st line against France. Filppula and Aho had pretty good chemistry today so they should definitely stay together. It would be a dream come true if Puljujärvi comes in and starts delivering right away.
 
Pulju's biggest asset would likely be bringing at least some kind of shooting threat to PP. The sample of course isn't great, but I can see many people being frustrated on that one particular JMA attempt, where a) he was pretty damn slow on taking control of the puck and b) the shot went a mile high.

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In other news, St. Louis' season is on the line tonight. One should never talk about these things before the game is played, but Lehterä would be a nice addition to that lineup. (I'm hoping this is why they chose not to add Sallinen yet.) He hasn't had the best of seasons, but he'd still bring a plenty to that lineup. Pillu wasn't actually abysmal as a centre, but it was still obvious his strengths are elsewhere.

Should Lehterä join, the lineup would probably be something like this:

Aho - Flip - M.Aaltonen
Xavi - Lehterä - Rantanen
Pyörälä - Kemppainen - JMA/Pulju
Hännikäinen - Pillu - Osala

C'mon Pekka, do us a favor.
 
Don Corleone said:
Pulju didn't exactly light the world on fire in the AHL. Not even close to PPG. If you forget his draft position he is nothing special right now. In the future that should change but what does it matter during this tournament.
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Not many ever have as 18 year olds.
 
40oz said:
Not many ever have as 18 year olds.
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True but you kinda want an AHL forward to be able to be near PPG if you expect him to be a difference maker in the WC. Rantanen was dope last year as a rookie in the AHL and barely made any impact at the WC.
 
Don Corleone said:
True but you kinda want an AHL forward to be able to be near PPG if you expect him to be a difference maker in the WC. Rantanen was dope last year as a rookie in the AHL and barely made any impact at the WC.
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Rantanen wasn't dead weight, though. And he was slightly underutilized.

While I see the argument and have hard time not agreeing, in the name of honesty, it does actually look like the chances of having some kid as a difference maker are not so slim as you make it seem. I mean, recent years have given us Laine and Granlund, who definitely were impact players in their debutes as junior agers. And Aho wasn't too shabby last year either.

All of these players are of course their own persons, so it's not some slam-dunk argument of Puljujärvi being an impact player. But in general, the odds still look good enough it at least warrants a try. And I suppose Marjamäki agrees, at least with the trying part, given that he already punched Pulju's pass.
 
Rantanen needs someone to play with. Should put Miro Aaltonen there or try Pulju on other wing and hope for best. Rantanen was good but you can see that he's one of the players who are better suited for small ice. He's pretty much prototypical North-American forward.
 
It's a tricky one to know where to put Rantanen. He could easily have scored at least one goal today, maybe we should be persistent in having him as a joker on the 2nd line.
 
Don Corleone said:
True but you kinda want an AHL forward to be able to be near PPG if you expect him to be a difference maker in the WC. Rantanen was dope last year as a rookie in the AHL and barely made any impact at the WC.
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For the role Rantanen was given he was good.
 
FiLe said:
I still say, hating is pointless over games with little on the line. Those are the games where experimentation is a free action, and some stuff works, some stuff doesn't. And even if there's more of the latter than the former, that still matters none as long as there's mostly of former when they're actually playing a game of some value.

So far, things are going okay. Nothing is lost.

I'd have more tolerance for doomsaying if people practicing it would actually come back if things go better than they expected and own their words. But no. There're a plenty of told-you-so's around if the result is less than satisfactory, but if things actually end up going well, the gloomers are out there partying with the rest, and no one bothers to remind them of their past words.

Btw, I had a serious feeling of deja vu when you described Marjamäki. I heard a lot of awfully similar talk back in 2009-10 when J.Jalonen was taking his first, tentative steps as the Lions' bench boss. Does it really hurt you people so much to give him at least a little time to show him what he's made of, instead of lynching him over games that are - still - practically meaningless?

And oh, that team has seven players from overseas. That fits pretty badly to the narrative of NHLers not giving an asterisk about him. For I remember the days when we were really struggling to have even one or two, and three or four was a luxury. And this was not back in 90s or 80s or somesuch, but scant five years ago. Oh yee of short memories.
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Trust me, I'd be happy to acknowledge that I was wrong and eat my words if Marjamäki suddenly turned the tables. I think Marjamäki should coach until the end of this tournament and only then should it be decided if he should continue or not. I'm only a mere fan but I think he blows and so do the experts.

I always liked J.Jalonen.
 
I don't think Marjamäki will do any changes to the second line. I didn't see that much wrong with it and they did the game winning goal. Things can always get worse when making changes. Don't forget that.
 
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